why do people think PS is an EMS tech?

[mun]

Mokuton means wood release

and what do you mean by strength? The techs he learned like flower tree world? The size of the wood?

Did you see how Obito was able to decimate the Hidden Mist shinobi without having any experience at all at using mokuton and create that huge spiky tree?

ok it says he's a mokuton user when madara has EMS.
I'm saying how do you know hashi mokuton never got any stronger ?

 

[Lightbringer]

maybe he couldnt? maybe he got whooped every time and hashi being a good guy refused to kill him? i can see madara getting bitter over that and maybe thats why he got kurama?

And why would Hashi not kill him if it meant stopping more bloodshed in future battles? Why would Hashi give a truce earlier instead of waiting after years of battles? Why would Hashi even give a truce if he could have just taken over them easily?

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[Thundercles]

I feel "PS" is just Madara's special MS tech. I mean, he hasn't shown anything to the contrary. Obito has Kamui, Shishui - KA, Sasuke - Blaze Release, Itachi - Tsukuyomi mastery.

 

[Lightbringer]

ok it says he's a mokuton user when madara has EMS.
I'm saying how do you know hashi mokuton never got any stronger ?

I never said it didn't. But it was strong enough for his clan to be known as the strongest and the most feared along with the Uchiha. It also means that it was too much for everyone else to handle.

 

[Lightbringer]

I feel "PS" is just Madara's special MS tech. I mean, he hasn't shown anything to the contrary. Obito has Kamui, Shishui - KA, Sasuke - Blaze Release, Itachi - Tsukuyomi mastery.

Exactly!

 

[Draphsin]

And why would Hashi not kill him if it meant stopping more bloodshed in future battles? Why would Hashi give a truce earlier instead of waiting after years of battles? Why would Hashi even give a truce if he could have just taken over them easily?

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Same reason why naruto wont kill sasuke even after he found out about him killing danzou and attacking the summit, maybe they were good friends? rivals like gai/kakashi? hashi sought to achive piece through love, i dont see him wanting to kill madara despite his actions

 

[mun]

I never said it didn't. But it was strong enough for his clan to be known as the strongest and the most feared along with the Uchiha. It also means that it was too much for everyone else to handle.

MS madara was too much for everyone else too...

 

[Thundercles]

cuz it is

honestly it doesn't even matter I don't even know why were arguing this is a manga, hence just a MANGA. It's rather pointless and neither of us or any of us is gonna win this debate. Were just wasting our time when we could be doing something with our lives.

So..why are you here?

 

[mun]

maybe he couldnt? maybe he got whooped every time and hashi being a good guy refused to kill him? i can see madara getting bitter over that and maybe thats why he got kurama? he simply couldnt win


dont overestimate mokuton, Obito had MS+kamui+senju/uchiha powers, a deadly combination

madara only got whooped in the last battle, all the other battles before him and hashi were equals
madara got kyubi cause he knew all the other battles ended in a draw so thats why he took the kyubi to get an edge over hashi

 

[Thundercles]

Exactly!

Glad you have an open mind. , =P

 

[Lightbringer]

Same reason why naruto wont kill sasuke even after he found out about him killing danzou and attacking the summit, maybe they were good friends? rivals like gai/kakashi? hashi sought to achive piece through love, i dont see him wanting to kill madara despite his actions

But they weren't good friends, they were rivals. Its not like Sasuke and Naruto grew up knowing each other and going to school together and being on the same team.

These are 2 leaders or their own clans and their clan was their highest priority. Hashirma made the truce because everyone was sick of fighting and of casualties. You see the coffins in the page I've posted from the previous comment.

If he was that powerful he could have defeated Madara and held him hostage and not kill him, and taken over his clan.

 

[Thundercles]

Same reason why naruto wont kill sasuke even after he found out about him killing danzou and attacking the summit, maybe they were good friends? rivals like gai/kakashi? hashi sought to achive piece through love, i dont see him wanting to kill madara despite his actions

Idk, there seemed to be a hatred between the Senju and Uchiha. Like, an actual hatred. Tobi touched on this subject earlier and even told Naruto of the "Curse" that is his friendship with Sasuke. Also, Im sure Hashi was intent on killing Madara in their last battle as it was assumed that Madara was killed by Hashi. If I battled someone to the point of their death, it would be safe to assume I wanted him dead.

 

[Colonel Armstrong]

:sy: It is. Madara stated no one that has seen it survived until then. That implies he used it when he was in his prime. Heck, it might even be an MS technique. I mean, seriously :shrug:

i agree with this man here. with everything we have seen recently everything is in the air

 

[mun]

But they weren't good friends, they were rivals. Its not like Sasuke and Naruto grew up knowing each other and going to school together and being on the same team.

These are 2 leaders or their own clans and their clan was their highest priority. Hashirma made the truce because everyone was sick of fighting and of casualties. You see the coffins in the page I've posted from the previous comment.

If he was that powerful he could have defeated Madara and held him hostage and not kill him, and taken over his clan.

clearly hashi and madara were equals until the last battle. There must've been alot of time past from the last time they fought before the last battle. And they both got stronger since the last time they fought till the last battle

 

[TrollingSage]

Against whom?



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Danzu xd

 

[Thundercles]

Anyways, we are WAY off topic. I believe PS is Madara's MS tech because he hasn't shown any other specialty with his MS/EMS. "Why do I assume every1 with MS has a special MS tech?" Well, that is the evidence that has been shown. Everyone who had/has MS boasts an MS special tech. The only exception is Izuna and that is because he died a loooong time ago. As I've previously stated, PS can only be Madara's special tech. People are under the impression Sasuke will get this. Well I say false. He already has his complete, final, perfect (what have you) Susano'o. He just simply isn't getting it.

 

[Draphsin]

Idk, there seemed to be a hatred between the Senju and Uchiha. Like, an actual hatred. Tobi touched on this subject earlier and even told Naruto of the "Curse" that is his friendship with Sasuke. Also, Im sure Hashi was intent on killing Madara in their last battle as it was assumed that Madara was killed by Hashi. If I battled someone to the point of their death, it would be safe to assume I wanted him dead.

True but idk i dont see someone from the senju clan killing someone unless they were an immediate threat. I can see hashi wanting to restrain him and maybe incapacitating him but not without good reason, that reason most likely being the kyuubi. Maybe he attacked the village and this time hashi couldnt forgive him, so he went full power with the intent to kill? it still seems more likely than madara using PS without EMS

 

[tamikasy]

Perfect Susanoo? You mean Final Susanoo Stablilized. It is not a tech, it is a transformation.

 

[Lightbringer]

Perfect Susanoo? You mean Final Susanoo Stablilized. It is not a tech, it is a transformation.

That's exactly what I'm trying to point out.

 

[Thundercles]

True but idk i dont see someone from the senju clan killing someone unless they were an immediate threat. I can see hashi wanting to restrain him and maybe incapacitating him but not without good reason, that reason most likely being the kyuubi. Maybe he attacked the village and this time hashi couldnt forgive him, so he went full power with the intent to kill? it still seems more likely than madara using PS without EMS

Off-topic: While Hashi was a peaceful man, he was no fool. "If you want peace, plan for war." And I do believe Varrah shown some proof that Madara battled Hashi WITH EMS and never without EMS. But, I will still stipulate that PS is an MS tech special to Madara.