[Discussion] Admiral vs Yonko

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A persons pride and ego aren't proof of their abilities but if you want to use it that way sure.
isnt that the same though with what shogun said.all what he is said only showed how arrogant he is.doesnt prove anything abt if yonko>admiral.so i think his reply was a perfect counter to let people know that wt someone just says doesnt prove anything at all.specially if that someone is arrogant.and we all know between kizaru and shogun who is the actual arrogant guy considering their personalities which were shown
Do I need to remind that both of them knew that the marines were stalking them and they didn't care?
that point actually favours admirals even more.there were 2 yonkou that were probably going to meet and only one admiral available that time who was kizaru offered himself like it was nothing at all.and yes i say only one was available as akainu cant leave headquarters with reverie going on and as the fleet admiral plus fujitora and ryokugyu both were at mary geoise and kizaru already knew that bt still was like may i go?.so actually that scenario pretty much favours admirals rather than yonkou
 

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Its not pride and ego , i dont see kizaru as arrogant. He knows two yonko alliance is fatal for the WG so he offered up for the task.
Yes it's ego to think he alone can take down 2 Yonko.

isnt that the same though with what shogun said.all what he is said only showed how arrogant he is.doesnt prove anything abt if yonko>admiral.so i think his reply was a perfect counter to let people know that wt someone just says doesnt prove anything at all.specially if that someone is arrogant.and we all know between kizaru and shogun who is the actual arrogant guy considering their personalities which were shown

that point actually favours admirals even more.there were 2 yonkou that were probably going to meet and only one admiral available that time who was kizaru offered himself like it was nothing at all.and yes i say only one was available as akainu cant leave headquarters with reverie going on and as the fleet admiral plus fujitora and ryokugyu both were at mary geoise and kizaru already knew that bt still was like may i go?.so actually that scenario pretty much favours admirals rather than yonkou
If only the Shogun had said it then yes but we got supporting claims through the narration already so it's not simply someone taking too much pride in their skill.

It's like you all forget Kizaru's personality and completely ignore the possibility he offered knowing the pragmatic Akainu wouldn't agree.
 

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2 yonko cant take down the wg
Currently 2Yonko alliance can do a lot of damage which WG can't afford.
I mean there Shichibukai system has collapsed.
They only got Buggy, Boa n Mihawk.
Admirals - Fuji, Green bull, Akainu n Kizaru.
Thats like 5strong guys.
Where's 2Yonko will have atleast 6yonko commanders in total which means they have 8strong guys.
A fight between them will definitely be fatal for WG.
 

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2* strong characters, 1st yonko commander might be strong but they are not in the same tier with admirals and the yonko, not to even talk of the weaker commanders
Yes but the weaker ones can always team up with the stronger ones to stop an Admiral as seen when Vista n Marco team up to stop Akainu.
Or if weaker ones team up with Yonko they can actually beat fujitora pretty easily.
Thats y 2Yonkos can cause massive damage to WG.
 
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Yes but the weaker ones can always team up with the stronger ones to stop an Admiral as seen when Vista n Marco team up to stop Akainu.
Or if weaker ones team up with Yonko they can actually beat fujitora pretty easily.
Thats y 2Yonkos can cause massive damage to WG.
and teh exact same thing could be said about WG forces a tier below the admirals
 

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Currently 2Yonko alliance can do a lot of damage which WG can't afford.
I mean there Shichibukai system has collapsed.
They only got Buggy, Boa n Mihawk.
Admirals - Fuji, Green bull, Akainu n Kizaru.
Thats like 5strong guys.
Where's 2Yonko will have atleast 6yonko commanders in total which means they have 8strong guys.
A fight between them will definitely be fatal for WG.
Fujitora said vegapunk made something that they may not require service of shichibukai.
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2 yonko cant take down the wg
Ya my bad i should have stated it more clearly not WG i was meaning to say Marine HQ got jumbled.
 

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and teh exact same thing could be said about WG forces a tier below the admirals
Whats that tier???
Vice Admirals who did next to nuttin.
Didn't WB allies stopped them?

Fujitora said vegapunk made something that they may not require service of shichibukai..
Even tho i probably dont remember when Fuji said that but its probably Pacifista.
 

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Whats that tier???
Vice Admirals who did next to nuttin.
Didn't WB allies stopped them?
well you have cp 0, you still have kuma, weevil, you have mihawk, and all that is leaving out Kong, the Gorosei, imu and ignoring th epotential for vice admirals to actually be relevant at some point

though im not sure you used enough question marks :D
 

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Yes but the weaker ones can always team up with the stronger ones to stop an Admiral as seen when Vista n Marco team up to stop Akainu.
Or if weaker ones team up with Yonko they can actually beat fujitora pretty easily.
Thats y 2Yonkos can cause massive damage to WG.
Marco and Vista never stopped akainu.

Akainu took on all 16 of Whitebeard's commanders and still won
 

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well you have cp 0, you still have kuma, weevil, you have mihawk, and all that is leaving out Kong, the Gorosei, imu and ignoring th epotential for vice admirals to actually be relevant at some point

though im not sure you used enough question marks :D
Kong, Gorosei, Im never fought.
Even CP0 dont engage straight forward. Don't know why u brought them in this argument lol. Its like u casually throwing names.
Kuma is now a slave of Celestial Dragon which could only mean that he either tried to left or WG know what he was doing at Sabody Arch...
Now to your Vice Admiral point. What potential we talking about?
Smoker's performance was shit at PH arc. At MF VA only fought with fodders n WB allies. You seriously thought a VA can stop a Commander???
I already told u there's only 5strong guys in Marines side n Yonkos have atleast 4strong(2Yonko n there FM) guys n another 4(Rest of the commanders). Which means Admirals won't be able to tag team a Yonko as they will be busy with a Commander as seen with Mihawk clashing with Vista or Akainu whenever going for luffy was facing Marco
This type of war can be fatal for Marines as 1vs1 Kaido can beat a Admiral.
 
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Yes it's ego to think he alone can take down 2 Yonko.

If only the Shogun had said it then yes but we got supporting claims through the narration already so it's not simply someone taking too much pride in their skill.

It's like you all forget Kizaru's personality and completely ignore the possibility he offered knowing the pragmatic Akainu wouldn't agree.
u didnt get the point.marines object was never to stop 2 yonkou at once.wt they always aim for is to stop let them meet together.to do that they only need to intercept 1 yonkou on their way.remember when shanks and wb were to come in contact they only tried to stop shanks as shanks came to wbs territory.and it was mentioned that fleet was destroyed(which is obvious all of the admirals were present on marineford at that time).as for this scenario it big mom who claimed that she will come to wano.remember wt kaido said? "if u come here linlin i will kill u" further implies that it was big mom who was coming to wano to meet with kaido.so marines only need to stop big mom pirates on their way.so kizaru volunteered knowing he was the only one admiral who was left to stop big mom and her crew on their way probably.bt that itself speaks volume of admirals.they simply dnt fear yonkou..

continuing above, that scenario could hv ended in a worst way for marines which even they know it can happen.and that is both yonkou getting meet up with each other.bt here comes the best part akainu stopped kizaru not because of 2 yonkou getting meet up together(he never even mention them out of fear) he only stopped him coz he thought samurai 'the third party' can be strong which marines dont even know the strength of.now i dnt believe for a second that an admiral can take out 2 yonkou.i think both of them are pretty much at same level of strength.so yonkou beating 2 admirals or vice versa is absurd at my point of view.so lets say there were no samurai as the third party,then even though kizaru cant stop 2 yonkou he could hv intercepted them and could hv retreated saftely with minimum damage(can be way more considering wt happens bt definitely alive) if such a worst case to happen.bt with that third party i think the reason akainu refused kizaru's offer because if that worst case were to happen then pretty much akainu thought kizaru wont come back to marineford alive.

btw with what was shown kizaru only has kind of lazy personality.bt shogun was shown as more arrogant prick.so obviously if both of their statements were to take into count then the one with more arrogant nature will obviously be shogun's statement knowing wt kind of a guy he is as shown.when kizaru made that statement he was obviously very serious.its not like kizaru is the type of guy who wouldnt acknowledge opponents strength.we saw him praising weevil and marco at marineford for their strengths.(remember this topic rose again due to the fact that Paaserby post wt shogun said as a confirmation to prove that yonkou>admiral.thats y i insist on shogun's statement and its flaws)
Do I need to remind that both of them knew that the marines were stalking them and they didn't care?
u may seems to forget that both of them made that call knowing the WG was busy with reverie. here u can read it.so no matter wt way u look at it.this scene works on the favour of admirals more than yonkou
 

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You seriously thought a VA can stop a Commander???.
Thats not what i said, i said we can use your argument for both sides and the strongest VAs grouping up could be a nuisance to a 1st commander

Second, if the wg was jnder existential threat why wouldnt cp0 come? You can count “strong” characters all you want, a first mate wont match an admiral, the ithers even less, only the 2nyonko will match them. WB pirates got utterly destroyed and another yonko and another 3 commanders would not have changed much except more destruction and maybe a 2nd admiral would be in about akainus state, doesnt matter how hyped a yonko is atm in anyonko arc, we clearly saw in MF how superior the marines alone were against WBs forces

Have a nice day ??????
 
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u didnt get the point.marines object was never to stop 2 yonkou at once.wt they always aim for is to stop let them meet together.to do that they only need to intercept 1 yonkou on their way.remember when shanks and wb were to come in contact they only tried to stop shanks as shanks came to wbs territory.and it was mentioned that fleet was destroyed(which is obvious all of the admirals were present on marineford at that time).as for this scenario it big mom who claimed that she will come to wano.remember wt kaido said? "if u come here linlin i will kill u" further implies that it was big mom who was coming to wano to meet with kaido.so marines only need to stop big mom pirates on their way.so kizaru volunteered knowing he was the only one admiral who was left to stop big mom and her crew on their way probably.bt that itself speaks volume of admirals.they simply dnt fear yonkou..

continuing above, that scenario could hv ended in a worst way for marines which even they know it can happen.and that is both yonkou getting meet up with each other.bt here comes the best part akainu stopped kizaru not because of 2 yonkou getting meet up together(he never even mention them out of fear) he only stopped him coz he thought samurai 'the third party' can be strong which marines dont even know the strength of.now i dnt believe for a second that an admiral can take out 2 yonkou.i think both of them are pretty much at same level of strength.so yonkou beating 2 admirals or vice versa is absurd at my point of view.so lets say there were no samurai as the third party,then even though kizaru cant stop 2 yonkou he could hv intercepted them and could hv retreated saftely with minimum damage(can be way more considering wt happens bt definitely alive) if such a worst case to happen.bt with that third party i think the reason akainu refused kizaru's offer because if that worst case were to happen then pretty much akainu thought kizaru wont come back to marineford alive.

btw with what was shown kizaru only has kind of lazy personality.bt shogun was shown as more arrogant prick.so obviously if both of their statements were to take into count then the one with more arrogant nature will obviously be shogun's statement knowing wt kind of a guy he is as shown.when kizaru made that statement he was obviously very serious.its not like kizaru is the type of guy who wouldnt acknowledge opponents strength.we saw him praising weevil and marco at marineford for their strengths.(remember this topic rose again due to the fact that Paaserby post wt shogun said as a confirmation to prove that yonkou>admiral.thats y i insist on shogun's statement and its flaws)

u may seems to forget that both of them made that call knowing the WG was busy with reverie. here u can read it.so no matter wt way u look at it.this scene works on the favour of admirals more than yonkou
It's still his ego talking, to think he could take out a Yonko and crew on without other Admirals helping him, especially a yonko said to be the go to bet in 1v1 fights. And your part about Admirals not fearing Yonko is exactly my point of pride/ego.
 

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Thats not what i said, i said we can use your argument for both sides and the strongest VAs grouping up could be a nuisance to a 1st commander
Lol No. VA has never fought any commander n when a guy like Vergo casually solo Smoker, i seriously doubt they pose any threat to commanders who can take a beating from G4.
Second, if the wg was jnder existential threat why wouldnt cp0 come? You can count “strong” characters all you want, a first mate wont match an admiral, the ithers even less, only the 2nyonko will match them. WB pirates got utterly destroyed and another yonko and another 3 commanders would not have changed much except more destruction and maybe a 2nd admiral would be in about akainus state, doesnt matter how hyped a yonko is atm in anyonko arc, we clearly saw in MF how superior the marines alone were against WBs forces

Have a nice day ??????
Why will CP0 come?
They are intelligence organisation.
Wars are fought by soldiers i.e Marines in OPverse
If they were mainstream fighters then they would be present at MF. Its like saying Magellan will also come if 2 Yonkos declare war on WG. Thats not his job.
Secondly we all saw WB vs Adnirals fight. WB wasn't beaten by any Admiral. yes he succumb to his injuries at the end but one needs to remember we are talking about Yonkos now who are hyped with impenetrable skins n stuff.
And unlike WB these yonkos are not sick.
Also Commanders showed skills to stop Admirals n there attacks multiple times.

I m not saying Yonkos will win but its absurd to think the result will be same as MF with only 2admirals at best injured.
 

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Yes it's ego to think he alone can take down 2 Yonko.



If only the Shogun had said it then yes but we got supporting claims through the narration already so it's not simply someone taking too much pride in their skill.

It's like you all forget Kizaru's personality and completely ignore the possibility he offered knowing the pragmatic Akainu wouldn't agree.
Well not exactly , its his duty of an admiral . I will have to read japanese raw because the sentences can be constructed as kizaru is cocky and ego problem . (online translation are usually maybe ill read viz and come back to you. What he actually said )

Kizaru views threat better he even he did not ben beckmann pointed gun at him when red hair pirates outnumbered him. In the end he is admiral so it was his duty to stop two yonkos from meeting each other.

He never said he will take down two of them by himself.
 
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