[Discussion] Admiral vs Yonko
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Vandenre1ch
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Well for one, I only said that sick WB was above Aokiji and maybe even Kizaru. I actually had to go back and re-read some of the fight, as I know he would lose to Akainu. To be honest, Kizaru will beat him too.
Sick WB is not losing to Fujitora or Aokiji though, since they have literally nothing to take him down and kill him, and his quakes will just destroy Aokiji's ice as well as pulverize all of Fujitora's meteors.
You stating that the admirals(plural) > sick WB is just you putting all the admirals together as if they are equal to each other, which is wrong.
Lmao, well I don't know what the hell this is supposed to mean, but I never said this. Sabo is clearly below Fujitora.
Your example literally made no sense because for one thing, for the 3rd time now, I never said that sick WB was stronger than ALL the admirals. Second, me saying that sick WB is stronger than Aokiji is not me saying that Luffy would low diff the admirals at the EOS, because if I were to say that sick WB could high diff or extreme diff Aokiji in a 1v1, then wouldn't this mean that Luffy could high diff Fujitora by the EOS or extreme diff Aokiji by the EOS or extreme to almost near death defeat Akainu at the EOS? You are either just severely underrating sick WB's level or just trying to be a smartass, probably the former.
Again, your example is flawed because you didn't properly read what I said and assumed that I meant all the admirals.
Vandenre1ch
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Sick WB being above any admiral is objectively untrue. If that version of WB is that powerful, then the admirals aren't top tiers cause Sick WB is unable to beat any top tier since he'll get fatal heart attacks mid fight and can't use haki.
Sick WB definitely loses to any admiral. This is one of those things that is just natural like Mingo being above Pica. I mean, is G2/3 Luffy on the same level as Katakuri cause he dodged his moves and drew blood? Or is it circumstantial?
Fujitora could hurt Sabo the logia somehow and his passive, no named gravity can draw blood from Zoro. We don't know how Fuji hurt Sabo, but he can hurt even logias and he definitely has the means to take out Sick WB. Aokiji could draw bllod and scar Akainu who you're now saying is above Sick WB. Something isn't right here.
All the admirals have been portrayed in the same light and portrayed above Sick WB since WB couldn't hurt any of them but they could hurt him. WB couldn't do anything until a distraction was involved.
Akainu & Aokiji fought for 10 days....Fuji beats Kizaru since gravity counters light.....Kizaru is portrayed with Akainu & Aokiji etc..
Its an example. Fuji being above Sabo is as clear as the admirals being above Sick WB. Saying Sick WB>admirals is the equivalent of saying Sabo=Fujitora cause you can't come to any conclusion without ignoring key details. Get it now? Sick WB was losing to admirals legitimately.....Sbao was losing to Fuji legitimately....
I know what you said. What I said doesn't change. Its objectively true that Sick WB is below the admirals or any top tier. Its objectively true that all admirals are in the same ballpark. So to say Sick WB is above any admiral(and you originally said Akainu is an extreme diff), directly implies that he's above all of them, which directly implies that the admirals aren't top tiers.
If you put yonkos above Sick WB and Roger above yonko, that means Luffy is very likely to be above Roger EoS facing 3 non top tier people who can't defeat a guy unable to use haki & have heart attacks. I mean the example is very clear but you guys are taking what I say too literally.
Lmao way to expose yourself. You really saying MF WB isn't a top tier? It's not like Oda repeatedly stated how much damage he was taking in MF from all kinds of opponents. Also wb can't hurt admirals? Lol dude come on. Wb couldn't use Kings haki, not normal haki.
So to summarize you are saying for a fact that luffy is going to fight admirals eos? That's a stretch since he could face someone like BB as a FV who is likely above akainu at that point in time.
Vandenre1ch
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Once again, you miss the obvious point and its pretty obvious that I don't think Luffy will be that powerful EoS. If you can't comprehend the use of examples or expressions in a debate then I don't know.....
And expose what? That Sick WB who can't use haki, has heart attacks that allows at least 3 big moves from the opposition each, needed to be saved from admirals isn't a top tier? I'll give you another EXAMPLE. Understand? Roger vs Kizaru...for Roger, remove haki and give him an illness that'll leave him wide open for big attacks whenever he gets a heart after each short scuffle...is Roger in that condition above Kizaru still?
Dude he can't use his Kings haki, not no haki at all. Then why use that as an example, you're downplaying someone's argument with a impossible hypothetical scenario where you also make assumptions that eos luffy has to fight admirals. Wb was still a top tier meaning he can give them a hell of a fight, idk about roger, he might not be as resilient as WB so he might lose easier, I can't give you an answer we saw next to nothing from roger. But even a sick wb isn't getting mid diffed by an admiral, that's just utter nonsense and bad story telling by Oda if he designed it in such a way.
Whiteboards power was stated to not be diminished at all. The only thing that lowered his power was the brief time he had heart attacks, that being said, imho we still haven't seen any attacks yet that are still on the same level as whitebeards. I think still he has shown the most destructive attacks in the whole Manga. Being sick and old did nothing but give him heart attacks and not allow him to use kings haki which wouldn't have mattered anyways. Without heart attacks old sick wb > everyone but Roger as stated by oda. But that's not the case. Without his machine it's inevitable so you have to factor in heart attacks in every battle and just use the same power we saw and assume he doesn't have heart attacks if it's his prime. And of course the new emphasis on haki would apply to wb if he was still alive
Vandenre1ch
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You're STILL clinging to the Luffy bit literally? At this point in time, I can honestly say you have little reading comprehension since you can't understand what an example or expression is. Or are you doing that on purpose? Might as well take the phrase "when pigs fly" literally.
Never said Sick WB gets med diffed and its not bad story telling from Oda. You just don't like it so please don't sink that low.
WB tried slashing Kizaru but it did nothing....it phrased through him, showing WB unable to use COA due to his condition....
Oda said WB's attack power, will power and standing didn't decrease with age or sickness. Everything else took a hit and WB himself said he couldn't be the strongest forever. One of the themes of MF was how WB was a shell of his former self which is why Crocodile ranted and Marco said WB could've easily avoided Squadro's slash. Its also why Oda had Akainu taunt WB on how his era is over and even he isn't immune to sickness. MF Whitebeard was outdone by every admiral he faced.
MF WB has top tier qualities but the other stats drag him down. People only focus on his top tier qualities and ignore everything else.
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Because Akainu has no idea regarding wano . It has been closed off for many centuries venturing there with no info is just suicidal since sakazuki is fleet admiral he cannot desert away from HQ with other duties.
Vandenre1ch
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I've been inactive for like a year and Rikudou feels the need to shit talk me because of a debate from 14 months ago. What a fragile ego lol. I completely forgot about him but he remembers me all so clearly. Damn....
Somehow Orochi boasting that he doesn't fear the WG cause he has a dude that been captured by them 7 times, means the yonko are stronger. People trying to forget Big Meme exists.
Wow this site got an overhaul
Somehow Orochi boasting that he doesn't fear the WG cause he has a dude that been captured by them 7 times, means the yonko are stronger. People trying to forget Big Meme exists.
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Rikudou Tobi
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I've been inactive since last year, came back two weeks ago and see that Vander-idiot is the same egotistical brat that can't admit when he is wrong. This boy is a serious dumbass and he still remains an idiot till this day.
At least try and get smarter this new year because that Big mom analogy is as stupid as the last comment. Big mom exist and she's still stronger than an Admiral, implying that she's any weaker just shows how dense you are.
Did you forget that these strongest pirates are at a deadlock?
At least try and get smarter this new year because that Big mom analogy is as stupid as the last comment. Big mom exist and she's still stronger than an Admiral, implying that she's any weaker just shows how dense you are.
Did you forget that these strongest pirates are at a deadlock?
