why do people think PS is an EMS tech?

[Draphsin]

we only saw sasuke use susanoo with just an MS the first time he awakened it and then he went back into hiding. He didn't have time to adjust or learn the tech properly. He only awakened it's final form right before he left.

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yeah, then immediately went blind. Sasuke has been using susanoo throughout the whole kage summit and danzou fight, he complained about the pain multiple times and hes almost gotten himself killed because his stamina was getting drained. But why do you think sasuke would go blind immediately after releasing his full susanoo? because it was too much for him to handle. Hell even itachi only used susanoo as a last resort due to enormous chakra/stamina/eye damage

 

[Lightbringer]

yeah, then immediately went blind. Sasuke has been using susanoo throughout the whole kage summit and danzou fight, he complained about the pain multiple times and hes almost gotten himself killed because his stamina was getting drained. But why do you think sasuke would go blind immediately after releasing his full susanoo? because it was too much for him to handle. Hell even itachi only used susanoo as a last resort due to enormous chakra/stamina damage

Yeah but as I said, Madara and Izuna fought almost every day for probably a few years before Madara went blind, and Izuna was fine. If they went against the senju, Madara was most likely using his susanoo and going all out.

Kakashi was using kamui for all of shippuden and is still fine...and yes he did mention losing some sight early on in Shippuden against the battle with Itachi.

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And again, how would MS Madara have survived against Hashi in their countless battles with only a regular susanoo when Hashi can break it easily?

 

[Draphsin]

Yeah but as I said, Madara and Izuna fought almost every day for probably a few years before Madara went blind, and Izuna was fine. If they went against the senju, Madara was most likely using his susanoo and going all out.

Kakashi was using kamui for all of shippuden and is still fine...and yes he did mention losing some sight early on in Shippuden against the battle with Itachi.

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And again, how would MS Madara have survived against Hashi in their countless battles with only a regular susanoo when Hashi can break it easily?

okay first of all your'e assuming that they had ms for years when its never been stated how long exactly they both acquired MS. And even so, itachi has had MS for how long? and he maintained a full susanoo which was shown to still be fatal to even an experienced user, so madara probably used his susanoo sparingly. Also we have no idea if izuna even had susanoo, You cant assume that either. And for your point concerning kakashi, he was asking itachi if his eyesight has deteriorated, kakashi didnt mention anything about his own eye..and again your just assuming hashi could even break susanoo, as far as we've seen hashi hasnt been shown to use any technique that can match susanoo other than mokuton...

 

[Scryed]

Well i'm pretty sure that Susanoo itself was obtained through his MS. PS is just a stronger and stabilized form of that Susanoo which most likely took time to use and master. I would say that PS could be available with MS alone if you know how to use it. The problem would be if you'll die or go blind a few seconds or minutes later after it stabilizes.

EMS is the MS but with eternal light. Perhaps it also has no side-effects and minimal chakra consumption that would help someone with PS maintain it for a longer period of time.



So yeah I guess I agree with you.

 

[BEASTLY NARUTO]

Because he was legendary?
Because if Madara was that strong as the characters describes him he needs PS, otherwise how is he suppose to rival and defeat his enemies at his time with just Susano'o? He doesn't even use amateratsu...
Because "asnwer you with Uchiha Madara's full power" eventually means that?


BM Naruto fans should calm down and deal with it. The main character is not the strongest as the manga also says it.

nooooo one is saying naruto is the strongest character it's lame to say so and plz stop assuming powers he(madara) doesn't have or haven't been scenario-ed yet.

 

[Reuky]

Ok ok ok .......!! Agree + Rep

 

[Ero sennin jiraiya]

OMG Re-Read the Manga, Madara awakened in AFTER awakening the RINNEGAN

Madara didn't even awaken the rinnegan until he was an old man. I honestly can't see a 90 year old Madara using PS. What he said when he showed it implied he had it when he was younger. Meaning either it's possibly just mastery over susanoo with regular MS (less likely IMO) or it is awakened when someone gets EMS.

Yeah, he said it gives birth to a completely new technique. Just because PS may be something exclusive to EMS does not automatically mean people think thats the "new tech" It's very possible existing techniques just become more powerful with EMS.
Why do i think its an EMS tech? Because look at Sasuke or Itachi when they use susanoo with regular MS. They tire easily and they really cant use it all THAT much. They can use it long enough to win a fight but not without repercussions. Sasuke was already beginning to lose his vision, and how many times did we see him use MS techs? What kind of harm do you think using PS with MS would bring?

Also, Itachi was a genius and if using perfect susanoo meant mastering the use of susanoo there's a good chance he would have figured out how to do it if it was in his ability.

 

[swagking]

Perfect susanoo is a mangekyou technique, his perfect susanoo is more advanced to due to his ems though. The extra technique granted by EMS hasn't been shown yet perhaps sasuke will display it in his next battle, who knows.

 

[Animaster21]

I just naturally assumed it was an ordinary MS technique; just a morre mastered version. It's like the various forms of Super Saiyan. The regular SSJ is the first stage of Susanoo, and then the Ascended Saiyan form is Itachi and Sasuke's "complete" forms. The PS is like SSJ2, a new form completely above the others, but still just an extension of SSJ that anyone could gain with enough training, as Goku and Vegeta eventually did. It's not a new type of technique, and you don't need EMS to get it. It's just the next level.
Let's face it; Madara is beyond any other Uchiha. The PS is his technique because he's Madara, the greatest Uchiha. It's just another product of his power, it's not a free gift you get when you get EMS like the regular Susanoo. It's a result of his unique strength.

 

[ReZ]

Of course it's not a new technique,it's just Susano'o stabilized.It is a MS tech,but it requires EMS so you can use it at full extent,because I think the PS drains lots of chakra and the eyesight get's damaged too much for a MS user.And to use PS I bet you need some training and expirience for Susano'o.My bet is,the reason Madara went blind is by spamming susano'o.

 

[karol the don]

with his ems he maxed his susano to da fullest,he used his as well against hashi as he stated if someone saw his big fellal ppl would die like a boss,true storys lol

 

[Tasco]

First of, excellent thread I do think you're right, it wouldn't make any sense if PS was the EMS "new tech". Like some one above said, Susano'o is something like SSJ in DBZ. Starting from the first skeletal form, Susano'o develops itself with time, but for the final form the user must "command" it, and I'd say that it's just smarter to use it with EMS 'cause all of the said reasons(pain, chakra consumption, losing eyesight etc...). I think Kishi has something big in his sleeve, we'll just have to wait and see

 

[Kumomi]

Great point, plus rep! I never really thought about it, but I'm pretty sure you're right!

 

[Scooby Doo]

Because it is. But I see your point. But you say PS is just the final version of Susanoo, which is an MS tech. Then, EMS is just the final version of MS. So to use the final version of Susanoo you need the final version of the sharingan.

 

[ReZ]

Because it is.

Yes,your proof is irrefutable my dear sir.Stop talking if you're not gonna post some proof,mofo.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Yes,your proof is irrefutable my dear sir.Stop talking if you're not gonna post some proof,mofo.

Already elaborated...Again:

You say PS is just the final version of Susanoo, which is an MS tech. Then, EMS is just the final version of MS. So to use the final version of Susanoo you need the final version of the sharingan.Simple, isn't it?

 

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[muutobirama3rdraikagemizu]

That was obvious... i hope


I think his new tech will be something like ka mixed with that soul stealing rennigan tech xd


Do you think sasukes ems can spam izangi

 

[Brooks]

That was obvious... i hope


I think his new tech will be something like ka mixed with that soul stealing rennigan tech xd


Do you think sasukes ems can spam izangi

I think an EMS user can spam Izangai

EMS=Eternal Light

 

[Shisui Namikaze]

You're an idiot. You compared madaras complete susanoo to itachis and sasuke. There's one difference. His complete susanoo has legs you moron. That right there shows that it's on another level that sasukes and itachis who's just have a upper body. Perfect susanoo is a ems ability.