[Game] Naruto Shippuden Mafia Game #43

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Final vote count of Day 3

Ekko
: Stargate>Stargate
Rohan: TheBigBoss
Waluigi: AnimePigeon>Waluigi>Stargate
TheBigBoss: AnimePigeon>Unvote>Stargate>Stargate>Stargate>Stargate>Stargate
Gutsy: TheBigBoss
Naomi: Waluigi>Ekko>Unvote>Waluigi
Kirikoe: TheBigBoss
AnimePigeon: TheBigBoss
Stargate: TheBigBoss

VotesVotesVoters
5TheBigBoss Rohan, Gutsy, Kirikoe, AnimePigeon, Stargate
3StargateElko, TheBigBoss, Waluigi
1WaluigiNaomi


Vote Count 2 of D3 at P#1130

Ekko
: Stargate>Stargate
Rohan: TheBigBoss
Waluigi: AnimePigeon>Waluigi>Stargate
TheBigBoss: AnimePigeon>Unvote>Stargate>Stargate>Stargate>Stargate
Gutsy: TheBigBoss
Naomi: Waluigi>Ekko>Unvote>Waluigi
Kirikoe: TheBigBoss

VotesVotedVoters
3StargateEkko, TheBigBoss, Waluigi
3TheBigBossRohan, Gutsy, Kirikoe
1WaluigiNaomi



Thanks for the Tag! - Only woke up recently

Part of me like the idea of leaving Rng to resolve the vote between The Big Boss & Stargate.

I would say I'm not on the fence, as I maintain that I feel yesterday a better vote would have been The Big Boss, and there content today hasn't been that much better, whereas I have liked some of the more recent discussions promoted from Stargate's posts.

So I shall Vote The Big Boss

Vote The Big Boss

Vote Stargate
 

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Love how now it looks like he might flip, we get him arguing his flip is bad for town, coming up with a read that contradicts your earlier read that me and Ekko were paired, and preflipping me when solving. If this flips town, I'll legitimately be surprised.
It looks more & more like The Big Boss is pairing themselves with Kirikoe.
 

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This day battle ended and again a shinobi is missing...

The Big Boss were
Hatake Kakashi!
With your skills and willpower you don't need more than your vote to defeat your enemies!

You win when there are no threats to town and at least one member of town is alive
My favourite character of Naruto manga!
Thanks for playing @The Big Boss and I hope you enjoyed the game and you will play again with us!


It is night
The night will have 24 hours and your actions are expected one hour before the end of night.

(You can use the count down for Eod3 who is now counting up)
 

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At the end of night

Anime Pigeon is missing, he was
Naruto - As town mason, you have acces a chat to talk about the game behind the scene.

You win when there are no threats to town and at least one member of town is alive.

1. @Rohan
3. @Kirikoe
6. @Gutsy
7. @AnimePigeon
9. @Naomi_
11. @Waluigi
13. @Stargate18
14. @Ekkologix

It is day, you can start posting

 

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I protected AnimePigeon last night, but the action failed. Either it was a strongmanned kill or wolves have an RB.
 

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Damn! That was something.

@Naomi_

This is now proof enough that you are 100% town. I am happy to discuss and proceed as you think.

I really thought 'The Big Boss' was increidbly sus, I am surprised to learn he was town. I guess you do get those odd neighbours...

What are your current thoughts?
 

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oh lord..... im sorry i really thought he was so sus... animepigeon is gone... well that clears out naomi, and i honeslty think waluigi is good.

I dont know what to think
 

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oh lord..... im sorry i really thought he was so sus... animepigeon is gone... well that clears out naomi, and i honeslty think waluigi is good.

I dont know what to think

Identify one player as wolf, each day. This can be difficult, this can be a team effort.

No one player needs the entire solve.

Today, vote for a single wolf, lay out a case why they are a wolf. Bonus points is naming their partners, but this is a very real danger-

suppose townies all named the exact 3 wolves. But voted divided, and squabbled over which one needs to go first. Ive seen stuff like that, in big mishmash games, where the top several candidates are all wolves and town is voting divided on them.

Then the wolf team piled up on the townie with the most votes and thats how wolves won.

So even voting accurately doesnt mean much here. Every townie needs to vote in unison.

There is a townie, in Naomi, known. I will be making my own solve and trying to find wolves, and if in the end Naomi doesnt concur with my solve and votes elsewhere, I vote with Naomi.

I recommend everyone tries to persuade Naomi but in the end, there should be no tug of war. We all vote with Naomi on a suspect.

You can also do the inverse.

You mark down yourself, naomi, and your top town read as town. If that's me, you do have 2 townies in your towncore along with you.

Add one more name, if that player is town, you win, assuming you are town.
 

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No protection given by SG n1
Waluigi Bodyguard SG n1, no shot there.

N2 Ekko was not shot

N3 AP was shot and SG was blocked.

Three nights and SG was never shot, but a different town PR was shot every night.
 

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OK if there were a wolf with a role cop, and they managed to role cop people, it would make sense you could dodge the doctor and hit the town PR.

The issue is, that shouldnt be the case- night one, you usually shoot the doctor and you dont have role cop data yet,

The only person who was claimed PR was SG18, not anyone else who was shot besides AP.

Also a role cop with a role thief is an awful lot of information for a wolf team.

And SG is also claiming to have been BLOCKED, not just stolen from.

A wolf team with a roleblocker, role cop, role thief, that's an awful lot.

Also, unless Elmage changed their mind, the wolf team might have had a 1 shot vigilante of their own.

So, the wolf team would need to have....

1x vigilante shot, minimum
1x role stealing power, minimum
1x roleblock, minimum
And possibly a full role cop or a multi shot role cop.
I also think the wolf team is likely to have at least a 1x doctor protect for themselves, based on all the town flips so far with limited shots, and my own limited shots.

So at least 6 or 7 uses of various powers, spread among 3 wolves.
 

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OK if there were a wolf with a role cop, and they managed to role cop people, it would make sense you could dodge the doctor and hit the town PR.

The issue is, that shouldnt be the case- night one, you usually shoot the doctor and you dont have role cop data yet,

The only person who was claimed PR was SG18, not anyone else who was shot besides AP.

Also a role cop with a role thief is an awful lot of information for a wolf team.

And SG is also claiming to have been BLOCKED, not just stolen from.

A wolf team with a roleblocker, role cop, role thief, that's an awful lot.

Also, unless Elmage changed their mind, the wolf team might have had a 1 shot vigilante of their own.

So, the wolf team would need to have....

1x vigilante shot, minimum
1x role stealing power, minimum
1x roleblock, minimum
And possibly a full role cop or a multi shot role cop.
I also think the wolf team is likely to have at least a 1x doctor protect for themselves, based on all the town flips so far with limited shots, and my own limited shots.

So at least 6 or 7 uses of various powers, spread among 3 wolves.
I can see a world where scum assume, at least for N1, that my slot was bluffing doc, especially given how the information was given by Tiara.

Adding onto that, I can see a world where scum, knowing they have a strongman kill, keep me alive when they notice that I'm a a T/T cross with Big Boss, assuming that if I didn't get eliminated yesterday I'd be an easy push today.
 

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I can see a world where scum assume, at least for N1, that my slot was bluffing doc, especially given how the information was given by Tiara.

Adding onto that, I can see a world where scum, knowing they have a strongman kill, keep me alive when they notice that I'm a a T/T cross with Big Boss, assuming that if I didn't get eliminated yesterday I'd be an easy push today.
Roleblock, sorry. My action failed, it wasn't bypassed.
 

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I want to say things about our current situation from a rational standpoint, without it being taken as an appeal to emotion, so I will measure my words carefully.

I think the mafia have managed to outmaneuver us and divide us pretty well. I also think given how divided we are and how we haven't had a success yet, it's even harder to fight back, because we feel defeated.

There is no longer any margin for error or room to make mistakes. Trust is at its lowest point and so is morale.

I think there's value in emotionally letting go, because it creates the kind of calmness and distance from the situation that helps you examine it rationally.

I also think we have varying styles of play and levels of experience and also cultural expectations on how to play.

Whoever is on the town team we are a hodgepodge of very different people with very different ideas and expectations.

I would rather focus on what we can achieve together, rather than what we haven't yet.

Can we rationally narrow down who is the most likely to be a wolf, and all pull the trigger, together?

We don't have anything left to lose, except the attempt. And an attempt is better than not trying.

This is what I suggest, in concrete terms-

1. You're all aware that Naomi is mechanically, a townie.

2. Resolve my alignment, to the person. Am I town, or am I a wolf?

Please decide, and then vote accordingly if you think I am.

If you don't think I am a wolf, then you have a town pile that has 3 names in it out of 4.

You, me, and Naomi.



You need one more name, but even then, you have a 3 in 4 chance of hitting a wolf if you vote anyone else.

That's pretty good odds, especially, blind.

Will you all do this exercise with me?

It's going to be a little easier for me, because I know I'm town, so I need one name I can trust, and then one more name I can trust.

And failing that, even if we can't come to a consensus based on that,

what if, one person, is scumcased and we all concur that person is a wolf.

doesnt matter what our other leans, fears, or concerns are. We just hit the wolf.

And we do that one day at a time until we win, or we lose.

That's a good game plan, correct?
 

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It is 3am my time and no one is here, so it's a bad hour to be playing anyway

I am still in need of more rest so I will do that and come back.

And I hope to feel well when i wake and to see more activity then, and hopefully you have responded to the above exercise

And if we are resolving into me today I warmly thank you for the chance you gave me to flip my suspect, which... so far, I got Hunty, which was bad. Because the wolves definitely piled onto that.

But I got one of the three eliminations so far so it's at least partly on me. I apologize for not being able to read Hunty, and I even said I thought they weren't a wolf on day one and I should have held onto that feeling. Because wolves generally dont thank bunches of posts and not care that they're about to die.

That was the tip off and I should have stuck to my guns on that, i let a town read of mine die because I got paranoid.

I either convince Naomi to hit someone, or I hit someone with Naomi leading. Definitely will just salute and follow her lead since there's no option to be divided anymore.
 
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