[Game] Naruto Shippuden Mafia Game #43

[Rohan]

I am shocked. I thought that boss was a wolf. At this point I do not have any more leads. I think I am going to vote according to naomi.

 

[Ekkologix]

Roleblock, sorry. My action failed, it wasn't bypassed.

zero buys on doctor being informed of actions failing

 

[Ekkologix]

stargate luigi and one of rohan/kiriko is the team

 

[Waluigi]

stargate luigi and one of rohan/kiriko is the team

You included my name in this, and I am town.

Should I vote you now?

 

[Waluigi]

Ekkologix's solve right now is

Naomi- mason
Ekkologix- self
Gutsy (by default)
coin flip on Kirikoe and Rohan for the final townie

Excluding me, a townie, from the town pile.

Please explain these town reads on Gutsy, Kirikoe, and Rohan in as much detail as possible.

 

[Gutsy]

Okay well to be honest my town read now is Naomi 100%, and I think I would put waluigi and kiri in that pile too. But I will look more into it.

this is really tough now in my head

 

[Gutsy]

Post-flip reset (owning my miss): I tunneled TBB and was wrong. Resetting with the new info.

• Naomi is confirmed town via the mason link with AP (who died N3).
• Stargate is the claimed Doctor and says his AP protect was roleblocked the same night AP died. That’s a classic RB-the-doc + kill-the-mason play. With no CC, I’m not elim’ing the Doc today unless there’s a hard mech contradiction.

Where I’m at today: Ekkologix > Rohan > Kirikoe.

Why Ekko first: He’s been pushing the PR side and today flatly dismissed that a Doctor can be told when blocked. Many setups do inform the Doc on RB; waving that away + painting both PRs (SG & Waluigi) inside a wolf world feels agenda-driven. I want him to actually build worlds and commit to an order.

Rohan: On the TBB miselim and then immediately floated “I’ll just follow Naomi.” That’s abdication of agency after a miselim. I need the exact posts that moved you TBB over SG at EoD3 and your “if-wrong” plan.

Kirikoe: Also on TBB. Tone’s cooperative, but at this game state I still need EoD receipts for why TBB over SG.

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Please Respond with Receipts:
@Waluigi Can you please give me a full JOAT dump, what powers you have/had, what you used N1-N3, targets and outcomes.

@Ekkologix Name two setups where Docs arent told they were Roleblocked. Then build two trios, one where SG is town and one where SG is wolf. Give your vote order in each and one partner interaction your basing it on.

@Rohan quoe the two posts that moved you onto TBB over SG at end of day 3. If im wrong today, who is your first push tomorrow and why? i need you to stop letting go of your agency and actually do something productive.

@Kirikoe Honestly been laying it low for now on you, but id like for you to link or quote or tell me your timed end of day reasoning for going for TBB and not SG. Also between Rohan and Ekko, who flips first, and what exact post makes you decide?

My current suspicions are Ekko and Rohan. Whatever happens i am looking at those two, but I will also be consolidating with Naomi as i dont want town to split end of day. Also i will not vote the claimed Doc today without reasoning.

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My read list:

Town:
Naomi: confirmed via Mason with animepigeon
Stargate: claimed doctor, night 3 said action failed, roleblocked on Animepigeon the night animepigeon died, no counterclaim.
Waluigi (town lean): claimed JOAT, doing transparent mech accounting and coordinating unity.

Wolf:
Ekkologix, discrediting Docs roleblock info and packing both waluigi and stargate into one wolf world, consistent pressure.

Rohan: On TBB mis elimination, then pivoted to follow naomi without receipts, needs to justify end of day 3 choices.

Kirikoe (swing): also on TBB like me, cooperative tone but i need more info to be fair.

 

[Waluigi]

Okay well to be honest my town read now is Naomi 100%, and I think I would put waluigi and kiri in that pile too. But I will look more into it.

this is really tough now in my head

@Naomi
Waluigi
@Kirikoe
@Gutsy

is your town pile, leaving

@Stargate18
@Ekkologic
@Rohan

As the exact wolf team.


Okay, Gutsy, you're proposing a solve I can't disprove. I will need to check it by looking for unpairings.

In my notes, however, I marked down Ekko and Rohan as being unpaired. So I gotta check and see why I thought that. If theyre unpaired then that solve is wrong, still, but I will get back to you on why i thought so.

I actually was an idiot and overwrote some of my notes. So I'm missing a lot of my notes from day 1, where I did a bunch of unpairing work already. But I need to reconstruct it.

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It's easy to answer your JOAT mech question though, I had a bodyguard 1 shot I used n1 on stargate, which would have killed me if stargate was shot at that night.

I also had a track that I used N2 on Animepigeon and AP went nowhere, but I wanted AP to confirm they went nowhere.

I also had a motion detect that I never used, but was stolen from me on night 2.

So, since no one claimed that, the wolves have a motion detect that they stole from me, and they also have the power to steal powers.

That's going by memory and I am medicated, so if I'm misremembering, my bad. I'm pretty sure thats all right, though.

 

[Rohan]

Post-flip reset (owning my miss): I tunneled TBB and was wrong. Resetting with the new info.

• Naomi is confirmed town via the mason link with AP (who died N3).
• Stargate is the claimed Doctor and says his AP protect was roleblocked the same night AP died. That’s a classic RB-the-doc + kill-the-mason play. With no CC, I’m not elim’ing the Doc today unless there’s a hard mech contradiction.

Where I’m at today: Ekkologix > Rohan > Kirikoe.

Why Ekko first: He’s been pushing the PR side and today flatly dismissed that a Doctor can be told when blocked. Many setups do inform the Doc on RB; waving that away + painting both PRs (SG & Waluigi) inside a wolf world feels agenda-driven. I want him to actually build worlds and commit to an order.

Rohan: On the TBB miselim and then immediately floated “I’ll just follow Naomi.” That’s abdication of agency after a miselim. I need the exact posts that moved you TBB over SG at EoD3 and your “if-wrong” plan.

Kirikoe: Also on TBB. Tone’s cooperative, but at this game state I still need EoD receipts for why TBB over SG.

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Please Respond with Receipts:
@Waluigi Can you please give me a full JOAT dump, what powers you have/had, what you used N1-N3, targets and outcomes.

@Ekkologix Name two setups where Docs arent told they were Roleblocked. Then build two trios, one where SG is town and one where SG is wolf. Give your vote order in each and one partner interaction your basing it on.

@Rohan quoe the two posts that moved you onto TBB over SG at end of day 3. If im wrong today, who is your first push tomorrow and why? i need you to stop letting go of your agency and actually do something productive.

@Kirikoe Honestly been laying it low for now on you, but id like for you to link or quote or tell me your timed end of day reasoning for going for TBB and not SG. Also between Rohan and Ekko, who flips first, and what exact post makes you decide?

My current suspicions are Ekko and Rohan. Whatever happens i am looking at those two, but I will also be consolidating with Naomi as i dont want town to split end of day. Also i will not vote the claimed Doc today without reasoning.

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My read list:

Town:
Naomi: confirmed via Mason with animepigeon
Stargate: claimed doctor, night 3 said action failed, roleblocked on Animepigeon the night animepigeon died, no counterclaim.
Waluigi (town lean): claimed JOAT, doing transparent mech accounting and coordinating unity.

Wolf:
Ekkologix, discrediting Docs roleblock info and packing both waluigi and stargate into one wolf world, consistent pressure.

Rohan: On TBB mis elimination, then pivoted to follow naomi without receipts, needs to justify end of day 3 choices.

Kirikoe (swing): also on TBB like me, cooperative tone but i need more info to be fair.

I never suspected Stargate. He claimed doctor very early on as Tiara. I voted hom because Boss has wolfy posts. I have run out of wolf reads so it is best to follow the reads of the confirmed townie.

 

[Waluigi]

@Kirikoe
@Stargate18

Spoiler: talking to you

I still have issue, where I think the murders this game only make sense if you two contain a wolf.

I forget which night it was, night 1 murder, or night 2 murder or both, but my memory fragment from yesterday is that I had a solve where one of you two has to be a wolf.

Because the murders just don't make sense because I was suspecting- Elmage I believe and Elmage was suspecting, you two, both of you if I remember right.

So for the 4 of us to all be townies, you don't shoot into that a lot. Because, that's a ton of town on town suspicion.

You shoot into that a lot if you're sure there's a town PR there, but this was day one, and elmage didnt claim PR and stargate's slot did.

So the shot it just doesnt make sense unless kiri is a wolf or stargate is.

I know this wasn't resolved earlier but it was never disproven and it still is an issue for me.

And I get it, if I'm suspecting the wrong person, or if I'm suspecting 2 wrong people here.

I dont think for example wolf stargate leaves me alive when im the main pusher of stargate is a wolf and also, ive got a bodyguard semi counterclaim going on.

Also, I'm literally the only claimed cop in the game. *shrug* and do you take my word for it that I dont have more investigations? That's pretty ballsy unless the wolf team knows for a fact all my powers got stolen.

And if you both are town, then Gutsy, above, is putting on a clinic looking like a townie.

And I don't see room in my town for all those names.

I got Naomi, sure.

I can put gutsy, and one of you two, maximum, in my town. If I believe gutsy.

What's your stance here, Big Boss went down swinging saying it's stargate.

If it's not stargate, then my solve is me+naomi+stargate and then I have to pick one of gutsy, or kirikoe.

Because I think that's right but I gotta check.

Is there a wolf we all agree on?

Do you think the other names are town.

Stargate there's no claimed cop but me, obviously I'm town investigative JOAT, why does your role exist if I have a bodyguard power as well?

I felt like, it was super important that I protect you night one because you were forced to claim on day one, and you claimed a doctor power.

Obviously, youre going to get shot at if that's the case. And since I was JOAT I didnt think it meant a danged thing that you claimed a full doctor because bodyguard just dies.

So I lose cop checks if I die protecting you. But that's what I did and you never died.

Kirikoe, on the other hand, was hinting bigly all game that they were a big badass role, and then claimed vanilla at the end of all that which is fine, but I feel like that can be a wolf preparing a claim or counterclaim and it never happened.

So I think again one of you two is a wolf.

I would like, if you believe that is the case, to please crossvote.

If you don't think that's the case, then get me on board.

Because I'm town and just obviously so by setup. There's no investigators except me, I thought I was the weak investigator because I'm joat and a track doesn't do much and a motion detect is even worse.

I have this hodgepodge of nearly useless stuff. The bodyguard, weak as it is, was my most powerful gimmick because it would have cleared stargate immediately since WHO ELSE would I be protecting?

If I die after stargate claims doc, and then I die without claiming, but flip bodyguard, you all know I was protecting stargate. thats the only logical person to protect!

So thats why i did it that way, with the bodyguard first and the tracking later.

Besides, I felt I would be protected n1 because I asked and then, I would bluff not having a power and live to day 3.

So I felt I was okay. But maybe I got role copped or something, because I hinted I needed to be protected so even when i said I had no powers, I still got them stolen from me.

Makes sense.

Work through this logic with me. Make sure I'm lucid, because I don't know that I am, I cant get to sleep and my meds are still kicking.

Do you think Kirikoe is a wolf, do you think stargate is a wolf. Do you think I am a wolf.

If you think we three are the townies then Naomi is the 4th and I dont think thats the solve because the murders dont make sense.

It would also make Gutsy a wolf. So I don't think that's right.

But help me out here. what's your thinking.

 

[Gutsy]

Waluigi thanks for the clarity.

• Naomi is conftown. I’m fine town-leaning you off the JOAT details.
• I’m not elim’ing Stargate toDay without a CC, Doc claim + N3 “action failed” when AP died fits RB+kill.

@Rohan
outside Naomi’s confirmed town, can you give me one concrete wolf suspect for today and your “if I’m wrong, tomorrow I push ___ because ___” plan ? we need to try and figure it out rather than just giving up and saying i follow this person.

One more thing: do you agree or disagree with Ekko’s stance that a Doctor wouldn’t be told their action failed due to RB? A quick yes/no + why will help me place your worldbuilding.

 

[Waluigi]

Waluigi thanks for the clarity.

• Naomi is conftown. I’m fine town-leaning you off the JOAT details.
• I’m not elim’ing Stargate toDay without a CC, Doc claim + N3 “action failed” when AP died fits RB+kill.

@Rohan
outside Naomi’s confirmed town, can you give me one concrete wolf suspect for today and your “if I’m wrong, tomorrow I push ___ because ___” plan ? we need to try and figure it out rather than just giving up and saying i follow this person.

One more thing: do you agree or disagree with Ekko’s stance that a Doctor wouldn’t be told their action failed due to RB? A quick yes/no + why will help me place your worldbuilding.

You had kirikoe as town.

Me, you, kirikoe, stargate, and naomi, contains a wolf by brute force.

Who are you willing to vote?

 

[Gutsy]

I’m with you on the general logic. Before I move, I want more from the others. @Waluigi

I think i will hold off for now and I will need to see what people say before i decide on more, and I want to ensure i consolidate with Naomi and see what she thinks as well.

 

[Waluigi]

@Gutsy, as long as you make sense, I'm on board.

I just am slightly wary that you've played a very good wolf game and I want to be sure your solve doesn't contain an error, before I proceed with it.

I'm about to try to get more sleep again, as a heads up, but even if I am medicated I should be able to bust out my unpairings and pairings process here and solve it out.

I mainly want to know this- are you open minded enough to change a town read to a wolf read, and vice versa, if shown the evidence.

Because I mainly need to know if you're a juror still in play, or a wolf, or a townie that I can't convince of anything. One of those three is helpful to me.

In exchange, I guarantee you, everyone besides me and Naomi are people I am willing to discuss.

I may need to be convinced, schmoozed, whatever, show me the goods, if you do that then I may be willing to lay down my defense of someone, because if you're convincing me then I have no more desire to defend someone who may be wolfy, because then I agree with you.

But yeah. The screen's getting blurry and it's hard for me to remember what I said at the end of the sentence, I start daydreaming and I can't finish the sentence so that's my cue that I have no more work in me that I can do right now aoso i got to be in nn bed right now

but i wil, come back and help

 

[Waluigi]

I’m with you on the general logic. Before I move, I want more from the others. @Waluigi

I think i will hold off for now and I will need to see what people say before i decide on more, and I want to ensure i consolidate with Naomi and see what she thinks as well.

ok stthat s sounds good

 

[Waluigi]

wish me luck geting sleep because i need more than 2 hours of it at a time

 

[Gutsy]

You had kirikoe as town.

Me, you, kirikoe, stargate, and naomi, contains a wolf by brute force.

Who are you willing to vote?

I believe that you are town, naomi is town and i dont feel confident voting for stargate as they are claimed doctor. and I also have a hard time seeing you as a wolf at the moment.

I am more leaning towards Kirikoe if i have to pick between us five.

 

[Rohan]

Waluigi thanks for the clarity.

• Naomi is conftown. I’m fine town-leaning you off the JOAT details.
• I’m not elim’ing Stargate toDay without a CC, Doc claim + N3 “action failed” when AP died fits RB+kill.

@Rohan
outside Naomi’s confirmed town, can you give me one concrete wolf suspect for today and your “if I’m wrong, tomorrow I push ___ because ___” plan ? we need to try and figure it out rather than just giving up and saying i follow this person.

One more thing: do you agree or disagree with Ekko’s stance that a Doctor wouldn’t be told their action failed due to RB? A quick yes/no + why will help me place your worldbuilding.

I think Stargate is wolfy (reasons below), then Kirikoe.

Thanks for that, I completely missed Stargate's claim.

Doctor would not be informed that their protect was blocked or bypassed. Otherwise the Doctor will know that a roleblocker or strongman exists. This would give the doctor an indirect investigative power which will affect the balance of the game.

Stargate's slip is very telling. It means that they are lying about their powers.

It is also interesting that Tiara claimed the moment a pressure vote was placed on them. The doctor has failed to protect so many townies in the night. I have to admit that I might have fallen for the false doctor claim.

 

[Lucidus]

I have been out the loop a bit since this day has started it seems, thank you for all the tags I started Uni yesterday so my time was cut a lot.

I can understand why people would still suspect me, but I would like to know peoples reasoning for it, I have addressed most, if not all concerns towards me with an open attitude. If your concerns happen to be the same as what I have already addressed then I don't know what you want from me as proof. On the other hand, if you are leaning towards me just cause vibes then I fear there is no changing your mind.

Moving on anyways.

For me there is no clear path right now, But I do know Naomi is safe, It would be wise to try and protect Naomi as much as possible at this point since she is the only solid lead we have.

Stargate is still 100% sus to me. They were going to be my next pick should TBB proved innocent. Being told if your power (if you have one) works or not seems iffy to me.

My suspicions are leaning towards Ekko and Rohan. However, I am not sure if it can be both since Ekko is pushing towards me, Rohan, and gutsy.

If my Rohan suspicion is correct, then that most likely places Ekko towards being a townie.

I think Waluigi, Rohan or Waluigi, Ekko could be a combination.

I believe that you are town, naomi is town and i dont feel confident voting for stargate as they are claimed doctor.

This is why claiming an important role early is so dangerous. This could very well be a wolf who everyone suspects, but is faar to afraid to act being of the sheer possibility. This leaves us to act too late. We all had a suspicion towards Tiara/Stargate from the beginning, and even after the claim the suspicion is still there. The fact they have been allowed to be alive this long and the wolf team not acting towards them seeing this is suspicious.

Stargate would be my number 1 pick at this point.

I am still re-evaluating the rest of you other than Naomi who is 100% approved.

 

[Gutsy]

To be fair I am starting to lean toward Stargate, but I am also still sus about Rohan and Ekko.