Can a perfect jinchuriki break/avoid Tsukuyomi?

[xxSAGExx]

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So are people who think something said in part 1 is going to mean anything when Kishi have Bee and Itachi say the exact opposite in the more current story. Part 1 said Hiruzen was the God of Shinobi yet Shippuden says its Hashirama.

no. a 3T sharingan is enough to subdue a tailed beast. a tailed beast (as shown several times) has no real defense to sharingan genjutsu. if there minds are linked, then 8 tails wouldnt have been able to break bee out because he would be under the same genjutsu, which again tailed beasts have yet to break out on there on. so this would show that just because a host is put under one doesnt mean his beast is.

That's not the same thing, Uchihs unlock that power when they get MS as Itachi and Sasuke both said so that's an ability they gain. Both Madara and Obito managed to control Kurama with their 3 Tomoes after already having their MS unlock and having mastered their Sharingan to that point. genjutsu affects the senses by the genjutsu user's chakra entering the victims brain, Bijuu's brain aren't located where the Jinchuurikis brain is and their chakra connection is where the seal is. Plus no Uchiha has shown to place a Bijuu under their control or even effect them instead of the Jinchuuriki, their power doesn't let them to just bypass the Jinchuuriki.

Even when Sasuke went in Naruto, Naruto had to be there first. Perfect Jinchuurikis connections become much stronger than before they became friends. After Naruto and Kurama's link got stronger, Naruto was able to go deeper into a mentally plane to talk to the Bijuus and Jinchuurikis where they said even Obito can't reach. Also Bee said his power weren't that strong in Naruto so the power of others wouldn't be either. You can't compare the ability to control Bijuus and genjutsus used on ninjas, ninjas don't get Tomoes in their eyes when placed under a genjutsu.

 

[Vapid]

So are people who think something said in part 1 is going to mean anything when Kishi have Bee and Itachi say the exact opposite in the more current story. Part 1 said Hiruzen was the God of Shinobi yet Shippuden says its Hashirama.

Except it was stated/alluded to in Part 2 as well... twice.

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Note where it says, "It has nothing to do with whether you can defeat genjutsu or not," which completely shits on B's statement.

 

[xxSAGExx]

Except it was stated/alluded to in Part 2 as well... twice.

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Note where it says, "It has nothing to do with whether you can defeat genjutsu or not," which completely shits on B's statement.

Again, that statement has nothing to do with perfect Jins that weren't introduced yet nor Kakashi have any info about them so how can he speak for what he has nothing about? Naruto had no info about the Bijuu snapping the host out of genjutsus if you're a perfect Jin so why do you keep showing that when Naruto have no knowledge either? Naruto wasn't a prefect Jin until he went BM. Kakashi thought the Rinnegan was a mutation but later that was shown to be incorrect.

Kakashi's words weren't relating to Prefect Jins so that doesn't help your case. We have Bee state perfect Jins are immune to genjutsus 2 times. We also know info about Itachi is known to at least the Cloud village from someone foghting Itachi (to know his skills with Amaterasu) and use the bingo book which contains all info known about the targeted criminals.

 

[DrProof]

Killer B is a perfect Jin. And was caught in Sasuke's down-graded Tsukuyomi being delayed 2-3 seconds. Naruto as a Perfect Jin even stated being caught in Tsukuyomi was game over.

The Tailed Beast wouldn't be able to react in > 1 second (near-instant; right when Genjutsu is applied). I have no doubt that a Perfect Jin can break it, but not in > 1 second leaving them at the mercy at Itachi.

So to answer this thread:

Yes Perfect Jin can break Tsukuyomi. However, against Itachi it wouldn't matter, as they'd be dead upon application.

 

[xxSAGExx]

Killer B is a perfect Jin. And was caught in Sasuke's down-graded Tsukuyomi being delayed 2-3 seconds. Naruto as a Perfect Jin even stated being caught in Tsukuyomi was game over.

The Tailed Beast wouldn't be able to react in > 1 second (near-instant; right when Genjutsu is applied). I have no doubt that a Perfect Jin can break it, but not in > 1 second leaving them at the mercy at Itachi.

So to answer this thread:

Yes Perfect Jin can break Tsukuyomi. However, against Itachi it wouldn't matter, as they'd be dead upon application.

Except Bee's time perception wasn't affected by Sasuke's genjutsu; genjutsu works by the user putting their chakra into the victims brain to affect their senses but a Bijuu and Jins mind and chakra are connected. They aren't outside sources but internal. To be a prefect Jin you have to have the Bijuu working with you, Naruto was not a perfect Jin until he became friends with Kurama which he did before going BM which happened way later than facing Itachi and Nagato. P.S. Naruto was never shown being told the Bijuu can snap them out of genjutsu so that argument hold no facts when Naruto said they'll be done for.

Oh and Tsukuyomi doesn't kill, it lowers one will as stated before. Naruto shown to be complete exhausted but be replenished after getting chakra from Kurama so that also makes Tsukuyomi not really an issue for someone who gets their stamina replenished and pain healed.

 

[DrProof]

Except Bee's time perception wasn't affected by Sasuke's genjutsu; genjutsu works by the user putting their chakra into the victims brain to affect their senses but a Bijuu and Jins mind and chakra are connected. They aren't outside sources but internal. To be a prefect Jin you have to have the Bijuu working with you, Naruto was not a perfect Jin until he became friends with Kurama which he did before going BM which happened way later than facing Itachi and Nagato. P.S. Naruto was never shown being told the Bijuu can snap them out of genjutsu so that argument hold no facts when Naruto said they'll be done for.

Oh and Tsukuyomi doesn't kill, it lowers one will as stated before. Naruto shown to be complete exhausted but be replenished after getting chakra from Kurama so that also makes Tsukuyomi not really an issue for someone who gets their stamina replenished and pain healed.

Scans of Perfect Jin Naruto even stated that taking a Tsukuyomi would be the end. As linked earlier.

Also, if you don't think Tsukuyomi can kill, read up on the Brain.

 

[V h o]

Didn't Naruto become a perfect jin when he got BM?

 

[Apêx1]

Killer B is a perfect Jin. And was caught in Sasuke's down-graded Tsukuyomi being delayed 2-3 seconds. Naruto as a Perfect Jin even stated being caught in Tsukuyomi was game over.

The Tailed Beast wouldn't be able to react in > 1 second (near-instant; right when Genjutsu is applied). I have no doubt that a Perfect Jin can break it, but not in > 1 second leaving them at the mercy at Itachi.

So to answer this thread:

Yes Perfect Jin can break Tsukuyomi. However, against Itachi it wouldn't matter, as they'd be dead upon application.

That was just a normal genjutsu, Sasuke doesn't posses Tsukiyomi imo.
OT: Kakashi is a Sharingan wielder who should be able to see through the Tsukiyomi, and was fully ready to do so, yet completely failed. Sasuke however, possessing the bloodline of an Uchiha, was capable of breaking out of it. Itachi states only someone with an Uchiha bloodline can break out, and so does the DB:

NINJUTSU; KEKKEI GENKAI; Tsukuyomi
User: Uchiha Itachi
Supplementary; Close range; Rank: none

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Amidst the insight and hypnosis possessed by Sharingan, is a supreme genjutsu, born from the aforementioned hypnosis: Tsukuyomi. Originally, people on the face of the Earth live bound by limitations like time, gravity, and space; and how people exert their abilities within those restrictions is what separates the victors from the vanquished. But in the mental world where the caster drags their opponent, the Tsukuyomi jutsu gives them control over those very limitations!

Namely, this means inside the genjutsu, the physical world's common sense is completely irrelevant and opposing the caster is impossible. Somebody caught into the Tsukuyomi find themselves into a strange world of infinity, their fate entirely lying inside the caster's hands. Some time, they will undergo the torments of Hell, and some other time, they will be repeatedly shown a horrendous, hellish picture of agony and mayhem*, with no idea of when either of those will end. As a result, the poor prisoner can only wait until the collapse of their psyches...!! Even a body made of iron or the speed of light are powerless before this jutsu, which is the reason why it is feared as the most powerful.

Sharingan is the Kekkei Genkai of the clan labelled as the most powerful, the Uchiha clan. Even among those who have Sharingan, that jutsu cannot be operated without having Mangekyou, which is its culminating point. Concurrently, the only ones who can defeat Tsukuyomi are Sharingan possessors... And even then, exclusively the elite shinobi who have reached particularly high degrees of skillfulness. Once could say this is truly a God-given jutsu solely allowed to those blessed with Uchiha blood and prodigious aptitudes.

Anyone who is denying this is denying what happened to Kakashi, what Itachi stated and the DB itself. Tell me more mini-Kishi's.

 

[xxSAGExx]

Scans of Perfect Jin Naruto even stated that taking a Tsukuyomi would be the end. As linked earlier.

Also, if you don't think Tsukuyomi can kill, read up on the Brain.

Like I already said, all you have is a scan of KM Naruto who wasn't a perfect Jinchuuriki since Kurama was still in his cage and did not see Naruto as a friend at that point. Stop calling him a perfect Jinchuuriki because you don't know what that is if you think Naruto was a perfect Jinchuuriki before chapter 571 which is where Naruto became a perfect Jinchuuriki (actually 570 but they started working together in 571). So please show me a perfect Jinchuuriki Naruto saying that and if its not after 570 then you have no scans.

Naruto called him and Kurama a duo in 570

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. So sorry but no Prefect Jin said Tsukuyomi would finish them and plus Naruto wasn't told about the Bijuu being able to break them out of genjutsus unless it was off screen but we can't use that as Naruto knowing when nothing shows him knowing.

Maybe I phrased it wrong, Tsukuyomi won't kill anyone. First off, Itachi was a pacifist who mastered genjutsus so he doesn't have to kill and it allows him to not push his sicken body. Also Itachi doesn't use Tsukuyomi on just anyone, but on tough opponents who have strong bodies/minds. If 3 days of being stabbed all over with swords didn't kill Kakashi who said he let himself go, then I don't see it killing Kage level ninjas with stronger bodies.

 

[Varrah]

A perfect jinchūriki can avoid Tsukuyomi, but they cannot break Tsukuyomi. ​

 

[shelke]

A perfect jinchūriki can avoid Tsukuyomi, but they cannot break Tsukuyomi. ​

How can they avoid it?

 

[Varrah]

How can they avoid it?

By not fighting Itachi.

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[shelke]

By not fighting Itachi.

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Obviously - the only logical answer. Never thought I would find you on the forums again though, now that the manga is ending.

 

[Vapid]

By not fighting Itachi.

The only viable way a perfect jinchuriki can avoid Tsukuyomi.