Why do people think that Sasuke had more power up than Naruto??

[lndra]

Half of the credit for taming it goes to Kushina too.Also point he had the powerup from the beginning in the first place,justs didnt know how to use it..And Sasuke acutally had to defeat his brother to get the EMS

No, no. You are confusing taming Kyuubi, to actually beating Kyuubi.

Naruto's heart is what truly unlocked the power of Bijuu Mode, and with that he finally became one with the Tailed Beast.

What Kushina/Killer Bee did was give Naruto the power to actually take down Kurama so that he can take it's power.

Two different concepts here.

Yeah but that is different as-well. Itachi set himself to die so that Sasuke could RECEIVE the MS. No way Sasuke would kill Itachi at that time, and you know that too.

Kushina helped him FOR KCM.

Without Kushina Naruto never would "defeated" Kurama at this time.


Minato put Kushina's chakra inside Naruto especially to help him to dominate the Kyuubi.

I. Kushina/Killer Bee helped Naruto take down Kurama so that he can take his power. Which is a good point on our side, because it shows that he needs cooperation. Ashura, or nah? U_U

II. Naruto himself, is the one who unlocked the power of Kurama. Which the fullest form in which both Naruto/Kurama mend their hearts together as one. As one being.

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Smh

 

[Solidus Solidus Solidus]

Sasuke has natural talent.
So obviously he had less Power Ups, hence Bjiuu Rinnegan Sasuke

 

[Nagi]

My main point still stands, emotional uchiha=kage lvl with almost no effort.

What is a kage level? The 1st hokage is seem to be a god level!

 

[take it easy]

Sharingan and kyubi are two different things.
So sharingan is gifted by birth. Kyubi no so much

Spacey orange

EMS wasn't gift by birth PTTE.

 

[To Whatever]

That number is noticeable when at least 3 people be saying the same. So I just simply bring put that opinion in the hotseat. XD

Fair enough. There's people in this thread proving your point.

 

[Retsu]

And it was painful too.His eyes were leaking more than ever not to mention usage of it renders one physically exhausted completely

Main point still stands, ms and ems are free kage lvl power ups that take next to no work to utilise, even Kakashi instantly knew all his susanoos techniques even when he just unlocked it. Ms/Ems is like free god mode candy.

 

[Radice]

Yeah but that is different as-well. Itachi set himself to die so that Sasuke could RECEIVE the MS. No way Sasuke would kill Itachi at that time, and you know that too.

HAHA

Sasuke would have his MS since part 1 killing Naruto when he defeated naruto in a just battle.

But for plot Device naruto can't die.

Sasuke choose to Hard working with 3 T Sharingan instead to get his MS.

 

[To Whatever]

HAHA

Sasuke would have his MS since part 1 killing Naruto when he defeated naruto in a just battle.

But for plot Device naruto can't die.

Sasuke choose to Hard working with 3 T Sharingan instead to get his MS.

Plot didn't have Naruto use Gamabunta in that fight...

 

[ANiMUS]

No, actually think you're right. I have to take back what I said about genetic lottery. Still it doesn't change the fact that Naruto wasn't helped by his genetics as much as Sasuke was helped.

Well that is true that Naruto had to work for SM even if it is thanks to genetics that he can attain it. That is y it is fair that Sasuke's MS cause him immense pain and blindness. Sasuke's took great determination to use while Naruto's too great determination to attain. I count EMS and KCM a the same though since they both had to fight to get it

 

[take it easy]

Half of the credit for taming it goes to Kushina too.Also point he had the powerup from the beginning in the first place,justs didnt know how to use it..And Sasuke acutally had to defeat his brother to get the EMS

Sasuke never wanted to kill Itachi for obtaining EMS, Lol.

 

[Radice]

Plot didn't have Naruto Gamabunta in that fight...

Gamabunta Never would help Naruto against a 12 years GENIN without any invocation in battle.
GamaBunta would beaten Naruto's ass if he call him against Sasuke

Gamabunta only helped against Gaara because they are fighting against a Bijuu.


anyway Naruto wants to defeat Sasuke in a 1 x1 Battle and lost.
Instead of GamaBunta. Naruto had Kyuubi.
Kyuubi has to "revive" Naruto two times.

 

[Rikodou Mode]

You're right some what. Naruto didn't get any power ups from his genes. Sasuke always had the potential to get Ems, while Naruto didn't with Uzumaki genes. True, he has large chakra, but so does Tsunade and sakura. We know how far beneath Naruto they are. One more thing is that he wasn't a full Uzumaki, hence not being able to move like kushina did. Naruto was able to handle kurama while he was a toddler, while Minato was getting numb feelings.

Naruto's genes didn't nearly help him out as much as Sasuke's did.

Being a full Uzumaki has nothing to do with it, it's like saying every Uchiha can be Indra because they're full Uchiha. As long as you're a descendant you have the potential.

It was his Uzumaki blood that allowed him to use KCM and BSM. He managed to draw out bijuu chakra with his own will as a child. Every Uzumaki generation has contained the Kyuubi without a problem. Yet Gaara lost his sanity and children prior to him had died, and Killer Bee was chosen after the other candidates died.

Naruto's genes also allowed him to gain Sage Mode. Or did you forget he had already surpassed Jiraiya when he barely trained for it ? The reason he was not able to move like Kushina is because unlike him, she was in her prime. Same reason Sasuke's Susanoo was weaker than Madara's.

 

[lndra]

HAHA

Sasuke would have his MS since part 1 killing Naruto when he defeated naruto in a just battle.

But for plot Device naruto can't die.

Sasuke choose to Hard working with 3 T Sharingan instead to get his MS.

Um, no. Seems like someone needs to read Part one again. Naruto did not dodge the chidori because he did not believe Sasuke would try to kill him, after that blow, Naruto became serious. However, it was the same Naruto who became angry that told Sasuke he would never want to kill him. The same Naruto that could of striked Sasuke's chest to stalemate the fight in VOTE1, but scratched his headband instead. Ultimately giving him the win, because Sasuke told him he would never scratch that part. I wonder if you realize that Sasuke had the biggest plot device in history because:

I. He was leaving Konohagakure
II. If he lost it would of ruined the arc and end Part 2.

Please tell me more of plot devices, friend.

Plot device? Tell me more of plot devices when Naruto yells "I won't kill you Sasuke" before their final fights?

Sasuke stopped working hard for his techniques after the Itachi fight. Point blank. Naruto stopped working hard after he received Rikudou Mode, and yes. He still was training during the War Arc with SM/KCM. Do you want manga scans, or no?

 

[To Whatever]

Gamabunta Never would help Naruto against a 12 years GENIN without any invocation in battle.

Gamabunta only helped against Gaara because they fighting against a Bijuu.


anyway Naruto wants to defeat Sasuke in a 1 x1 Battle and lost.
Instead of GamaBunta. Naruto had Kyuubi.
Kyuubi has to "revive" Naruto two times.

Speculation.

He said he would bring Sasuke back even if he had to break his arms or legs. Plot restricted Gamabunta being summoned, him negging Sasuke and bringing him back to the village.

You're also forgetting Naruto wasn't even 100% during vote.

 

[take it easy]

Gamabunta Never would help Naruto against a GENIN without any invocation in battle.
Gamabunta only helped against Gaara because they fighting against a Bijuu.


anyway Naruto wants to defeat Sasuke in a 1 x1 Battle and lost.

Naruto don't need ask Gamabunta's for use Food cart destroyer jutsu.

Big toad to the head=death for Sasuke.

 

[Umari Senju]

Kushina helped him FOR KCM.


Without Kushina Naruto never would "defeated" Kurama at this time.


Minato put Kushina's chakra inside Naruto especially to help him to dominate the Kyuubi.

The same could be said of Sasuke and his acquisition of MS EMS. Without Itachi's help (removing Orochimaru from him and letting him win) Sasuke would not have earned the MS or EMS.

Again it goes both ways. Kishi was very careful in making sure the rivals stayed mostly even.

 

[Shruikan]

No, no. You are confusing taming Kyuubi, to actually beating Kyuubi.

Naruto's heart is what truly unlocked the power of Bijuu Mode, and with that he finally became one with the Tailed Beast.

What Kushina/Killer Bee did was give Naruto the power to actually take down Kurama so that he can take it's power.

Yeah but point is he had help to take power from it before

Yeah but that is different as-well. Itachi set himself to die so that Sasuke could RECEIVE the MS. No way Sasuke would kill Itachi at that time, and you know that too.

Itachi was already dying when he faced Sasuke but fact is Sasuke used up everything he had and Itachi,a MS user, needed to use his Susanoo against Sasuke's Kirin.The fight was not fair with 3T vs MS to begin with and yet Itachi had to resort to his "trump card" to win against kirin which accelerated his death.

 

[Rikodou Mode]

Yeah, exactly this. I'm surprised of the fact that the precognition aspect can be countered.

Plus, I can't you seriously after saying Hashirama had Six Paths Senjutsu.

It can be countered because the user isn't fast enough to react.

 

[Nagi]

Um, no. Seems like someone needs to read Part one again. Naruto did not dodge the chidori because he did not believe Sasuke would try to kill him, after that blow, Naruto became serious. However, it was the same Naruto who became angry that told Sasuke he would never want to kill him. The same Naruto that could of striked Sasuke's chest to stalemate the fight in VOTE1, but scratched his headband instead. Ultimately giving him the win, because Sasuke told him he would never scratch that part. I wonder if you realize that Sasuke had the biggest plot device in history because:

I. He was leaving Konohagakure
II. If he lost it would of ruined the arc and end Part 2.

Please tell me more of plot devices, friend.

Plot device? Tell me more of plot devices when Naruto yells "I won't kill you Sasuke" before their final fights?

Sasuke stopped working hard for his techniques after the Itachi fight. Point blank. Naruto stopped working hard after he received Rikudou Mode, and yes. He still was training during the War Arc with SM/KCM. Do you want manga scans, or no?

The attack on summit was training. No time to train when the world is against you! Fight and train at the same time!

 

[Shruikan]

My main point still stands, emotional uchiha=kage lvl with almost no effort.

Yeah so experience tremendous pain=No effort :|