[Discussion] Admiral vs Yonko

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After what we have seen in the manga so far with Big Mom, and from the devastation we saw Whitebeard create (while sick and dying) in Marineford, is it acceptable at this point to claim that the Yonko are stronger than Admirals 1v1. In all honesty, I think if Big Mom would have went to Marineford in a rage the damage woud have been far greater than Whitebeard, as her power seems more broken than anything we have seen in the series thus far.

If we equate the strength of Big Mom the strength of the other yonko (assuming they are healthy), how do you not conclude that they are stronger than the admirals. Especially knowing that at this point the Admirals havent demonstrated anything as impressive as Big Mom?



 

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Considering that Kaido is hyped to be the strongest thing or beast in the OPverse, well yes, but I don't think that any of the yonko would low or mid diff an admiral like some people believe.
 

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Yonkos having the authority to practically ruling/ owning thier own countries and allowed to do it with little to no resistance from the world government means they are a force nit to be reckon with unless you want to die or want a massive war/causality/ destruction of the land( lava vs ice)
 

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The Yonko Captains are stronger than the Admirals.
IMO Kaido>Shanks>BM/BB>Akainu>Rest.

Ryogoku gets the benifit of doubt but nothing so far suggests that his power is greater than the current Admirals.
 

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Both parties are equal more or less, statements like this can't be any clearer.
, Both at the apex of One Piece. That's the only true objective measure. Past this we start diving into preferences and subjective bs.

Let me have my shot at this subjective bs, If I absolutely had to choose one group over the other I'd probably choose the Admirals, albeit by a slight margin thanks to Kaidou. The Yonkou vary too much with their strengths and weaknesses, you have Big Mom running around mindlessly because she is hungry, imagine facing another top tier with that mental state (and where top tier battles take days shes bound to get cravings) she'd get taken advantage of. Admirals face more strict requirements, there is more parity between Admirals.
 
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Both parties are equal more or less, statements like this can't be any clearer.
, Both at the apex of One Piece. That's the only true objective measure. Past this we start diving into preferences and subjective bs.

Let me have my shot at this subjective bs, If I absolutely had to choose one group over the other I'd probably choose the Admirals, albeit by a slight margin thanks to Kaidou. The Yonkou vary too much with their strengths and weaknesses, you have Big Mom running around mindlessly because she is hungry, imagine facing another top tier with that mental state (and where top tier battles take days shes bound to get cravings) she'd get taken advantage of. Admirals face more strict requirements, there is more parity between Admirals.
The Admirals are second to the Yonko and this was made quite clear at Marineford. Notice how the Admirals are mentioned before the Yonko in both scenarios, assuming they are being referred to in ascending order of power. If u can't beat an admiral u can't beat a yonko. It's like saying if u can't beat a Super Saiyan 1 u definitely can't beat a Super Saiyan 2.
The only way I see an Admiral soloing a Yonko is if they are exploiting some weakness. A healthy Yonko would AT MOST high diff an Admiral IMO.
What notable weaknesses does Kaido have, he is near-invincible and possesses immense physical strength, only thing is his unstable emotions but he showed that he can get his head back on straight when someone pisses him off like the 2 goons did.
Also, trying to take advantage of a mindless like powerhouse Big Mom won't be easy, in fact she isn't completely mindless as she is shown to still be able to hear, process and react to information and situations.
 
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The only thing made apparent in MF was how Whitebeard got bullied by Akainu and the rest of the Admirals. So I dunno why you would even bother bringing Marineford of all things up.

The Admirals are second to the Yonko and this was made quite clear at Marineford. Notice how the Admirals are mentioned before the Yonko in both scenarios, obviously they are being referred to in ascending order of power.
And this folks, is exactly that subjective bs I was speaking of, except maybe even a step further than that lmao.

This guy managed to twist and turn those clear and concise statements into some kind of ranking.
 
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And this folks, is exactly that subjective bs I was speaking of, except maybe even a step further than that lmao.
This guy managed to twist and turn those clear and concise statements into some kind of ranking.
Well, it is common that when listing things to put them in some sort of order, typically ascending(strong,stronger,strongest=shichibukai,admirals,yonko OR 1,2,3=shichibukai,admirals,yonko)
Just sayin'
 

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It is safe to say. Other than Sengoku and Garp, nobody could fight any of the yonko 1v1 and win. As shown. Not to mention nobody stepped to shanks lol
Agreed, it's pretty obvious if you ask me that all Yonkous>>>Admirals when it comes to power. Just look at the three great balance, the Navy and the 7 warlords have to allied themselves against the Yonkou pirates just to keep it even.

The Navy (commodore, rear admirals, vice admirals, and admirals) plus seven powerful pirates (pretimeskip) was necessary to equal four godly pirates known as the yonkou straight from Garp's mouth.
 
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Agreed, it's pretty obvious if you ask me that all Yonkous>>>Admirals when it comes to power. Just look at the three great balance, the Navy and the 7 warlords have to allied themselves against the Yonkou pirates just to keep it even.

The Navy (commodore, rear admirals, vice admirals, and admirals) plus seven powerful pirates (pretimeskip) was necessary to equal four godly pirates known as the yonkou straight from Garp's mouth.
:sigar: I like your style boss lol
 

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I actually think akainu would punch a hole through big meme
I don't think you can you hurt big mom without making her lose consciousness. She killed the leader of Elbaf when she was 7-8 or 9. WB was the strongest man, but that doesn't mean he was the strongest human lol. She has about 1900 kids too (may have exaggerated) Proof imo that she is stronger than WB lmao.
 

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The only thing made apparent in MF was how Whitebeard got bullied by Akainu and the rest of the Admirals. So I dunno why you would even bother bringing Marineford of all things up.



And this folks, is exactly that subjective bs I was speaking of, except maybe even a step further than that lmao.

This guy managed to twist and turn those clear and concise statements into some kind of ranking.
Agreed, it's pretty obvious if you ask me that all Yonkous>>>Admirals when it comes to power. Just look at the three great balance, the Navy and the 7 warlords have to allied themselves against the Yonkou pirates just to keep it even.

The Navy (commodore, rear admirals, vice admirals, and admirals) plus seven powerful pirates (pretimeskip) was necessary to equal four godly pirates known as the yonkou straight from Garp's mouth.
@toshi
Great job at a good Riker impression. Your logic in this topic rivals his. What does BM intellect have to do with anything, she's not brain dead but is overwhelmingly powerful, luffy is dumb as bricks and yet we know he is strong and don't diminish his feats

Also i guess in dressrosa luffy> doffy cuz we don't take injuries into account right like how you do with wb. Also if akainu is super strong why didn't he mid diff an old dying wb. I can't see Kaido or BM performing like that Against that version of wb.

@rikudo
Um dude they are going to say warlords are a failing system so that whole thing doesn't apply. except warlords are essentially a whole yonko crew that allies with the marines. I can't wait till I see the bs excuses for the scan u pulled up.
 

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@toshi
Great job at a good Riker impression. Your logic in this topic rivals his. What does BM intellect have to do with anything, she's not brain dead but is overwhelmingly powerful, luffy is dumb as bricks and yet we know he is strong and don't diminish his feats

Also i guess in dressrosa luffy> doffy cuz we don't take injuries into account right like how you do with wb. Also if akainu is super strong why didn't he mid diff an old dying wb. I can't see Kaido or BM performing like that Against that version of wb.

@rikudo
Um dude they are going to say warlords are a failing system so that whole thing doesn't apply. except warlords are essentially a whole yonko crew that allies with the marines. I can't wait till I see the bs excuses for the scan u pulled up.
The warlords were a failing system after post timeskip, that's why I purposely said pretimeskip to clarify. All other speculation is bs.
 

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The warlords were a failing system after post timeskip, that's why I purposely put pretimeskip so clearly it applies. All other speculation is bs.
They are not useless. They even got a new warlord who is not only strong but is actively hunting wb pirates. To say they should not be considered is an absolute joke. But yes preskip especially there is no argument to be made
 
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I don't think you can you hurt big mom without making her lose consciousness. She killed the leader of Elbaf when she was 7-8 or 9. WB was the strongest man, but that doesn't mean he was the strongest human lol. She has about 1900 kids too (may have exaggerated) Proof imo that she is stronger than WB lmao.
Hmm idk , I think akainu could hurt her. I think the more he failed at it the madder he would get. I think if they fought it would be hilarious even if akainu lost . Could you imagine how raged he'd be, and the insults he would throw at big mom, especially how she looks and how he feels towards pirates already.
 

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They are not completely useless. They even got a new warlord who is not only strong but is actively hunting wb pirates. To say they should not be considered is an absolute joke.
You're trying to tell me that validating Buggy is not an absolute joke? Or how about Law leaving the warlords to carry out his plans to take out Kaidou? All you have is weevil as a retort and even he is questionable at the moment.

Besides Mihawk and Kuma, there is no warlord out there that'll help the navy's cause. Even Doflamingo is out. At least before the end of pretimeskip they only lost 2 warlords to aid the navy's side against the Wb pirates. I mean it's pretty obvious that pretimeskip warlords wipe the floor with the current one.
 
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