[Game] Naruto Shippuden Mafia Game #43

[Gutsy]

But again I want Naomis take on it, i also know that AnimePigeon and Naomi was pointing fingers very strongly at Waluigi for a slip up and saying that he is super sus.

 

[Gutsy]

I know that AnimePigeon sussed: The Big Boss, Stargate and Kirikoe.
Naomi sused: the big boss, stargate, waluigi (big slip up) and put me and Kirikoe on sus list.

 

[Gutsy]

AnimePigeon, Waluigi and others voted Stargate.

 

[Lucidus]

Kirikoe, on the other hand, was hinting bigly all game that they were a big badass role, and then claimed vanilla at the end of all that which is fine, but I feel like that can be a wolf preparing a claim or counterclaim and it never happened.

So I think again one of you two is a wolf.

Woah there chief. I almost skipped over this. I do not recall ever making out to be more than I am. A basic townie. I don't believe I ever implied I was more can you please present the evidence for this claim?

 

[Ekkologix]

@Ekkologix Name two setups where Docs arent told they were Roleblocked. Then build two trios, one where SG is town and one where SG is wolf. Give your vote order in each and one partner interaction your basing it on.

every setup ive played in my life, outside of town of salem tier stuff

 

[Ekkologix]

My suspicions are leaning towards Ekko and Rohan. However, I am not sure if it can be both since Ekko is pushing towards me, Rohan, and gutsy.

can you evidence the bolded?

 

[Ekkologix]

I think Stargate is wolfy (reasons below), then Kirikoe.

Thanks for that, I completely missed Stargate's claim.

Doctor would not be informed that their protect was blocked or bypassed. Otherwise the Doctor will know that a roleblocker or strongman exists. This would give the doctor an indirect investigative power which will affect the balance of the game.

Stargate's slip is very telling. It means that they are lying about their powers.

It is also interesting that Tiara claimed the moment a pressure vote was placed on them. The doctor has failed to protect so many townies in the night. I have to admit that I might have fallen for the false doctor claim.

i think stargate's team will bus him at this stage to ensure future success. late joiners on that sus train like rohan shud get no credit

 

[Lucidus]

stargate luigi and one of rohan/kiriko is the team

can you evidence the bolded?

You do it in the above quote.

As for Gutsy, your right, it wasn't you who made the statement, but it was Waluigi who was quoting your post after.

 

[Waluigi]

OK

This is very difficult to do while medicated.

I found what I was looking for and then began also tracking Kirikoe's suspicions and who suspected Kirikoe.

I may want to break this up.

 

[Waluigi]

Here is the section where you implied you were powerful @Kirikoe

No rest for the wicked

You tell me... if your towny you might rest. The fact you think you won't rest proves to me your a wolf

You are the one threatening me,

I see this thread is very quiet today, everyone is just biding their time.... mysterious...

Biding their time until the dragon warrior is revealed

Im here so it can't be that

Because im super special

I am the Dragon warrior...

I thought we had this conversation already. Its like I am talking in circles with you

Do you need help? It sounds like you need help

Damn what a thing to wake up to. Its like my previous posts were just ignored.

I will go through more of the 4 pages added since I have been asleep to see if it changes my views at all.

This implies that the previous posts I just highlighted are supposed to make people back off of suspecting kirikoe, in other words, IMPLYING that they're a town Power Role.

I am just going to bring this to peoples attention again. I believe the biggest absolving factor for me is the fact that both Elmage and Guillo died on D1.

It would have been a terrible play by me if i were a wolf! Think about it.

Also the above implies that Kirikoe knows for a fact that both shots came from the wolf team.

This is wolfy TMI.

I agree with this mostly. If stargate is the doctor, there is a way the Wolfs can use him against us more. I will elaborate further later down the line if you haven't caught my meaning yet.

This kind of speculation doesn't come from vanilla townies. It comes from someone who has some kind of knowledge of the mechanics of the game.

There is no way for a vanilla townie to speculate that the wolves can "USE HIM AGAINST US" unless Kirikoe is the person who is aware the wolf team has the ability to steal powers from townies and use them against us.

Claims? Didn't realise we should be I guess 'The Doc' already did so...

I am town. Plain old town. Trying to save my town with a good mindset with very little other than my deduction skills

Then explain the above posts.

I haven't tried to dodge anything, I have been nothing but honest and confronted each suspicion with adequate explanation.

Your only reason for suspecting me has always been because Elmage and Guillo suspected me, which isn't adequate enough and could easily be seen as trying to start an easy wagon.

Can you accurately suggest the reasons why I seem suspicious to you, rather than just saying 'Because this person thought you were'

I have given reasons for all my reads but I don't see much reason to yours at this moment.

Because wolves never directly murder the people accusing them?

I want to address this, so apologies if this causes a double post.

You have given ample reasons to why you would be town, however, you come across as very well practiced, you are easily able to steer conversations, and you clearly know how to make the correct slip ups to appear as town. So despite how towny you might seem, I am not 100% convinced you are town.

As for the cop, many suspicions about others have been raised, and no one has come forward claiming someone is definitely town or definitely wolf. In fact, if there is a cop scanning, it would have been appropriate to scan myself after Elmage and Guillo died, since they were my main accusers. This would have even absolved me of suspicion and focus could be directed elsewhere. However, once again no direct claims on this have been made unless they are one of the people who is staying in the background, hardly communicating.

At this time. I don't think using the excuse that you asked to be scanned is good enough as a reason. In fact, the cop has a good opportunity here now, we have directly suggested the order of which we suspect and may lynch people, in order to save the right people it would be wise to be scanning the people that we intend to lynch.

Note, the cop cannot come forward and claim they scanned me, because I am the JOAT investigative role, aka, the cop in this game.

And Kirikoe uses the logic that they haven't been scanned and suggests they should have been scanned, and that it would have absolved them of suspicion, yet used the logic that I have not been as reason to doubt my alignment.

Kirikoe uses double standards here, in an actually wolfy manner.


@Naomi_
@Rohan
@Ekkologix
@Stargate18
@Gutsy

I have a lot more. I have a giant, megawall, demonstrating that Kirikoe's suspicions are whatever the thread consensus is, they don't actually have any real beliefs or suspicions.

they say things like Rohan is wolf, and don't follow through, they accuse Ekko, and don't follow through, they accused both masons, they accused me, they accused Stargate as well, and the interactions between Kirikoe and gutsy are either distancing, or Gutsy actually found a wolf way back when but kept backing off for no real reason.

So Kirikoe's list of suspicions includes literally everyone except Naomi, and literally only because of the claim of mason. That's it.

These are not real suspicions and not a real solve. I will demonstrate.

Next, is the wall where I track others' suspicions of Kirikoe, and Kirikoe's suspicions.

I will post it without commentary, please read it in full.

 

[Waluigi]

Spoiler

Im soo tired T-T

This man ekko is sus

This is mafia

Ok

You are certainly quick to point fingers! That is prime Mafia tactics

Then i retract my statement that you are not associated with Tiara. Both of you are mafia.

See you day 2

Vote count 1 at P88

Votes	Voted	Voters
4	Tiara	Elmage, Guillotina, Kirikoe, TheBigBoss,
1	Ekko	Tiara
1	Rej	Ekko
1	Rohan	Gutsy

If you notice any mistake in the VC please tell me in the private conversation

Damn a lot has been going on since ive been gone.

Tiara crashing out! Sus behaviour for an experienced player

I'm not seeing any reads here. You mention @Ekkologix being sus, but ended up voting @Tiara after two others voted, and it seems like you're just coasting to Eod. There's enough info now to get some reads from you at least, so please, reads.
So until I get a response from you, I'll be changing my vote to you.

Vote @Kirikoe

Leaning town on @Guillotina @Haze_with_a_Z @Rej so far
I'm still not convinced about @Tiara yet, but currently, @Kirikoe is more sus
I'm looking closely at @Rohan and @Gutsy

Kirikoe not wolf with Tiara or Ekko due to this confusion.

Waluigi- King of the world

Tiara- doctor claimant
not wolf with Ekko, Kirikoe

Kirikoe- first post, villagirl lean
not wolf with Elmage, Tiara, Ekko

Ekkologix- villa lean
not wolf with Tiara, Rohan, Kirikoe

Rohan- villa lean
not wolf with Ekkologic



Not sorted

Guillotina- working on it. fiesty but also Waluigi seen them be fiesty woof.
Gutsy- working on it.
The Big Boss- working on it, probs not with Ekko, raisins
Haze_with_a_Z- working on it! Nice to see the Z warrior back in the fight.

Not active

Horus- need to do more
Hunty- need to do more
Fujishiro- need to do more

Poe / pres

Rej- okay for a d1 elimination.
Elmage G Ace- has an unpairing at least. Null-woofy, not wolf with kirikoe

Town leans in order:
The Big Boss
Haze
Ekkologix
Elmage
Guillotina

Nulls:
Tiara
Waluigi (?)
Avo/Fuji

PoE:
Hunty
Gutsy
Horus
Kirikoe
Rohan

What is suspicion reasoning on Kirikoe?

Not think they wolf but realize time is of the essence. Whats the short version

Vote Kirikoe

We as in we the whole town.

This guy is def scum isn't he, look at that

Kirikoe

If that is indeed true then I hope you get the protection. My vote has already been directed elsewhere. If your claims are true I fear you may be at risk.

Hopefully you will stay around for a while.

kirikoe is always sus to be honest. people not posting alot? look around rohan

besides if anyone is sus around here its Kiri and Waluigi

immediately going in and throwing hands

Vote Kirikoe

Town Reads
Ekko- Good activity, doesnt seem sus to me tbf
Haze
Stargate

IDK:
Hunty
Elmage

Wolf Reads
Kirikoe- I sus him cuz he is my friend tbf but he is also sussed by others
Rohan - Always sus of him, regardless of actions
Big boss - Voting like crazy

Also dont like people throwing votes or switching votes all the time.

Kirikoe

There is faaar too much to go through on just my phone.

Rohan brings up a good point. Both elmage and Guillo suspected me for some reason, getting rid of them makes it look bad on me. From a wolf perspective this is actually a bad move if I were a wolf. It points hands at me for no reason.

On the other hand, as I am town, by getting rid of both elmage and Guillo, the wolf benefits because it throws suspicion onto another town instead. There was no downside for them.

Rohan pointing fingers at me for these reasons is fairly sus, especially since he is already suspected by others. It strikes me as trying to throw suspicion elsewear.

There is chinese saying (shù dà zhāo fēng)

"A tall tree attracts the wind"

In other words it garners the most amount of attention and allows others to hide beneath its shadow. In this case I believe Rohan and Gutsy are attempting to.. 'Hide beneath behind my shadow' so to speak.

This is a very good point from Waluigi here.

Gutsy came in with little knowledge and has made a claim near exactly like Rohan.

This could suggest the two are colluding with each other. Its very near unlikely to have an exact same reading unless he ia copying Rohans post haphazardly

I have given my reads so far, but to reiterate certain possibilities.

Stargate - claimed to be the doctor before substitution. Could be a play to make people hesitant to vote this way. At least until other suspects are removed. This could give him plenty of time to cripple town.

Hunty - faded into the background, jumping on bandwagon due to 'Vibes', little actvity results in poorer reads. - suspect.

Rohan - see my above posts. Still suspect

Gutsy - see above post

Ekko - having a hard time reading them atm. Need to go back and take the time to figure this one out.

Waluigi - established he likes to play the persona. Not immediately jumping on wagons and is looking for reasons. Ironically in my favor despite it being very easy to jump on the "Kiri Sus' train. Towny behaviour but he could be just a damn good wolf. Will continue examining.

Haze - Another who posts only a few times, no current reads.

The big boss - I had no reads until just now when thinking about it. Possible suspect. Has been going down a list of people to lynch but has been quick to vote, strikes me as someone who doesn't particular care who they vote for, wolf behaviour - Just trying to get through days by voting, mentioned it was too early for reads, shows he is voting haphazardly, who needs to read people when you know who is town and who isn't already ey?

Alright I have gone over the last 10 pages or so to give a better and more thorough read through since I have time before I start working today.

Ill start off by simply saying that yes i love to joust with kiri, and my messages have been a mess but i finally have time to read through things.

My general read is that Rohan and I have similar view on Big Boss and Kirikoe as wolves, however Rohan thinks im too quiet. Aside from that Kirikoe suggests me and Rohan are colluding because we are pushing him.

Big Boss has been throwing shade at people, and you claimed that it was too early to read and vote then votes randomly.

Waluigi, Naomi and Ekko are town, you three essentially are the leading people around trying to solve this.

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If It was up to me I believe the following are potential wolves / groups:

Kirikoe: he keeps fighting off multiple town pushes on him.
The Big Boss: Boss random wierd votes.
Hunty: hiding behind inactivity.

Stargates doc claim may be fake but im unsure.

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I think Rohan is just frustrated that i havent written more seriously.

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FULL LIST:

Town:
Waluigi
Ekko
Naomi
Haze
Rohan

Wolf:
Hunty
The Big Boss
Kirikoe

Unsure:
Stargate
AnimePigeon

Votecount 2 of D2 at P[POSTNUM]#552[/POSTNUM]

Naomi: TheBigBoss>Hunty
TheBigBoss: Rohan
Ekko: Stargate
Rohan: Kirikoe
Gutsy: Kirikoe>Rohan
Waluigi: Hunty

Votes	Voted	Votes
2	Hunty	Naomi, Waluigi
2	Rohan	TheBigBoss, Gutsy
1	Stargate	Ekko
1	Kirikoe	Rohan

Please announce me in private conversation for any mistake in the VC

My apologies Michelle, for i am about to change my vote.

Vote Kirikoe

Current candidates are

Kirikoe, with 2 votes
Stargate, with 1 vote
Hunty, with 2 votes
Rohan, with 1 vote

0 votes on Ekko, Waluigi, Big Boss, Naomi, Gutsy, Haze, and Animepigeon.



@Kirikoe @Stargate18 @The Big Boss @Naomi_ @Ekkologix @Rohan @Gutsy @Hunty


Suggestion- with 3 or more wagons, the wolf team usually tends to take advantage of the scattered votes and lack of votes.
if there's 3 wagons or 4 wagons, townies involved don't know where the final vote is going to end up, and wolves can nudge it in a certain direction.

So, if there's townies on the chopping block today, and there should be, because 4 is a lot for a game this size, that means the wolf team controls the outcome right now.

We can decide between us which 1 name we decide to not pursue today, but perhaps tomorrow.

I would be willing to drop stargate, or kirikoe, but because of my earlier argument, I think the wagons should be between these two names, for the maximum chance to hit a wolf.

However, if that's not acceptable, what about just one of these, and we resolve 1 of those names today, with the counterwagon being either rohan, or hunty, or some other name.

@AnimePigeon you were active and had opinions, what say you?

The only other person is @Haze_with_a_Z and I'm worried they're not paying close attention to the game, or making reads.

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Too long, didn't read

If there's 3 or more wagons, the wolf team will control the outcome, and I don't want that 2 days in a row.

I would consolidate onto stargate, Hunty, or Kirikoe, but if any of those are town, I'd appreciate their help voting for the other names.

And of the people not being voted, I would prefer not to vote for: Waluigi, Ekko, Naomi, Animepigeon.

I also dont really have any particular reason to vote Gutsy, and of the people being voted, think Rohan flips town.

I voted for Kirikoe and still believe he is a wolf as my previous post did with more explanation as to what is going on. In my bigger post.

I am not on weekend leave so i have more time to focus and participate.

If people prefer voting for Hunty or TheBigBoss that i am fine with.

I have yet to place my vote. I am still unsure of Rohan tbh. But Hunty has also been particilarly sus to me.

As Waluigi said. Its possible wolves have the deciding vote. So how about this. I will go along with what Waluigi and Big Boss decide to do in this case.

If that turns out to be myself then so be it. I will refrain from voting which would end up as a self vote. If I have to be a martyr to get people on the right track then so be it.

I understand that sentiment, but if your counterwagon is someone you feel CAN be a wolf and hasn't claimed an important town power, I would rather you self preserve.

@Kirikoe

because if youre town, youre valuable and here and solving and trying, and i prefer that in endgame even if a suspect, over someone who wont play.

That gives town maximum chances to win, because the alternative is

someone who can be a wolf in endgame, and also, isnt fighting for town, which is always worse.

So, I would request that you neither don't vote, nor self vote. If you feel comfortable self preserve voting, please do so.

To be fair I am willing to drop @Kirikoe and go for Hunty as the focus today. it seems more viable and also seems more sus in general. After the first day Kiri and others have changed tone and general kiri you done nothing but try to convince others you are not the bad guy here.

I am in total agreement with Waluigi about preservation and there are others more sus, and for Town I imagine the best possible outcome is this.

Big Boss just went for hunty he has 3 thats difficult to beat.

For now then

Vote - Hunty

Alright it seems like the lock in is on Hunty today.

Vote Hunty

I see big boss and waluigi working together like a true friendship! lets see where it leads for town

I think voting for Hunty is a good idea. They have posted very less and are wolfy. I also like the current convo and it has convinced me.

Change Vote
Vote Hunty

I acknowledge the votes onto Hunty.

I will now move my vote to Stargate18, for pressure.

If I get what I need from stargate, I will move off, and join the Hunty hunt.

VC 3 of D2 at P[POSTNUM]#661[/POSTNUM]

Naomi: TheBigBoss>Hunty
TheBigBoss: Rohan>Hunty>Stargate
Ekko: Stargate
Rohan: Kirikoe
Gutsy: Kirikoe>Rohan>Kirikoe
Waluigi: Hunty>Stargate>Hunty
Kirikoe: Hunty
AnimePigeon: TheBigBoss
Stargate: Hunty
Haze: Stargate

4 -Hunty- Naomi,Waluigi, Kirikoe Stargate,
3 -Stargate -TheBigBoss, Ekko, Haze
2- Kirikoe - Rohan, Gutsy
1- TheBigBoss- AnimePigeon

kirikoe

Kirikoe

do u remember who kiriko suspects rn kinda forgot

Apologies for my lack of actvity. I had spent yesterday travelling home and 5 hours of that included a plane ride home. By the time I got home it was 2am in the UK so I have been asleep for the last 8 hours also.

Do bare in mind that timezones are going to effect the game in some way for people.

I haven't fully looked at all the posts just yet since night, I will need a little while to go through them and catch up.

I do recall someone asking my suspect list so I will reiterate and try to keep it brief.

Stargate
Rohan
The Big Boss

These are currently my main suspicions. I do believe some of my reasoning could be explained by the fact 2 of these players could be newbies towards the game.

Damn thats a big accusation coming from someone without any grounds for it.

I believe Rohan, Ekko and you Big Boss are wolves, but you have nothing to say for me saying that you wére on both town eliminations and you are easily swayed to follow others. and you opening state who you want dead? and you accuse others of being a wolf without evidence.

Woah there, thats a slippery slope for no reason. You are saying, 'If you are town, you must join us' Yet there is no real evidence you are even town yourself.

It is easy to say you are town, but it doesn't make it true.

For example I could say im a 400-foot tall purple platypus-bear with pink horns and silver wings. It doesn't mean its true.

I understand.

Right now im not saying you are a wolf or a town, but we should avoid, right now until there is 100% proof, anyone could be anything.

For me, there are definitely people who are not participating as much, which is detrimental to the town, whether it is actually town or wolf.

Right now im a bit on the fence with a few people

“My death might be the only way to unify the town” is pure AtE. Unity comes from cases and flips, not self-martyrdom.
If you genuinely think your flip solves the game, then do the work now:
• If you flip town, who are the two wolves, and what posts make that true?
• If you flip wolf, who does it clear and who does it condemn, specifically?
No more vibes. Give receipts or drop the martyr act.

So far my suspicions remain largely the same, with less input happening from Rohan which I do find unusual considering he set up the rules and everything for this game in the first place, I would have expected him to be more involved. Busy? perhaps but non the less I find him suspicious.

There is plenty of time still let to go and find out more, but Gutsy and The big boss do not fill me with much hope currently. I feel there is a wolf between them. I am leaning towards the big boss as the wolf.

Stargate for me is absolutely sus. the sheer possibility of them being the doc is the only thing keeping me from voting straight away, but I am wondering how much usefulness that still has with few players remaining, leaving him for longer could result in more chances of us getting crippled.

Waluigi sits on the fence for me, Has a lot of good things to say, but the leadership of the game is always something to be concerned about, I am sure some people have the same reservations about me. It comes with being vocal. But it is also necessary.

Naomi - I am still unsure on this one, for whatever reason I still can't get a good read. I still don't feel there has been enough activity from this person to really know anything. This concerns me but I can see more activity is starting to come out so I will wait before making deductions.

Ekko - Same reason as above. Was a bit more active though


I think for me my current vote would go towards Stargate. Depending on how this vote turns out would depend on how future votes go as well imo

As much as I don't trust Rohan, he is correct regarding 'The Big Boss.' His accusations have been all over the place, a lot of them are quite literally 'If you accuse me, I will accuse you.' Let's take 'Gutsy's' post for example, he highlighted a few good points here. I pointed out how his votes seem to be following the crowd quite easily, and they change easily; who he votes for doesn't really matter to him since they are normally directed towards townie.

He had labelled quite a few people as wolf before, and is making claims such as, 'if you are not with us, you are against us' < Not in these exact words but its the same essence. This isn't good as I pointed out for several reasons.

Kirikoe

You accuse me without basis.

I dont have a vendetta against kirikoe, i literally buried the hatchet and i am siding with him what in gods world are you smoking?

Kirikoe

I don't disagree with the vote on Hunty, despite being town, his reasons for voting and participating were little and suspect. his inactivity provided unnecessary cover like you mentioned. Its not something that can always be helped but unfortunately, these are the votes that Wolves will jump on.

The problem we have now is which way over the fence to go.

On one side we have Waluigi who may have come across a wolf and now the other wolf is covering. They found a flaw they could exploit which explains there boom in activity.

On the other hand, its also possible Naomi and Animepigeon do have some sort of joined role and have actually noticed a flaw in Waluigi's statements. This makes it hard to choose exactly. The logical thing is to choose one or the other and it would prove everything ideally. But choosing wrong is a detriment to us when we could be picked off in the night.

You make a good point, I can't say im not clear from suspicion. In my case, all I can do is go off what is mentioned in the chat. I have to make observations and go with logical thinking for direction. Perhaps that is why I look like a fence sitter because right now there is no solid point.

I will be honest, like I have been from the beginning.

My main suspicions are honestly in a traffic light format. Before Waluigi's statements I had both Anime and Naomi in the green light section. But with the current divide its not easy to make a certain assumption about either of you anymore, just like Waluigi. However, The Big Boss has been consistent with questionable plays tbh imo

The Big Boss
Stargate

Rohan
Waluigi
Ekko
Anime
Naomi

Gutsy

That is questionable. In a dedicated game like this why not?

I think you are watching everything go down and coasting. In fact your premium invisibility would aid that a lot

Why. What makes you think confident?

I suspected Rohan previously, however, he has also made some good reads.

I find you are mostly following the pack so why do you find Ekko and Rohan so sus?

For now I am going to vote for who I think has been the most suspicious so far.

Vote - The Big Boss

I may change but right now, you have given me no reason to not suspect you.

You have been closely pocketing Waluigi as well which depending on the outcome could actually absolve or incriminate Waluigi. So lets see how this goes.

wats ur explanation for waluigi having an incorrect result, seem like u know something here. did u redirect him?

Your thoughts are appreciated. It would be interesting to hear your PoV

alright lets do stargate first

i may not be here at EoD, working on the site tomorrow. any chance you can enable majority lynch style @Michelle

vote lynch stargate

this is good too

but big boss doesnt agree

naomi historically isn't very good at reading me, she gets paranoid until i start flipping players scum to satisfy her expectations

I addressed this already tbf much further back, you are welcome to look further back, ask questions or I can reiterate what I said in general.

Right now the town is soo divided that its hard to progress.

My suspicions are both The Big Boss and Stargate. The Big boss seems heavily against Stargate so its possible only one of them is a wolf between them.

I would be happy to vote for either once a general consensus is reached. For now, my vote will remain on The Big Boss

This would depend on your alignment tbh.

Like I mentioned. If you did happen to be town, then I would vote Stargate for certain. If you are wolf then I would start looking elsewhere to start with, perhaps Waluigi at that point

No, that's not true either.

I think youre confusing masons with neigbors.

They didnt claim neighbors, which can be either alignment, they claimed masons specifically.

Seeing as how Stargate is seemingly inactive, or trying to fade and avoid attention, although it doesn't matter at this point, not sure if its a good thing or not.

I am happy to compromise and vote for Stargate. However, if stargate turns out to be town, then The Big Boss would be my next focus.

So far the possible wolf teams look like this

Waluigi
The Big Boss

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Naomi_
Animepigeon

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Rohan
Gutsy
Ekko

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I don't feel like I need to explain the top two possible teams. I think at this points it fairly evident why as I have mentioned it previously. As for Rohan and Gutsy and Ekko. I do not believe all are wolves. I believe one person here is town. Im leaning towards Gutsy being town.

This would make Rohan + Ekko being the most likely Wolf team if I exclude your possible teams.

I left stargate out of this by accident. I would actually say Rohan is likely to be his partner.

Ekko's push towards stargate leans me away from the team, but im not discounting it either as it could be a tactic. If Stargate turns out to be a wolf, what better way for the second wolf to hide and truly blend in than sacrificing his own. especially if they see no way out

I'm agreeing with this, though. The Big Boss has been constantly making pushes and declaring things without any evidence, and calls anyone who disagrees scummy.

Kirikoe

Kirikoe

I have not hidden my suspicion of the big boss at all this entire time and have supplied adequate reasonings. My other suspicion is still Stargate so my vote may still sway. What Rohan and Gutsy decide is based on their own deductions.

I still find Rohan on the fence myself, while Gutsy has appeared more town to me.

It will be interesting to see how this next vote goes, I think things will shift for the better from that point on.

There are a lot of hmms for not a lot of context. I believe the posts you keep posting are the ones of my suspicions of Rohan and Gutsy at the time.

Gutsy being a new player and my friend IRL likes to take shots towards me, which I am sure people have taken seriously as well.

Would you care to explain what you are thinking?

It was a pack I did consider at one point.

However there are many possible combinations. Right now I think Stargate is a definite choice

Those are some absolutes you be spouting, I don't deal in absolutes.

For now all we can do is see how things take us. I am willing to cooperate with everyone until we know for sure.

Final vote count of Day 3

Ekko: Stargate>Stargate
Rohan: TheBigBoss
Waluigi: AnimePigeon>Waluigi>Stargate
TheBigBoss: AnimePigeon>Unvote>Stargate>Stargate>Stargate>Stargate>Stargate
Gutsy: TheBigBoss
Naomi: Waluigi>Ekko>Unvote>Waluigi
Kirikoe: TheBigBoss
AnimePigeon: TheBigBoss
Stargate: TheBigBoss

Votes	Votes	Voters
5	TheBigBoss	Rohan, Gutsy, Kirikoe, AnimePigeon, Stargate
3	Stargate	Elko, TheBigBoss, Waluigi
1	Waluigi	Naomi

Damn! That was something.

@Naomi_

This is now proof enough that you are 100% town. I am happy to discuss and proceed as you think.

I really thought 'The Big Boss' was increidbly sus, I am surprised to learn he was town. I guess you do get those odd neighbours...

What are your current thoughts?

I believe that you are town, naomi is town and i dont feel confident voting for stargate as they are claimed doctor. and I also have a hard time seeing you as a wolf at the moment.

I am more leaning towards Kirikoe if i have to pick between us five.

I have been out the loop a bit since this day has started it seems, thank you for all the tags I started Uni yesterday so my time was cut a lot.

I can understand why people would still suspect me, but I would like to know peoples reasoning for it, I have addressed most, if not all concerns towards me with an open attitude. If your concerns happen to be the same as what I have already addressed then I don't know what you want from me as proof. On the other hand, if you are leaning towards me just cause vibes then I fear there is no changing your mind.

Moving on anyways.

For me there is no clear path right now, But I do know Naomi is safe, It would be wise to try and protect Naomi as much as possible at this point since she is the only solid lead we have.

Stargate is still 100% sus to me. They were going to be my next pick should TBB proved innocent. Being told if your power (if you have one) works or not seems iffy to me.

My suspicions are leaning towards Ekko and Rohan. However, I am not sure if it can be both since Ekko is pushing towards me, Rohan, and gutsy.

If my Rohan suspicion is correct, then that most likely places Ekko towards being a townie.

I think Waluigi, Rohan or Waluigi, Ekko could be a combination.




This is why claiming an important role early is so dangerous. This could very well be a wolf who everyone suspects, but is faar to afraid to act being of the sheer possibility. This leaves us to act too late. We all had a suspicion towards Tiara/Stargate from the beginning, and even after the claim the suspicion is still there. The fact they have been allowed to be alive this long and the wolf team not acting towards them seeing this is suspicious.

Stargate would be my number 1 pick at this point.

I am still re-evaluating the rest of you other than Naomi who is 100% approved.

To be fair I am starting to lean toward Stargate, but I am also still sus about Rohan and Ekko.

But again I want Naomis take on it, i also know that AnimePigeon and Naomi was pointing fingers very strongly at Waluigi for a slip up and saying that he is super sus.

Open the spoiler please, and expand every quote.

 

[Waluigi]

Vote: Kirikoe

Summary-

1. for faking that you were a powerful town role
2. for revealing TMI that you know both shots on n1 came from the wolf team, both of which accused you
3. for revealing TMI that the wolf team CAN STEAL POWERS FROM TOWN.
4. for doubting the cop claimant, the only cop claimant, because I can't scan myself, and implying I should have scanned you. I can't do that if you steal my cop powers from me.
5. Claiming to suspect basically everyone, depending on where everyone else suspects. And then NOT following through the next day. You don't actually suspect anyone, you vote whoever is vulnerable.

@Michelle

I am aware I bolded a lot above, this is my legal vote. Please note it and disregard all bolded elsewhere.



Kirikoe, you are caught. You played a fantastic game, but you slipped and revealed you're a wolf.

Everyone please review my evidence very carefully.

The dead are screaming that this is a wolf.

@Rohan
@Ekkologix

You need to wake up and see this person has not suspected you legitimately.

If you defend this person after they haven't even given reasons why you're a wolf and keep implying you are and keep threatening to vote you, then if you are town I cannot save you from yourself.

Ekko in particular is also unpaired with Kirikoe. So Ekkologix, if Kirikoe flips wolf today, you are clear, based on earlier analysis.

But I don't know if I can get you to see it, because you're liable to just vote your town reads, as you have all game whenever they're vulnerable.

I can't work with that, either defend your town reads and have real beliefs, or don't.

@Stargate18

I continue to insist there is a wolf between you and Kirikoe. This is my determination.

If you do not help me here, then I cannot explain why you're still alive.

There's no reason for you to be if Kirikoe is town. None.

 

[Waluigi]

I am spent.

I am still in need to rest, I did everything I could. I exposed a wolf.

Can we rally together and eliminate this wolf, please. One wolf, and we can try again the next day.

If I am correct, stargate is probably out of shots and I just get murdered tonight.

Then Naomi is free to destroy within the remaining 2 wolves.

@Naomi_

please remember my analysis- Ekkologix should not be a wolf with Kirikoe, so that means you and Ekkologix should both be considered clear tomorrow.

You need only 1 more townie to win the game. Choose wisely.

 

[Waluigi]

I am still feeling poorly. I ask that my teammates read my case work and vote accordingly.

I will be in bed now.

 

[Lucidus]

Here is the section where you implied you were powerful @Kirikoe



















This implies that the previous posts I just highlighted are supposed to make people back off of suspecting kirikoe, in other words, IMPLYING that they're a town Power Role.




Also the above implies that Kirikoe knows for a fact that both shots came from the wolf team.

This is wolfy TMI.



This kind of speculation doesn't come from vanilla townies. It comes from someone who has some kind of knowledge of the mechanics of the game.

There is no way for a vanilla townie to speculate that the wolves can "USE HIM AGAINST US" unless Kirikoe is the person who is aware the wolf team has the ability to steal powers from townies and use them against us.




Then explain the above posts.



Because wolves never directly murder the people accusing them?



Note, the cop cannot come forward and claim they scanned me, because I am the JOAT investigative role, aka, the cop in this game.

And Kirikoe uses the logic that they haven't been scanned and suggests they should have been scanned, and that it would have absolved them of suspicion, yet used the logic that I have not been as reason to doubt my alignment.

Kirikoe uses double standards here, in an actually wolfy manner.


@Naomi_
@Rohan
@Ekkologix
@Stargate18
@Gutsy

I have a lot more. I have a giant, megawall, demonstrating that Kirikoe's suspicions are whatever the thread consensus is, they don't actually have any real beliefs or suspicions.

they say things like Rohan is wolf, and don't follow through, they accuse Ekko, and don't follow through, they accused both masons, they accused me, they accused Stargate as well, and the interactions between Kirikoe and gutsy are either distancing, or Gutsy actually found a wolf way back when but kept backing off for no real reason.

So Kirikoe's list of suspicions includes literally everyone except Naomi, and literally only because of the claim of mason. That's it.

These are not real suspicions and not a real solve. I will demonstrate.

Next, is the wall where I track others' suspicions of Kirikoe, and Kirikoe's suspicions.

I will post it without commentary, please read it in full.

Open the spoiler please, and expand every quote.

Vote: Kirikoe

Summary-

1. for faking that you were a powerful town role
2. for revealing TMI that you know both shots on n1 came from the wolf team, both of which accused you
3. for revealing TMI that the wolf team CAN STEAL POWERS FROM TOWN.
4. for doubting the cop claimant, the only cop claimant, because I can't scan myself, and implying I should have scanned you. I can't do that if you steal my cop powers from me.
5. Claiming to suspect basically everyone, depending on where everyone else suspects. And then NOT following through the next day. You don't actually suspect anyone, you vote whoever is vulnerable.

@Michelle

I am aware I bolded a lot above, this is my legal vote. Please note it and disregard all bolded elsewhere.



Kirikoe, you are caught. You played a fantastic game, but you slipped and revealed you're a wolf.

Everyone please review my evidence very carefully.

The dead are screaming that this is a wolf.

@Rohan
@Ekkologix

You need to wake up and see this person has not suspected you legitimately.

If you defend this person after they haven't even given reasons why you're a wolf and keep implying you are and keep threatening to vote you, then if you are town I cannot save you from yourself.

Ekko in particular is also unpaired with Kirikoe. So Ekkologix, if Kirikoe flips wolf today, you are clear, based on earlier analysis.

But I don't know if I can get you to see it, because you're liable to just vote your town reads, as you have all game whenever they're vulnerable.

I can't work with that, either defend your town reads and have real beliefs, or don't.

@Stargate18

I continue to insist there is a wolf between you and Kirikoe. This is my determination.

If you do not help me here, then I cannot explain why you're still alive.

There's no reason for you to be if Kirikoe is town. None.

This is a lot. Im not even sure I can be bothered to go through all this honestly.

The dragon warrior stuff is me and Gutsy having banter honestly.

I assumed both shots towards Guillo and Elmage did come from wolf.. it couldn't be town could it? While I am used to these style games most of my knowledge comes from DN styled games of which town on town death mechanics did not occur. So in my head there is only Town Vs Wolf. If 2 town died, then the natural thinking is that both shots came from wolves.

To be suspicious of everyone is better than being suspicious of no one. I have been consistent in my accusations, I have only voted for those I truly believe to be sus, I have explained why.

"There is no way for a vanilla townie to speculate that the wolves can "USE HIM AGAINST US" unless Kirikoe is the person who is aware the wolf team has the ability to steal powers from townies and use them against us."

I admire your use of bold and colours to truly catch attention, but I would have expected better still. I will state cleanly what I mean now.

If Stargate is truly town, Wolf team can use them against us by not going for the early kill - This breeds suspicion towards why, if they can engage the town to lynch instead of making the kill themselves then it wastes a lynch against ourselves AND the wolves can still night kill. I use logical thinking and critical thinking for my accusations and comments in this case. I have no special role and you claiming clear banter as facts is sus in itself. You are going for a hard push here when it matters the most. Why get rid of someone who could be attracting attention away from yourselves. It legit comes back to the chinese saying of 'Hiding beneath the tallest trees canopy'

This is the sole reason why I have been hesitant to get rid of Stargate myself and have voted the others that appeared as sus towards me. You can claim you are a role, but just because you say you are, doesn't mean you actually are.

You are clearly more experienced with the game, so using your experience of the roles could be a clear way of fooling everyone. Claims are not solid.

You even reverse my so called double standard here. I actually used my reason as a refute to your own. That is a good way to twist words. truly clever. I made the scanning point to show its not reliable unless someone truly comes forward and states it, and even then claims can never truly be full proof if its fake.

Im not gonna go through much else right now, people can believe what they want. Feel free to vote for me, but you will be getting rid of a town and we will be putting ourselves one step further into the grave for this town.

 

[Lucidus]

Also looking through more of your quotes, you are using clear quotes from Gutsy has already mentioned in later comments he was bantering with me, because we are IRL friends. you should know this already @Waluigi

 

[Gutsy]

looks like some things are being taken out of context. dragon warrior is straight up from amovie its banter and for fun.

Post-flip re-eval → resolving the Doc toDay

I’m changing course here.

• Naomi is conftown; I’m aligning with her read.
• Waluigi’s NK logic + his Kiri case narrows the wolf to {Stargate, Kirikoe}; between them, I’m resolving Stargate first.
• The claim hasn’t cleared SG: EoD3 SG was on the TBB miselim, N-actions are odd/suboptimal, and the N3 “action failed” on AP aligns with either RB or a fake-claim frame, claim alone isn’t enough anymore.

Vote: Stargate

If SG flips Town, I go Ekkologix → Rohan next (in that order).
If SG flips Wolf, we re-check Kiri/Ekko with Naomi and unify.


I’ll consolidate with Naomi at EoD to avoid a split.

 

[Stargate18]

Apologies for the lack of presence so far today. Had less free time than I wanted.

 

[Naomi_]

zero buys on doctor being informed of actions failing

agree.

he was the last person on ap last night who died.

convenient doctor claim.

 

[Stargate18]

Stargate is the claimed Doctor and says his AP protect was roleblocked the same night AP died. That’s a classic RB-the-doc + kill-the-mason play. With no CC, I’m not elim’ing the Doc today unless there’s a hard mech contradiction.

I believe that you are town, naomi is town and i dont feel confident voting for stargate as they are claimed doctor. and I also have a hard time seeing you as a wolf at the moment.

I am more leaning towards Kirikoe if i have to pick between us five.

To be fair I am starting to lean toward Stargate, but I am also still sus about Rohan and Ekko.

Vote: Stargate

If SG flips Town, I go Ekkologix → Rohan next (in that order).
If SG flips Wolf, we re-check Kiri/Ekko with Naomi and unify.

This is a very big turnaround IMO. You went from being confident about not voting me, to scumleaning me but still having the others as a priority, to outright saying I'm the first target for execution.

Also interesting that you come in with this read immediately after Kirikoe gets sussed, and then say that, despite acknowledging Waluigi's case says one of us is a wolf, you won't target Kirikoe if I flip town?

Waluigi has been consistently saying there's 1 wolf between me and Kirikoe - why are you claiming to follow his plan while saying you won't check her if I flip town?