Who is more skilled

[sage sarutobi]

itachi is one awwwsome ninja he was realy a genuis during his time he showed great prowess in using ninja tactics . He mastered sharingan to a level where he could activate it almost through out a whole day even with a relatively below average chakra reserve.he was a genjutsu specialist he countered kureni genjutsu wit just his mere demonic illussion mirror though he didnt undergo serious taijutsu training he was able compete with sasuke who had a real taijutsu training with oro and defeated over 100 sound nin without kill a single nin.and he also got battle experience 4rm past wars.kakashi is no match and naruto may be able to stand his ground against him.

 

[jhrainechr]

heres my estimated guess
atm kakashi(with his uses of sharingan)>itachi(with his magekyo sharingan's genjustu)>naruto (with his 9 tails+sm)>sasuke (with his sharingan)

but later on the series im guessing naruto will surpass even kakashi and sasuke will surpass itachi

naruto>kakashi>sasuke>itachi

 

[Dratasy]

lol dude ur cool

Haha thanks, you too.

 

[Rovian]

You might want to check the stats before you post stuff, and at least spell his name correctly lol. Kakashi has better stamina, they're both the same speed, and both have sharingan mastered to the same level.

You're absolutely wrong.. Kakashi has better stamina? com'on.. being not a Uchiha body can prove how much the normal Sharingan can wear him off, for Kakashi.. using only two MS's during the battle might got him killed, while Itachi can use Tsukuyomi/Amaterasu and Susanoo while still have a plenty of Chakra left on him.. not to mention what Susanoo alone would do to Kakashi.. Uchiha has been known to have the strongest stamina ever..

And in terms of speed, Kakashi himself admitted that he couldn't even keep up with him in terms of Jutsu's speed..

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Itachi also is much faster than Kakashi "physically".. we didn't even saw Kakashi performing a Shunshin No Jutsu..

Also, having Kakashi graduating faster than Itachi doesn't mean he's more genius or anything like that, not to mention when Itachi was at the age of 4, the third shinobi world war has already started.. he saw countless deaths at his age which emotionally effected him compared to Kakashi's events during the same age.. so really, this is not even a way to compare their geniality..

Overall, Itachi is much more stronger than Kakashi, perhaps you need to watch the old fights against each others, and how a 30% of his power has done to him and Naruto..

 

[knoxmafia]

in my opinion kakashi is more "skilled" but itachi would be a tougher opponent..
i think naruto was unfortunate not have minato as his mentor, thats why u cant really comapre naruto with the rest...they were all receiving top class training from the get go while naruto wasn't, kakashi the son of white fang, suske and itachi's father was high rnked officer? so if minato didn sacrifice himself i think it would be a whole diff scenario

ya that is the best way 2 look at it

 

[Dratasy]

You're absolutely wrong.. Kakashi has better stamina? com'on.. being not a Uchiha body can prove how much the normal Sharingan can wear him off, for Kakashi.. using only two MS's during the battle might got him killed, while Itachi can use Tsukuyomi/Amaterasu and Susanoo while still have a plenty of Chakra left on him.. not to mention what Susanoo alone would do to Kakashi.. Uchiha has been known to have the strongest stamina ever..

And in terms of speed, Kakashi himself admitted that he couldn't even keep up with him in terms of Jutsu's speed..

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Itachi also is much faster than Kakashi "physically".. we didn't even saw Kakashi performing a Shunshin No Jutsu..

Also, having Kakashi graduating faster than Itachi doesn't mean he's more genius or anything like that, not to mention when Itachi was at the age of 4, the third shinobi world war has already started.. he saw countless deaths at his age which emotionally effected him compared to Kakashi's events during the same age.. so really, this is not even a way to compare their geniality..

Overall, Itachi is much more stronger than Kakashi, perhaps you need to watch the old fights against each others, and how a 30% of his power has done to him and Naruto..

So you're saying Kishi's info that he releases in the databooks is false? Sorry man you might want to check that before you once again post before knowing, Kakashi has 3 Stamina, Itachi has 2.5. The fact Itachi can use his MS longer is because he has Uchiha blood, not because he has Stamina, not sure where you got those false facts from, the fact Kakashi can go a whole day with his sharingan activated, and also using MS + a lot of jutsu's, and four Chidori's shows how great his stamina is for being a non-Uchiha. Uchiha have not been known to have strong Stamina, Itachi is fact enough to back that up, he has 2.5 Stamina, if that's strong then whoever has 5 must be a God. Don't post old chapters that happened on episode 70 of the original Naruto manga to back up your statements, back then Itachi couldn't go more than a few hours without being in serious condition from using the sharingan (Hence the Zabuza fight within the first 20 episodes. They are both listed as the same speed, back when that fight happened Itachi was speed 5 and Kakashi was 4, now they're both at 5, sorry but please search facts before posting lol not trying to be a jerk but I dislike when false info is posted for people to get confused. Itachi was young when the war happened, which made him a pacifist, meaning he avoided fights if he had to, thus why he used Tsukuyomi a lot, it didn't stop his growth in power. Kakashi was clearly a better ninja than Itachi before Itachi unlocked his Sharingan, which made him a lot better than Kakashi, then Kakashi unlocked his, which evened it out for the most part except for the side effects of not being an Uchiha, while also being below Itachi in skill, thus why he lost the first fight, the second fight Kakashi wasn't harmed in so I'm not sure what you're getting at when you say look what Itachi did to Kakashi and Naruto, because all he did was trap Naruto in a Tsukuyomi, when he tried it on Kakashi, it didn't work, Kakashi already thought ahead. So yeah please review your sentences before you post, if you type a statement that you believe is a fact, google it first or something.

As I said, Itachi is stronger, but not more skilled. All you ever see Itachi do is the Mangekyou techniques, which makes him a lot stronger than Kakashi because those techniques are OP. Kakashi however has 1,000+ jutsu's in his arsenal to use, thus making him 10x more skilled. If Kakashi was born an Uchiha, and still had his Mangekyou Sharingan ability, instead of a new one if he unlocked it, then he'd just use Kamui just as much as Itachi used Susano'o, Amaterasu, and Tsukuyomi, what good are flames if they can't even touch Kakashi due to Kamui? However since Kakashi is in fact not a Uchiha, he can't use Kamui but maybe four times in total, which would be the end of him if he ever had to fight Itachi, thus why he'd lose, because Itachi is in fact better than Kakashi, but it's only due to Itachi being an Uchiha and Kakashi not being one.

 

[Olorin]

you all must be retarded or something... itachi? KAKASHI???!... naruto can do the FTG... he has mini rasen shuriken? they arent even close enough to be a threat to naruto now

He doesent, or if he does WE HAVENT SEEN IT YET!!

In Japanese society the Japanese word "Senpai," means a senior or superior in any academic or corporate organization in society.

It could Just mean that he was his senior and thus only in ANBU longer

As for those saying that Itachi would only beat Kakashi because he is an Uchiha ... Kakashi is the son of the White Fang and if he would be stronger than I could have said thats the only reason why he would have won

lets say Einsteins son was a genius, could you say no he isnt because he is Einsteins son and not a normal human with no significant background?

thats false itachi only nos two or three jutsus so he never mastered ninjutsu

How the hell can you know that??!!

Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu, Susanoo = 3 than there is like 10 more different genjutsu he used and 5 jutsu he used

but Kakashi used like 10 jutsu till now ... that must mean he only has 10 jutsu and not 1000

oro the same he used like 10 jutsu he certainly isnt one of the best ninjutsu users like said in the manga and databook

hiruzen used like 5 jutsus he certainly didnt master all jutsus in Knoha

get my point?!

 

[-Kenshin-]

Damn this threadvis popular

 

[Dratasy]

It could Just mean that he was his senior and thus only in ANBU longer

As for those saying that Itachi would only beat Kakashi because he is an Uchiha ... Kakashi is the son of the White Fang and if he would be stronger than I could have said thats the only reason why he would have won

lets say Einsteins son was a genius, could you say no he isnt because he is Einsteins son and not a normal human with no significant background?



How the hell can you know that??!!

Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu, Susanoo = 3 than there is like 10 more different genjutsu he used and 5 jutsu he used

but Kakashi used like 10 jutsu till now ... that must mean he only has 10 jutsu and not 1000

oro the same he used like 10 jutsu he certainly isnt one of the best ninjutsu users like said in the manga and databook

hiruzen used like 5 jutsus he certainly didnt master all jutsus in Knoha

get my point?!

It'd still be the same thing, if you're in something for a long period of time, you don't stay at that rank, you progress, it's like a job. If you're a Senior in a company, you're more than likely at the top of the company, not at the bottom with all of the new recruits, that's a fact.

I'm not saying the Uchiha thing like that, I'm stating that if Kakashi kept ALL of his abilities, and the only thing that changed was him being an Uchiha, then he'd win, it's simple, he could spam Kamui. No idea why you're grabbing on to just that one bit rather than look more into it which is what I was trying to get at.

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Itachi mastered Ninjutsu, he's listed as a level 5 just like Kakashi is, so whoever said he only had three was in fact wrong, however he only ever uses three because I'm sure those are his best ones and as well the fact he is a pacifist and hates fighting.


Itachi's Jutsu's That We Have Seen So Far:

Amaterasu
Clone Great Explosion
Crow Clone Technique
Demonic Illusion: Burning Paper Body
Demonic Illusion: Mirror Heaven and Earth Change
Demonic Illusion: Shackling Stakes Technique
Dusk Crow Genjutsu
Ephemeral
Fire Release: Great Fireball Technique
Fire Release: Phoenix Sage Fire Technique (Anime only)
Shadow Clone Technique
Susanoo
Transcription Seal: Amaterasu
Tsukuyomi
Water Release: Water Fang Bullet

Kakashi's Jutsu's That We Have Seen So Far:

Chidori
Demonic Illusion: Hell Viewing Technique
Earth Release: Double Suicide Decapitation Technique
Earth Release: Earth Style Wall
Earth Release: Hiding Like a Mole Technique
Eight Gates
Evil Sealing Method
Eye Mind Reading (Anime only)
Fire Release: Great Fireball Technique (Anime only)
Front Lotus (Anime only)
Hidden Mist Technique (Anime only)
Kamui
Lightning Beast Running Technique
Lightning Cutter
Lightning Release Shadow Clone
Multiple Shadow Clone Technique
One Thousand Years of Death
Rasengan
Shadow Clone Technique
Shadow of the Dancing Leaf (Anime only)
Silent Killing
Strong Fist (Anime only)
Summoning Technique (Ninken)
Summoning: Earth Release: Tracking Fang Technique
Water Clone Technique
Water Release: Great Waterfall Technique
Water Release: Water Dragon Bullet Technique
Water Release: Water Encampment Wall
Water Release: Water Shark Bullet Technique

 

[ReXii]

Everyone is arguing over a pointless discussion now if its going to be another quoting of facts like kishis databook then should point out itachi abused kakashi quite literally abused him left him on his ass in hospital for days with one genjutsu whats the point in kakashi knowing 1000 jutsu none of them helped him actually fight itachi

 

[Dratasy]

Everyone is arguing over a pointless discussion now if its going to be another quoting of facts like kishis databook then should point out itachi abused kakashi quite literally abused him left him on his ass in hospital for days with one genjutsu whats the point in kakashi knowing 1000 jutsu none of them helped him actually fight itachi

You're naming a fight that happened within the first 80 episodes of the original Naruto series? Kakashi only looked into his eye because he thought he couldn't be put under Tsukuyomi, simple mistake that he paid for, last time Itachi tried it on him it didn't work. Also I should point out, we're not arguing, no one here is mad at each other, we're simply debating, nothing more than that.


Edit- New page, I replied to your post on the page before this, Algalon.

 

[amadeus15]

1.Itachi (i would compare him to Minato , a genius that appears only every decade)
2.Naruto
3.Kakashi
4.Sasuke
my opinion

 

[Olorin]

You might want to check the stats before you post stuff, and at least spell his name correctly lol. Kakashi has better stamina, they're both the same speed, and both have sharingan mastered to the same level.

honestly? you think their MS is on the same level?

 

[ReXii]

Last time he tried it on him are you referring to the fight they had against itachis clone?
because that was really weak in comparison to real itachi

 

[Olorin]

Uchiha has been known to have the strongest stamina ever..

Im pretty sure Uzumaki trump them at stamina

 

[ReXii]

Im pretty sure Uzumaki trump them at stamina

Uzumaki=stamina
uchiha = ocular techs

 

[-Kenshin-]

The threards almost at 1000 views and I put it up 10 hrs ago

 

[Dratasy]

honestly? you think their MS is on the same level?

They have it mastered to the same level, yes. It's pretty obvious since MS is as far as they both have gotten in it, having different techniques with a Mangekyou Sharingan does not mean it's not on the same level of being mastered, it just means different outcomes came from mastering it.

Last time he tried it on him are you referring to the fight they had against itachis clone?
because that was really weak in comparison to real itachi

The fact it was a clone means nothing, it had the same abilities, the only difference is it has 70% less chakra if I'm not mistaking, meaning it would run out quicker than Itachi.

 

[ReXii]

The threards almost at 1000 views and I put it up 10 hrs ago

Haha bet your happy with it so far its a good thread i always had a feeling it would end in a kakashi itachi debate narutos a knucklehead and sasukes major skill is spamming susanoo these days unfortunately ...also both are two young to be considered that skilled

 

[Olorin]

It'd still be the same thing, if you're in something for a long period of time, you don't stay at that rank, you progress, it's like a job. If you're a Senior in a company, you're more than likely at the top of the company, not at the bottom with all of the new recruits, that's a fact.

I'm not saying the Uchiha thing like that, I'm stating that if Kakashi kept ALL of his abilities, and the only thing that changed was him being an Uchiha, then he'd win, it's simple, he could spam Kamui. No idea why you're grabbing on to just that one bit rather than look more into it which is what I was trying to get at.

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Itachi mastered Ninjutsu, he's listed as a level 5 just like Kakashi is, so whoever said he only had three was in fact wrong, however he only ever uses three because I'm sure those are his best ones and as well the fact he is a pacifist and hates fighting.

well you have valid reasons to defend your point of view, after all you are defending ninja skill of Kakashi

even if I still believe Itachi was more of a prodigy than Kakashi I dont think there is any point if we ''argue'' further because I dont see any of us changing their choice XD

but yes I do agree you had valid points for thinking the way you do from the start and agree on many of them but IMO this argument is in Itachis favor