Can a perfect jinchuriki break/avoid Tsukuyomi?

[Trúth]

Well what info could Obito have given Sasuke about Danzo? He didn't know he had Izanagi.

It just seems like a convenient excuse that he was only testing him. He obviously needed him to succeed in his task.

You're right that he didn't know about Izanagi, but after years of spying on the leaf and it's leaders I find it hard to believe he knew nothing about Danzo's abilities he could share. I also fall back to the point of not even bothering to give a description of Danzo.

Call it what you will, but it is a possibility. And Obito was confident Sasuke would succeed regardless as seen when he vouched for Sasuke before the remaining Akatsuki. ​

 

[LORD MADARA SOLO GOD]

why was Bee in Ifininte tsukyomi then? It's a genjutsu

that dont work in LORD MADARA case that is why

 

[Chie]

Avoid? Yes, if they can avoid eye contact and utilize sensory abilities, than anyone has a shot at avoiding it.

Break? No. If it's desired by Itachi, he can make it last one second in real life. The tailed beast wouldn't even have time to react in breaking out their host before the damage would be inflicted. It's far above a regular genjutsu and is probably the most ideal for interrogation/combat purposes out of the MS genjutsus.

But you shouldn't have made those poll options. Simple "yes" and "no" options would have sufficed. Current Naruto wins just by avoiding eye contact all together, he wouldn't ever look into Itachi's eyes and when Edo Itachi came along he was even cautious to avoid that. Naruto and Itachi himself both warned Bee to avoid eye contact.

 

[V h o]

He said ''and maybe 4th Mizukage Yagura and Bee'' why would he be unsure about Bee too?

Yagura has the maybe though, even assuming that he did include both Bee and Yagura, Bee proves his perfect jin status while Yagura's perfect jin status is based solely on this maybe.

 

[Vapid]

[/I]1265]If even Asuma noticed when Itachi casted it then obviously a Biju would before then.
And even if Tsukiyomi happened instantly, so does everything involving the Biju and Jin.

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... Just stop.

(1) Tsukuyomi has been stated to be instant (manga fact); biju-jinchurki interactions have not. (2) Even if biju-jinchuriki interactions were instant, how does instant counter instant? If both x and y are instant, and x affects y, it'll be too late for y to counter x, since x is instant; simple logic; instant can't counter instant. (Note: This ("this" being '(2)') is useless anyway, since Tsukuyomi has been confirmed to be instant and biju-jin interactions have not.)

This is how Obito controlled Yugito:

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The point of the partner method of Jinchuuriki is for either of the two transfer Chakra to each other, and Genjutsu is cancelled. If the partner had been taken out, the other can't get out of the Genjutsu. What Obito did is take out Sanbi, so that when he controls Yugura, no one else is transferring Chakra to release him.

So what's stopping Itachi from Tsukuyomi'ing Hachibi?

 

[DrProof]

No it wouldn't work. You know this, I know this, majority of Itachi fans know this.

 

[Styles]

why? Bee using lariat the instant sasuke turned around proves that bee stayed down until sasuke. Weʻve seen that once the hachibi recognizes its host is in genjutsu, it snapped bee out so quickly that itachiʻs shurikens

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Tsukuyomi isnʻt instant, no genjutsu is literally instant, the word ʻinstantʻ doesnʻt mean literally instant unless talking about S/T. Genjutsu is the manipulation of your opponentʻs chakra, tsukuyomi canʻt be instant especially when people like sasuke can break the technique (which would be impossible if it was literally instant). Like sasuke can use chakra to power his sharingan/ genjutsu while in the tsukuyomi world, the hachibi can do the same to bee while both perceive the tsukuyomi world.

Except in Sasuke's case he was fighting genjutsu with genjutsu Itachi didn't manipulate the time in that genjutsu or anything besides that they was just feeling eachother out with that.

Also when Bee was in Sasuke's genjutsu we actually saw him get caught under it when he was still mid air till the time Sasuke covered his eye and turned around still quite a while before Hachibi broke him out of it.

Yagura has the maybe though, even assuming that he did include both Bee and Yagura, Bee proves his perfect jin status while Yagura's perfect jin status is based solely on this maybe.

That's because Yagura is dead so he can't show us his PJ status. Danzo knows a lot so that maybe does hold some value.

 

[Benjamin King]

So what's stopping Itachi from Tsukuyomi'ing Hachibi?

He would need to enter their mind level, in which he can't.

 

[Styles]

He would need to enter their mind level, in which he can't.

Sasuke did it when he suppressed Kurama with 3T why can't Itachi with MS? And i think Obito did it with Kushina.

 

[Mellanoma]

He would need to enter their mind level, in which he can't.

3T sasuke could...

Also Itachi was able to seal a Crow inside NAruto which Kyuubi always rejects seals.... a feat in itself that Itachi can affect a jin without the bijuu knowing

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Probaly not since Tsukiyomi causes mental trauma in the span of seconds,which means by the time the perfect jinchuriki snaps out of it the damage is already done.

 

[Mellanoma]

Probaly not since Tsukiyomi causes mental trauma in the span of seconds,which means by the time the perfect jinchuriki snaps out of it the damage is already done.

tsukyomi is instant... not seconds...

 

[lanakui8]

Except in Sasuke's case he was fighting genjutsu with genjutsu Itachi didn't manipulate the time in that genjutsu or anything besides that they was just feeling eachother out with that.

Based on what did Itachi not manipulate time in that genjutsu? What in the hell? Are you saying itachi was deliberately holding back on his Tsukuyomi to the point where itʻs nothing like the tsukuyomis he used on kid sasuke despite trying to convince sasuke that heʻs the bad guy and out to take sasukeʻs eyes?

And genjutsu requires chakra, if sasuke is fighting genjutsu with genjutsu then heʻs going to be using chakra while in the tsukuyomi world. Now how in the hell does he do that if tsukuyomi is literally instant, or if the bijuu or jinchuriki canʻt use chakra within that timeframe?

Also when Bee was in Sasuke's genjutsu we actually saw him get caught under it when he was still mid air till the time Sasuke covered his eye and turned around still quite a while before Hachibi broke him out of it.

Again, based on what did it take the hachibi that long to break him out of it? Weʻve seen the hachibi break bee out of genjutsu in a timeframe that would have bee still airborne had the hachibi noticed heʻs in genjutsu then. That clearly shows that bee waited for sasuke to turn around in order to blow his chest open instead of moving while sasuke could still see him, allowing sasuke to react and dodge.

 

[Vapid]

He would need to enter their mind level, in which he can't.

You're telling me the best genjutsu user among the Uchiha (sorry, but your fav Madara, Obito and even Shisui don't have anything on Itachi when it comes to genjutsu, but that's another topic altogether) can't Tsukuyomi a biju at a "mind level", yet a fodder, 3 tomoe Hebi Sasuke can? Pls stop.

 

[Benjamin King]

3T sasuke could...

Also Itachi was able to seal a Crow inside NAruto which Kyuubi always rejects seals.... a feat in itself that Itachi can affect a jin without the bijuu knowing

Sasuke did it when he suppressed Kurama with 3T why can't Itachi with MS? And i think Obito did it with Kushina.

Mind levels differs. Bee and Hachibi block Itachi from entering, just like they did to Obito:

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[Mellanoma]

Mind levels differs. Bee and Hachibi block Itachi from entering, just like they did to Obito:

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lol you completely neglected the fact that this was telepathy from all the Bijuu linking togher and you also neglect ALL the other manga information people show you...

 

[Sominus]

One thing guys, the title says "Can a perfect jinchuriki break/avoid Tsukuyomi?"

Naruto could easily avoid it by closing his eyes. We've seen that he can feel EXACTLY what someone is doing without seeing them, when he fought Madara's Limbo clones.

About the despelling matter: We will never be able to clearly say if it's possible or not because we got contradictory information. We'd need to actually see Naruto/Bee get caught in Tsukuyomi to give a clear answer.

 

[Benjamin King]

lol you completely neglected the fact that this was telepathy from all the Bijuu linking togher and you also neglect ALL the other manga information people show you...

It is expected from a retarded member. Nowhere does it say that the telepathic level is because all the Bijuu have linked together. Naruto and Son Goku did that previously, and Obito didn't know what happened. ''After you completely linked with me'' - Kurama saying he and Naruto are befriended now.

What manga facts have you been showing me? Obito > Itachi in Sharingan capacity and potential. So is Sasuke.

 

[Styles]

Based on what did Itachi not manipulate time in that genjutsu? What in the hell? Are you saying itachi was deliberately holding back on his Tsukuyomi to the point where itʻs nothing like the tsukuyomis he used on kid sasuke despite trying to convince sasuke that heʻs the bad guy and out to take sasukeʻs eyes?

And genjutsu requires chakra, if sasuke is fighting genjutsu with genjutsu then heʻs going to be using chakra while in the tsukuyomi world. Now how in the hell does he do that if tsukuyomi is literally instant, or if the bijuu or jinchuriki canʻt use chakra within that timeframe?


Again, based on what did it take the hachibi that long to break him out of it? Weʻve seen the hachibi break bee out of genjutsu in a timeframe that would have bee still airborne had the hachibi noticed heʻs in genjutsu then. That clearly shows that bee waited for sasuke to turn around in order to blow his chest open instead of moving while sasuke could still see him, allowing sasuke to react and dodge.

How do someone manipulate time in someone else' genjutsu? It was Tsukuyomi vs Sasuke's genjutsu. And yes Itachi was holding back in that fight that's already known. Besides that was he manipulating time when he showed Sasuke Madara's fake backstory?

@Bold we never seen that everytime Hachibi break Bee out of a genjutsu it takes more than 2 seconds or so and the other part doesn't even make sense.

 

[lanakui8]

How do someone manipulate time in someone else' genjutsu? It was Tsukuyomi vs Sasuke's genjutsu. And yes Itachi was holding back in that fight that's already known. Besides that was he manipulating time when he showed Sasuke Madara's fake backstory?

It wasnʻt tsukuyomi vs Sasukeʻs genjutsu, Itachi put sasuke in tsukuyomi, sasuke had to resist and ultimately broke tsukuyomi with his sharingan/genjutsu skill/abilities.

Itachi was holding back in the fight in that he didnʻt try to kill sasuke, but obviously heʻs still trying to convince sasuke that he wasnʻt holding back, which means itʻs literally impossible that itachi would use a tsukuyomi that canʻt even manipulate time when he used a far stronger one 2x before against sasuke.

Itachi didnʻt use tsukuyomi on sasuke to show him madaraʻs backstory, he used tsukuyomi on sasuke

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which is why itachi immediately starts stomping sasuke after puting him into the tsukuyomi world.

@Bold we never seen that everytime Hachibi break Bee out of a genjutsu it takes more than 2 seconds or so and the other part doesn't even make sense.

Um, i literally showed you that after the hachibi recognized bee was in genjutsu, he broke bee out before itachiʻs shurikens could even move in the air. Ignoring that and just reasserting "every time the hachibi breaks bee out of genjutsu it takes more than 2 seconds" is a concession as youʻre just ignoring my argument.

So is claiming my argument doesnʻt make sense, yet giving no explanation or reasons why you believe so. Bee waited for sasuke to drop his guard and turn around before attack him, how does that not make any sense?