[Game] Naruto Shippuden Mafia Game #43

[The Big Boss]

I still like gutsy outside the game lol

 

[Gutsy]

Im not gonna do any betting, why i work in that industry in real life. I know the house always wins. Why would i risk anything i dont have to.

Anyways I have made my case.

 

[Gutsy]

I have nothing against anyone in here

 

[The Big Boss]

Im not gonna do any betting, why i work in that industry in real life. I know the house always wins. Why would i risk anything i dont have to.

Anyways I have made my case.

My point is your not 100% sure.

 

[Gutsy]

My point is your not 100% sure.

You can never be a 100% sure anyone is a wolf or town, it is a guessing game, people have strategies, lies and deception is part of the game. and your aggressive posts, your force of telling everyone is scum if they are not with you is part of what draws me towards you.

 

[Gutsy]

But regardless of that i have made my case and i know i shouldnt only look at you because there are many players, many potential wolves.

 

[Waluigi]

its good to hear youre both okay with each other.

thanks for at least reassuring me of that.

typing is hard while laying down but wanted to say that

 

[The Big Boss]

You can never be a 100% sure anyone is a wolf or town, it is a guessing game, people have strategies, lies and deception is part of the game. and your aggressive posts, your force of telling everyone is scum if they are not with you is part of what draws me towards you.

@Naomi_

 

[AnimePigeon]

@Gutsy @AnimePigeon @Naomi_

You're the folks undecided on Big Boss versus Stargate.

is there a wolf contained within those two names, and if so, which one is more likely?

If the third alternative, me, is chosen today, we hit a townie. I will just leave a legacy if so.

Thanks for the Tag! - Only woke up recently

Part of me like the idea of leaving Rng to resolve the vote between The Big Boss & Stargate.

I would say I'm not on the fence, as I maintain that I feel yesterday a better vote would have been The Big Boss, and there content today hasn't been that much better, whereas I have liked some of the more recent discussions promoted from Stargate's posts.

So I shall Vote The Big Boss

 

[AnimePigeon]

Just got some chores to resolve then I shall be diving back into things here.

 

[Waluigi]

On the off chance folks decided to hide their powers today-

If anyone has any mech remaining, ability to scan, roleblock, jailkeep, track, watch, anything.

Please scan whoever survives the tie today, or me.
Please roleblock whoever survives the tie today, or me.
Please jailkeep whoever survives the tie today, or me, or one of the claimed masons.
Please track someone named rohan or me or ekkologix or kirikoe or gutsy.
Please watch one of the claimed masons.

Stargate, protect one of the claimed masons.

 

[Waluigi]

As mentioned, I am all out of powers.

You can track me and I will go nowhere. But if you need to confirm that, do so.

 

[Waluigi]

@AnimePigeon @Naomi_

Not everyone claimed, and while some of those scenarios are farfetched, there's still utility in asking.

Reason- suppose there's a jailkeeper 1 shot out there, randomly, still in play, and it's not stargate.
Suppose stargate is a wolf, claiming protective.

Okay, what if the 1 shot jailkeeper (it roleblocks and protects at the same time) were to protect one of you masons.
And then Stargate is asked to protect the other mason.

If something happens to you overnight, then whoever claims jailer, or protector, will need to answer for it tomorrow.

So, even if one of the protections is from a wolf, they still need to not shoot you, or they're outed.

Make sense?

So, we could have stargate protecting a specific one of you, publicly known, and then, if anyone has a protect, or a watcher power, or a jailkeep, they could cover the other.

Because you're the priorities for the wolves to kill, so that would make it possible for town to stop that, or catch the wolf in the act of murder.

You just decide which mason gets protected, tell stargate to protect that person, and then, the other powers as mentioned above, could be on the other mason, coordinated, without the person having to claim.

So if someone claimed no powers today and were lying, or if someone who didnt claim has powers, this works.

You rubber stamp this idea and tell us which mason to have stargate protect and which mason the other hypothetical powers cover.

 

[Waluigi]

If you are town and stole my motion detect, use it on someone in kirikoe-gutsy-rohan-ekkologix

If you detect motion, report it at start of day tomorrow.

 

[Ekkologix]

I'm waiting on Stargate's response to my inquiry, and then, I also have to ask Big Boss stuff.

Frankly Big Boss has been so open and expressive of their feelings and solve, that I don't have a ton of questions that wouldn't be answered just by reading his posts.

It's gotten to the point where even his laconic, short sentence, non-elaboration style (which reminds me of Rohan's style, a LOT) has overcome, simply by posting so much that I can follow the solve process the whole game.

I may be able to just fill in the blanks.

Um

@Gutsy

Spoiler: Gutsy

I remember off the top of my head you posted your leans and solve earlier. Just to save myself some time I will ask you if you have evidence or post numbers to refer to which help me understand your suspect leans.

That way, I'm doing my diligence on you and it doesnt get lost in the shuffle.

If you have time, can you remind me why you suspect the folks you do, and elaborate as much as possible.

@Rohan

Spoiler: rohan

I feel that you may have switched to pocketing me.

One of the issues I have with you is that you, like Big Boss, speak in shorter sentences that dont elaborate too much.

You also speak in absolutes a lot, where people are just town or wolf and they're conclusions, that you repeat, and sometimes change, but it's hard to engage with just conclusions.

Can you elaborate more on your reasons?

@Ekkologix

Spoiler: ekko

I noticed that the moment I became vulnerable to being voted, you were all too eager to toss me in the dumpster.

Can you explain why I was such an easy villager read before, and then so disposable so suddenly, and now, you're voting elsewhere.

What's going on bud. Where do you really stand on me and are you going to be a fair weather friend, or actually defend me if you think I'm town?

If you and I go into endgame and I think you're town but you think I'm a wolf, thats not going to win for town. So we either solve each other in a stable manner or I have to vote you tomorrow at minimum.

i couldn't rationalize you folding to the masons in the manner you did but thanks for explaining it was more of a reaction test to gather claims + you never seen a mason fake claim in 14 years

if u aren't aligned with stargate and the mason are town then his teammates are among rohan/gutsy/kiriko. 2 of which ive been clearing so i feel like shit

conveniently, all 3 are also voting on big boss. oh boy

 

[Lucidus]

There seems to be a lot to catch up on... Sigh.

I need a TLDR. lmao

I will go and check what has come up, at this point im not even sure I can present any new information that I haven't already mentioned so lets see if I have a reason to change my vote instead

 

[Lucidus]

i couldn't rationalize you folding to the masons in the manner you did but thanks for explaining it was more of a reaction test to gather claims + you never seen a mason fake claim in 14 years

if u aren't aligned with stargate and the mason are town then his teammates are among rohan/gutsy/kiriko. 2 of which ive been clearing so i feel like shit

conveniently, all 3 are also voting on big boss. oh boy

I have not hidden my suspicion of the big boss at all this entire time and have supplied adequate reasonings. My other suspicion is still Stargate so my vote may still sway. What Rohan and Gutsy decide is based on their own deductions.

I still find Rohan on the fence myself, while Gutsy has appeared more town to me.

It will be interesting to see how this next vote goes, I think things will shift for the better from that point on.

 

[AnimePigeon]

@AnimePigeon @Naomi_

Not everyone claimed, and while some of those scenarios are farfetched, there's still utility in asking.

Reason- suppose there's a jailkeeper 1 shot out there, randomly, still in play, and it's not stargate.
Suppose stargate is a wolf, claiming protective.

Okay, what if the 1 shot jailkeeper (it roleblocks and protects at the same time) were to protect one of you masons.
And then Stargate is asked to protect the other mason.

If something happens to you overnight, then whoever claims jailer, or protector, will need to answer for it tomorrow.

So, even if one of the protections is from a wolf, they still need to not shoot you, or they're outed.

Make sense?

So, we could have stargate protecting a specific one of you, publicly known, and then, if anyone has a protect, or a watcher power, or a jailkeep, they could cover the other.

Because you're the priorities for the wolves to kill, so that would make it possible for town to stop that, or catch the wolf in the act of murder.

You just decide which mason gets protected, tell stargate to protect that person, and then, the other powers as mentioned above, could be on the other mason, coordinated, without the person having to claim.

So if someone claimed no powers today and were lying, or if someone who didnt claim has powers, this works.

You rubber stamp this idea and tell us which mason to have stargate protect and which mason the other hypothetical powers cover.

Your suggestion does make sense - but for Wolves in general it just makes it all the more clear they should nightkill others, if there is a higher probability of both me & Naomi being protected - but I do see your point & I don't think it's a bad plan/idea, I just think the flaw is whilst it could potentially save both of us, it likely would lead to a situation of a uncleared townie biting the dust too soon, only further muddying the water - as it's nonsensical for any Wolf's to bet against coordinated protects on Mason's.

Plus, the Mason's aren't necessarily a high value target - other roles would be much more pressing a concern for them to steal a power from, or remove from the game.

 

[AnimePigeon]

Also @Ekkologix hello!

I don't believe I've had chance to interact with you in thread, other than non-direct loose suspicion of you

 

[Waluigi]

Your suggestion does make sense - but for Wolves in general it just makes it all the more clear they should nightkill others, if there is a higher probability of both me & Naomi being protected - but I do see your point & I don't think it's a bad plan/idea, I just think the flaw is whilst it could potentially save both of us, it likely would lead to a situation of a uncleared townie biting the dust too soon, only further muddying the water - as it's nonsensical for any Wolf's to bet against coordinated protects on Mason's.

Plus, the Mason's aren't necessarily a high value target - other roles would be much more pressing a concern for them to steal a power from, or remove from the game.

Alright it was just an idea. I have no idea if there's more mech in play.

If there is, I prefer to utilize it in nasty surprise fashion to force the wolves to make a suboptimal night kill.

Like me!