[Discussion] Admiral vs Yonko

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Jinbe sent Big Mother Flying, but was unable to bypass Akainu’s intangibility, so this must mean Jinbe is much stronger than a Yonko, but still much weaker than an Admiral.

Which is probably accurate given the humongous gap between the mere Yonko and the mighty Admirals
So Jinbei is stronger than a Yonko now because he pushed BM.
So using your logic Luffy is at Admiral lvl as he has already pushed Fujitora.
But since he lost to Kaido then that means Kaido > Admirals.
 
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So Jinbei is stronger than a Yonko now because he pushed BM.
So using your logic Luffy is at Admiral lvl as he has already pushed Fujitora.
But since he lost to Kaido then that means Kaido > Admirals.
Of course not,

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Kaido is nowhere close to the mighty Admirals in power as demonstrated by Eichirro Oda’s canon manga.

Also,

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Fujitora’s rubble feat is leagues beyond what the extremely disappointing Big Mother has shown on panel.

The Entire Grand Fleet were sure they’d die if they fought Fujitora, while the weaker Straw Hat Pirates were enough to overwhelm Big Mother.
 

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Of course not,

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Kaido is nowhere close to the mighty Admirals in power as demonstrated by Eichirro Oda’s canon manga.

Also,

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Fujitora’s rubble feat is leagues beyond what the extremely disappointing Big Mother has shown on panel.

The Entire Grand Fleet were sure they’d die if they fought Fujitora, while the weaker Straw Hat Pirates were enough to overwhelm Big Mother.
See you yourself just proved Yonkos> Admirals by saying Jinbei is at Yonkos lvl with that stupid push theory.
That panel of Fujitora would do nothing to BM who casually destroyed those bazooka missile with her screams.
 
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See you yourself just proved Yonkos> Admirals by saying Jinbei is at Yonkos lvl with that stupid push theory.
That panel of Fujitora would do nothing to BM who casually destroyed those bazooka missile with her screams.
My friend, you can’t possibly be comparing bazookas to a country hitting you in the face, can you?

Fujitora was mathematically lifting enough rubble to wipe the country of Dressrosa off of the map, and you think Big Mom surviving bazookas is comparable?


I must say, I debated not responding to you given our prior discussion, but never did I imagine you would be this confused. Fujitora would kill Mother Big with minimum difficulty.
 

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My friend, you can’t possibly be comparing bazookas to a country hitting you in the face, can you?

Fujitora was mathematically lifting enough rubble to wipe the country of Dressrosa off of the map, and you think Big Mom surviving bazookas is comparable?

I must say, I debated not responding to you given our prior discussion, but never did I imagine you would be this confused. Fujitora would kill Mother Big with minimum difficulty.
Nice BS as usual.
BM took coup de burst to her face n wasn't at all affected by it.
She took a lighting hit from Zeus n still have no effect on her.
Even sea water didn't affected her.


And u think rubble will kill her. Nice joke.
Fujitora cant even kill Sabo forget about BM.
 
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Admirals have already walked off first mates with 0 issue. It’s the strongest Emperor who was beaten out of the sky by attacks that First Mates easily outclass.

Big Mother has never been forced to tank First Mate Level moves. In fact she barely held it together against Jinbe who is far from the first mate tier of power.

Admirals are much more durable than Yonko.
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Defensively

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The Admirals greatly outclass the ones known as the Four Emperors

:lol Akainu didn't whoop an old sick yonkou, just look at how he got dealt with. Prime Whitebeard would kill Akainu by pissing on him:
Stops Great Eruption Magma fragments by blowing it out with his breath. He didn't even need Haki, only his breath.
Breaks Magma fist
Side swipe Akainu's Red Dog after complaining about Whitebeard not paying attention to him
Akainu complaining about his swings destroying towns
Akainu cowardly attacks Whitbeard once he fell coughing from internal bleeding in which Akainu said it was because of old age:
After that cheap shot attack he stands back and hide behind Vice Admirals to take the counterattack on his behalf (Whitebeard scowls at them):
Stops Kizaru from interfering with Luffy running up to Ace.
Whitebeard in a fit of rage blind-side smash Akainu's face to the ground.
Akainu turns around to sucker punch Whitebeard but Whitebeard tanks it and smashes Akainu's body again from the side.
Akainu following on the ground in agony falling head first coughing blood, defeated.
I want you to know how defeat looks like so I'll post it again:
Couldn't even get up on his feet.

Next time we see him he cowardly waits until Blackbeard and his crew kills Whitebeard, then he appears after being dropped by Whitbeard with one hit tunneling above ground for life demanding for Luffy's life:

To show that I'm not making this up, he literally tunneled around them to reach Luffy. He LITERALLY ran away from Whitebeard:

So I'm not sure what manga you are reading, but Whitebeard beat the shit out of Akainu to the point that he had to tunnel around Whitebeard. He had help from several vice admirals and he still got destroyed.
 
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Everything you said is Two Piece canon my friend, what’s fact is that

1. Whitebeard got low diffed in 5 minutes when he actually tried to fight Akainu
2. Akainu suffered 0 damage from Whitebeard while Whitebeard had a hole in his brain and chesticles
3. Akainu held back massively and stilled blew Whitebeard’s body into pieces
4. Akainu never cared about Whitebeard after he blew a hole in his chest, so you act like Dog of the Red ran away when the truth is that Whitebeard snuck attacked him while Akainu never had any interest in the weak dying Yonko to begin with.

Akainu is far superior to Whitebeard, this is irrefutable fact.
 
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Everything you said is Two Piece canon my friend, what’s fact is that

1. Whitebeard got low diffed in 5 minutes when he actually tried to fight Akainu
That’s why Akainu couldn’t kill Whitebeard and Blackbeard was the only one able to.
2. Akainu suffered 0 damage from Whitebeard while Whitebeard had a hole in his brain and chesticles
That hole in his chest came from Squardo you dumbass, his missing face also didn’t stop him. And Akainu’s face was bleeding the whole time so there was no “0 damage.”
3. Akainu held back massively and stilled blew Whitebeard’s body into pieces
Akainu did that all the way underground?
4. Akainu never cared about Whitebeard after he blew a hole in his chest, so you act like Dog of the Red ran away when the truth is that Whitebeard snuck attacked him while Akainu never had any interest in the weak dying Yonko to begin with.
He wasn’t interested so he kept on attacking him every time he tried to get Ace back?
You mean the hole that Squardo made?
You mean the sneak attack akainu did when Whitebeard was coughing blood from his illness? Why did Akainu need vice admirals to help him attack too?

Akainu is far superior to Whitebeard, this is irrefutable fact.
Troll better you clown.
 
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That’s why Akainu couldn’t kill Whitebeard and Blackbeard was the only one able to.
Ahh, the "couldn't kill" argument, such a flawed argument as neither was Whitebeard able to kill Akainu lol. And this is doubly disgraceful as Whitebeard was unable to even hit Akainu without sneaking him from behind, like the truly dishonorable pirate he is. Akainu had far more honor, he squared up against Whitebeard with no fear and put a hole in his chest with ease:

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Notice the ease with which The Red Dog shuts down Whitebeard's entire offense, even having his hands in his pockets when he blocks the initial attack. This goes to show the humongous gap in between the two combatants, as Whitebeard was hardly able to make Akainu take his hands out of his pockets and fight seriously.

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And of course, the moment of truth when Whitebeard shows the whole world what tries to happen when he tries to fight an Admiral mano e mano: he can't. He gets a hole fisted in his chest. this is why he has to rely on sneak attacks to even land a single hit on our incredible Red Dog.

That hole in his chest came from Squardo you dumbass, his missing face also didn’t stop him. And Akainu’s face was bleeding the whole time so there was no “0 damage.”
Tis a fact that Aokiji in their 10 day battle did far more damage to Akainu than Whitebeard did, as Akainu came out of that battle with battle scars and missing chunks of his ear.

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While Whitebeard couldn't even give our Admiral of the Fleet a single bruise:

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But Whitebeard didn't even bruise our incredibly overpowered Admiral of the Fleet, instead merely causing superficial damage and a tiny bit of blood, whilst Akainu:

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And Akainu didn't need to sneak attack Whitebeard to put holes in him, he was perfectly able of leaving 2 holes in the man without needing to sneak attack him:

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Not even Roger of the Gol D. left this much damage on Whitebeard.

Akainu did that all the way underground?
Don't play coy with me friend, you know full well that Akainu put two holes in Whitebeard while Whitebeard couldn't even bruise him. Even Two Piece readers cannot deny this.

He wasn’t interested so he kept on attacking him every time he tried to get Ace back?
Who did Akainu keep attacking? Your argument is all over the place. Akainu was only interested in fighting Whitebeard up until this point:

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At which time Akainu actively turned away and paid no more attention to him, because Akainu knew that Whitebeard in his old age was so pathetic that even Navy HQ Captains would be able to land hits on him:

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So of course Dog of the Red would focus on much more significant future threats rather than Old Men who can barely fight off Smoker level Marines.

You mean the hole that Squardo made?
Don't destroy what little credibility you have here, you know full well that Akainu left a much more massive hole in Beard of the White's chest than Squardo did.

But arguing that Squardo was capable of putting holes in Whitebeard doesn't exactly help your argument, as now you're arguing that an, at best, Vice Admiral level character can actually stab a Yonko XD

I know the Yonko are quite weak compared to the mighty Admirals, but I thought you were supposed to be the one defending them?

You mean the sneak attack akainu did when Whitebeard was coughing blood from his illness? Why did Akainu need vice admirals to help him attack too?
When did Dog of the Red need Vice Admirals against Whitebeard?

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He didn't need them here, he was more than capable of fighting Whitebeard with his hands in his pockets,

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He didn't need them here, he fisted a hole in Whitebeard's chest without any VAs to help him,

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And of course he didn't here, when he delt more damage to Beard of the White than Roger ever did. Akainu was easily far, far beyond Whitebeard at Marineford, and it was such a humongous gap that Akainu almost didn't even take his hands out of his pockets.

Troll better you clown.
I would recommend that you stick to debating trash series like Naruto, One Piece is far too complex for you :)

"If Akainu was the Protagonist, I could put an end to One Piece in less than a Year"
--Eichirro Oda, writer of a manga where Big Mom and Kaido have failed to become the Pirate King for 2 decades
 
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So much defense that I forgot to address the funniest part of @Rikudou Tobi 's "argument", "Blackbeard killed Whitebeard, not Akainu!"

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I think it's quite telling that Whitebeard was killed by a pathetically weak crew like the Blackbeard Pirates, while Akainu fought on equal footing with a much stronger crew in the Whitebeard Pirates.

Stalemating the Whitebeard Pirates >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Getting killed by the Blackbeard Pirates

This is to be expected tho, as again, Akainu is far superior to Whitebeard.
Also,


Whitebeard vs Fodder Squardo:

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^Gets stabbed through the chest


Akainu vs Yonko candidate and Yonko Commander far stronger than Squardo:

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^Lols them off while openly pointing out that they both used Haki


Again courtesy of Rikudou's Whitebeard defense :)
 
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big mom absorbed g4?? care to show it then? https://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/871/9 before attacking big mom luffy said only one punch.he already new his limit that time.so he delivered the punch and he wore off.big mom simply blocked with armament haki.she didnt one shot him.and fujitora didnt even use armament haki while blocking g3 attacks https://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/799/3 and the only time he used armament was against the bird cage
 

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big mom absorbed g4?? care to show it then? https://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/871/9 before attacking big mom luffy said only one punch.he already new his limit that time.so he delivered the punch and he wore off.big mom simply blocked with armament haki.she didnt one shot him.
it doesn't change the fact that Luffys G4 had no damage on BM n he was loosing power after that punch.
and fujitora didnt even use armament haki while blocking g3 attacks https://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/799/3 and the only time he used armament was against the bird cage
Neither BM used haki when she was at SHs ship.
 
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it doesn't change the fact that Luffys G4 had no damage on BM n he was loosing power after that punch.

Neither BM used haki when she was at SHs ship.
first u said big mom one shotted g4 luffy and then said she took his power.lol at least to stick to one thing before arguing.luffy's g4 not having any damage doesnt even prove anything at all since big mom used armament haki as well.plus luffy loosing g4 due to his stamina problem which got nothing to do with big mom.without using haki fujitora blocked g3 attacks like nothing.so we dnt even know wt kind of strength he possess using armament haki.so both are two different scenarios we cant compare.if there is at least one thing we can compare its the stamina factor.big mom got weakened just after rampaging and it didnt even last for 10 days while we all know two admirals fought off a death match for 10 days
plus just like @AwakenedSama said the strongest attack wb launched against akainu didnt even give any permanent scar on him bt aokiji could do it ,even that a huge one on akainu's right side.can add even more.just after all this war and tanking wb's greatest attacks, few chapters later we saw that akainu going after BB.all bt straight facts right there
 

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first u said big mom one shotted g4 luffy and then said she took his power.lol at least to stick to one thing before arguing.luffy's g4 not having any damage doesnt even prove anything at all since big mom used armament haki as well.
so u agree G4 did no damage to BM?
plus luffy loosing g4 due to his stamina problem which got nothing to do with big mom.without using haki fujitora blocked g3 attacks like nothing.
He was pushed back, like BM was by Jinbei. At Sunny BM didn't use any haki or stuff to block Jimbei's FMK. Yet people thinks she was struggling against weaker SHs even tho she baby shake Brook n was right at the top of SHs till Sanji came with that Cake.

so we dnt even know wt kind of strength he possess using armament haki.so both are two different scenarios we cant compare.if there is at least one thing we can compare its the stamina factor.
the scenario with Jinbei using FMK n Luffy G3 punch to Issho is same. Even the Results were same. Both were pushed back but didn't do any damage.
big mom got weakened just after rampaging and it didnt even last for 10 days while we all know two admirals fought off a death match for 10
so now one need to fight 10days to prove he/she is top lvl or not???
It was said in BM's backstory that she was cut out to be an Admiral or fleet admiral in future(same rank which Akainu holding) n here suddenly people thinks she is below an Admiral now lol
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plus just like @AwakenedSama said the strongest attack wb launched against akainu didnt even give any permanent scar on him bt aokiji could do it ,even that a huge one on akainu's right side.can add even more.just after all this war and tanking wb's greatest attacks, few chapters later we saw that akainu going after BB.all bt straight facts right there
what does scars have to do with someone's strength???
Aokiji gave no scars to Luffy yet he is at same lvl as Akainu who gave him a permanent scar. So that scar logic is BS.
 
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so u agree G4 did no damage to BM?
and i said it did? lol dnt act like u weren't the one who came up with something funny like big mom one shotted g4 luffy.i simply debunked it.and its not even an impressive feat since big mom had to use her armament as well to block it

He was pushed back, like BM was by Jinbei. At Sunny BM didn't use any haki or stuff to block Jimbei's FMK. Yet people thinks she was struggling against weaker SHs even tho she baby shake Brook n was right at the top of SHs till Sanji came with that Cake.
she struggled against them.that was bad since big mom was actually rampaging unlike fujitora who was trolling.he even made jokes with luffy while fighting.he was somewhat of respectful towards luffy since he saved the country.SHs made a fool out of big mom https://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/890/15 https://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/890/16



the scenario with Jinbei using FMK n Luffy G3 punch to Issho is same. Even the Results were same. Both were pushed back but didn't do any damage.
even though it didnt do any damage big mom was sent flying bt fujitora was just pushed back a little
here u can see it https://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/890/12 look how far big mom was sent flying https://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/798/15 while fujitora didnt even loose his footing bt only was pushed back(though big mom was weakened due to sea water. i give u that).the same g3 attacks were able make kaido to go back to his human form from dragon form

so now one need to fight 10days to prove he/she is top lvl or not???
It was said in BM's backstory that she was cut out to be an Admiral or fleet admiral in future(same rank which Akainu holding) n here suddenly people thinks she is below an Admiral now lol
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what does scars have to do with someone's strength???
Aokiji gave no scars to Luffy yet he is at same lvl as Akainu who gave him a permanent scar. So that scar logic is BS.
stamina wise thats really poor coming from big mom.she was rampaging towards while breaking anything on her way which is not a hard thing as to battle someone equally for 10 days.and its not like they had a small level of fight.whole island's weather went to chaos because of it.so big mom getting weaker just for rampaging which didnt even last for 5 days reflect the poor stamina she got.when it comes to strength of characters stamina do play a hug role.luffy win almost every fight(tough ones) due to his amazing stamina.mother caramel's words actually favor wt i hv been supporting all this time.i support the idea of yonkou being equal to admirals not like u guys who cant handle that fact.and for aokiji's part.he never even once tried to actually kill him.that was akainu and he did give him a scar.bt when wb attacked akainu it was out of rage not like he wanted akainu to get up from it.its even more impressive since thats the most disastrous atttacks we hv yet cn in one piece and akainu survived that without even getting a scar.while aokiji was able to give a huge one for him at that death battle.
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u can see punk hazard was split into exactly half.and the crater which was created due to their battle is far more huge than wt wb could create with his strongest attack(the crater itself was a huge lake) so aokiji and akainu werent exchanging attacks any lower than wt wb could produce.so aokiji managing to leave a scar on akainu while wb couldnt ,doesnt even surprise me at all.by this im not saying wb is weaker than admirals.wt im saying is both big mom who is 68 and wb who was 72 when died were badly shown probably because of that age factor.both of those yonkou are/were at a declining state.if it werent for that i think pretty much both admirals and yonkou are in same tier
 
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