why do people think PS is an EMS tech?

[Lightbringer]

You have no proof there was a time skip, no such thing was hinted at. Naruto just got better at using BM, remember they just used it for the first time and it was 5mins, 2nd time was 8mins and this is just when kurama and Naruto finally started to become friends. I doubt it takes much once youre friendly with your beast.



The part about tsunade being weak is false because madara made those statements before she used her forbidden technique, and even after that madara acknowledges her strength. Now as far as madara not using it against oonoki, maybe he didnt need to? maybe he couldnt maintain it because he only had MS? both of those sound logical to me

The page I posted with Tsunade breaking the Susanoo was when she was using the forbidden and he still called her weak. You can see it on her hand and foot.

 

[Lightbringer]

well it doesn't matter if hashi can break madara's susanoo. You said how could he survive against hashi countless times without PS? For one no where in the manga does it state that madara's only powerful technique is susanoo. I'm sure madara had plenty of other techniques that enabled him to fight on par with hashi countless times without the need of PS

can you name any MS techs that save you from Hashi's Mokuton?

Are you sure? Can you name any of those techs?

Madara defeated the kages with mostly using mokuton and mokuton clones.

 

[Lightbringer]

it was said in the manga that hashi and madara fought for days in their last battle, so im pretty sure madara and hashi has alot of techniques under their sleeves

And I'm pretty sure Madara fought Hashi and used PS with his MS too.

 

[Draphsin]

The page I posted with Tsunade breaking the Susanoo was when she was using the forbidden and he still called her weak. You can see it on her hand and foot.

Sorry wrong again, he called her weak before she attacked him

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can you name any MS techs that save you from Hashi's Mokuton?

Are you sure? Can you name any of those techs?

Madara defeated the kages with mostly using mokuton and mokuton clones.

Are you forgetting Amaterasu?, also susanoo can fare quite well against mokuton

 

[mun]

can you name any MS techs that save you from Hashi's Mokuton?

Are you sure? Can you name any of those techs?

Madara defeated the kages with mostly using mokuton and mokuton clones.

Why does it have to be an MS technique? Now madara can't use any other technique other than MS ?
So what if he only used mokuton and mokuton clones against the kages, madara had to counter that when he fought hashi.
And you're gonna tell me when hashi and madara fought their last battle which lasted for days madara only used MS techniques? Madara knew about the rinnegan im pretty sure he knows a whole shit load of other techniques too

 

[Lightbringer]

Sorry wrong again

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Are you forgetting Amaterasu?, also susanoo can fare quite well against mokuton

lol actually you're wrong

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Amaterasu doesn't burn fast, and won't burn the wood into oblivion before it hits something.

 

[mun]

honestly it doesn't even matter I don't even know why were arguing this is a manga, hence just a MANGA. It's rather pointless and neither of us or any of us is gonna win this debate. Were just wasting our time when we could be doing something with our lives.

 

[Lightbringer]

Why does it have to be an MS technique? Now madara can't use any other technique other than MS ?
So what if he only used mokuton and mokuton clones against the kages, madara had to counter that when he fought hashi.
And you're gonna tell me when hashi and madara fought their last battle which lasted for days madara only used MS techniques? Madara knew about the rinnegan im pretty sure he knows a whole shit load of other techniques too

yeah but then that also applies to him fighting Hashi the countless times before getting the EMS. How did he counter mokuton with his MS techs at that time?

Yeah he may have other techs, but we haven't seen them and you're the one asking me for evidence. So let's debate over what we saw so far.

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[Varrah]

Why does it have to be an MS technique? Now madara can't use any other technique other than MS ?
So what if he only used mokuton and mokuton clones against the kages, madara had to counter that when he fought hashi.
And you're gonna tell me when hashi and madara fought their last battle which lasted for days madara only used MS techniques? Madara knew about the rinnegan im pretty sure he knows a whole shit load of other techniques too

Since his resurrection, Madara has been familiarizing himself to the added benefits of the Rinnegan, something he could not do while alive. Just thought I should add that. ​

 

[mun]

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Since his resurrection, Madara has been familiarizing himself to the added benefits of the Rinnegan, something he could not do while alive. Just thought I should add that. ​

i dont get what you're saying. Are you trying to say Madara when he was alive did not know rinnegan techs?

 

[mun]

yeah but then that also applies to him fighting Hashi the countless times before getting the EMS. How did he counter mokuton with his MS techs at that time?

Yeah he may have other techs, but we haven't seen them and you're the one asking me for evidence. So let's debate over what we saw so far.

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how do you know when hashi fought madara countless times that he had mokuton? Where in the manga does it states hashi has mokuton each time they fought?

 

[Draphsin]

lol actually you're wrong

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Amaterasu doesn't burn fast, and won't burn the wood into oblivion before it hits something.

its obvious madaras just being cocky, he just got smacked around like a b**** and called them weak, EMS madara would have a real hard time without that chakra help and being an edo. Also tsunade survived madaras onslaught, if that doesnt prove shes freaking resilient then idk what will

 

[Arian]

i think u need looot of training and experience in order to get the PS...so if your eyesight hasnt deteriorated and completely faded away till then its a MS technique..but i quess one would need the EMS to achieve it without loosing eyesight..

 

[Lightbringer]

how do you know when hashi fought madara countless times that he had mokuton? Where in the manga does it states hashi has mokuton each time they fought?

I hope you're not being serious....

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[Lightbringer]

its obvious madaras just being cocky, he just got smacked around like a b**** and called them weak, EMS madara would have a real hard time without that chakra help and being an edo. Also tsunade survived madaras onslaught, if that doesnt prove shes freaking resilient then idk what will

So if tsunade was able to break his susanoo and survive his onslaught, then so can Hashi. And she doesn't even have mokuton or his skill.

So how does Madara fare without PS in all their battles?

 

[Lightbringer]

i think u need looot of training and experience in order to get the PS...so if your eyesight hasnt deteriorated and completely faded away till then its a MS technique..but i quess one would need the EMS to achieve it without loosing eyesight..

That's pretty much what I'm saying. And all the Uchiha lose their eyesight differently. Sasuke took about a week, Itachi many years(although he may not have used it enough)

Madara lost his while Izuna's was fine, yet they battled everyday for probably years(since making a clan known to be one of the strongest doesn't take only a month)

 

[Varrah]

i dont get what you're saying. Are you trying to say Madara when he was alive did not know rinnegan techs?

Could not use them, for he transplanted his eyes to Nagato.​

 

[mun]

I hope you're not being serious....

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it says he's a tree element user but it doesn't state he uses mokuton. And even if he did you mokuton how do you know his mokuton is full power and never got any stronger? And it says EMS madara no ms madara

 

[Lightbringer]

it says he's a tree element user but it doesn't state he uses mokuton. And even if he did you mokuton how do you know his mokuton is full power and never got any stronger? And it says EMS madara no ms madara

Mokuton means wood release

and what do you mean by strength? The techs he learned like flower tree world? The size of the wood?

Did you see how Obito was able to decimate the Hidden Mist shinobi without having any experience at all at using mokuton and create that huge spiky tree?

 

[Draphsin]

So if tsunade was able to break his susanoo and survive his onslaught, then so can Hashi. And she doesn't even have mokuton or his skill.

So how does Madara fare without PS in all their battles?

maybe he couldnt? maybe he got whooped every time and hashi being a good guy refused to kill him? i can see madara getting bitter over that and maybe thats why he got kurama? he simply couldnt win

Mokuton means wood release

and what do you mean by strength? The techs he learned like flower tree world? The size of the wood?

Did you see how Obito was able to decimate the Hidden Mist shinobi without having any experience at all at using mokuton and create that huge spiky tree?

dont overestimate mokuton, Obito had MS+kamui+senju/uchiha powers, a deadly combination