What makes EMS Madara>Sasuke?

[TenzaZangetsu]

Madaras jutsu are on a much larger scale, plus his genius exceeds that of Sasuke!!

 

[Minator93]

The two strongest shinobi of all time? Nagato and Tobi would beat them mid diff.

Ems Madara < Naruto's clone, Oonoki and Gaara.

This is ems Madara.

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This is what you're talking about which is rinnengan madara.

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I thought Someone would come up with that reply.

The EMS Madara you poseted is an EDO and he knows that He can't die and that's why he is using all those Suicidal Techs. Also Do you think the that the Alive Prime EMS Madara would allow anyone to even touch him let alone use that Combo on him.


Also If you want the real EMS Madara then this is it :

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Madara and his pet.

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[Abon]

Don't talk like that about kurama, :'(.

its true thoughU_U

 

[Ryuu..]

Madara is still a level above Sasuke interms of experience and using the EMS properly.

 

[Midday]

I thought Someone would come up with that reply.

The EMS Madara you poseted is an EDO and he knows that He can't die and that's why he is using all those Suicidal Techs. Also Do you think the that the Alive Prime EMS Madara would allow anyone to even touch him let alone use that Combo on him.


Also If you want the real EMS Madara then this is it :

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Madara and his pet.

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How is susanoo suicidal? He clearly got outclassed by the 3 together. A picture with him and the 9 tails doesn't tell us much about his power.

 

[-Vegeta-]

Ohh I didn't know that Fans were used for Water techniques or say Earth

I'd like to see your evidence of his war fan using a wind jutsu? *I'll wait*

And i guess this is for nothing??

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Your scans don't work. Anyway here's Sasuke figuring out izanagi on his own.

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Right when Karin was going to tell Sasuke how izanagi worked Sasuke interrupted her and explained how it worked himself thus him figuring it out on his own.

And then here's Sasuke ultimately winning the fight by tricking Danzo with genjutsu.

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He won the fight himself.

Ohh boy. Sorry I didn't know the Man who was feared by all and whose mere name was enough to cause all 5 nations to unite couldn't perform a clone jutsu?? :flaw: :flaw:

There's a lot of shinobi who're feared and known who have never performed a clone jutsu. Some examples would be Minato, Sasuke, Jiraiya, Orochimaru, A, etc. I could go on, but I don't feel the need to.

Unless you can provide me with some evidence of Madara using clones without mokuton then there's nothing left to discuss.

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Tell me how was he gonna survive this on his own? Does he have s/t the no one knows about??

He summoned and controlled manda with sharingan and used a s/t jutsu to hide in manda. Suigetsu stated as such.

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Ohh boy!

Here it clearly shows Danzo sving his chakra for Tobi

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Just as danzo predicted Tobi Tried to intervene

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And what does any of this prove? Sasuke still managed to beat Danzo by himself.

Oh Really ?? The Manga also says that you can't control a perfect Jinchuriki but somehow Madara did control Yagura [A perfect Jinchuriki]


Also I really liked the way you completely ignored the part about Genjutsus.

This is all I really have to say.

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"Blindness(thus MS) is the price to pay for controlling the kyuubi" It was written on the uchiha tablet.

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"The tailed beasts are but slaves to those with blessed eyes" Pretty much stating the sharingan can control all tailed beasts including the kyuubi and has nothing to do with one having powerful genjutsu.

I also ignored your point about genjutus because Madara has shown nothing that proves he's more profficent with it than Sasuke.

One Last thing that I wann post for all Sasuke Fans :

Onnoki about to 1-shot Sasuke

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The Same Onnoki [in his prime] against Madara

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The last panel speaks Volumes.

And this is all irrelevant considering that was MS Sasuke who was completely exhausted, in pain, and couldn't even use susanoo.



You can't seem to prevent any actual proof to backup your claims and instead constantly speculate, which doesn't qualify as proof or even implications for that matter.

 

[Minator93]

How is susanoo suicidal? He clearly got outclassed by the 3 together. A picture with him and the 9 tails doesn't tell us much about his power.

I didn't mean Susanoo I meant Meteor Jutsu [I know that's Edo-Rinnegan]

But didn't you get it? He doesn't give a **** whether he lives or not because he is an edo, The real one would be very different.

Bold part :

It speaks volumes. No one can beat him in that form unless the opponent happens to be one of the following : Hashirama, Minato, Nagato, Tobi or Current Naruto.

 

[Anorien16]

Ok let me anylyse the situation:

1. Sasuke gona use amatarasu, but can madara can do so too and probaly can extingiush it too like tobi.
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2.Sasuke gona use genjutsu, seriously madara got ems plus sasuke is not that good.
3. Sasuke gona spam fire and lighning release, sadly madara can use better fire release and may have other natura transformation.
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4. Sasuke gona use susano, but what gona madara do..... what a surprise madara can do it too so it comes to chakra and endurance amount as suano takes both chakra cause pain on a cellular level.
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5. Sasuke gona .... oh wait he has run out of tricks
6. Side notes:
a. Madara has greater chakra, (Kurama said 'not unlike' but that does not mean same
b. Madara has hell lotta experiance and had mastered all sharingan powers. Enough to awaken the rinne. But sasuke just got his ems
c. Madara's susano is huge, works two way and only incomplete version shown.
d. Madara is Madara the first uchiha ever to awaken the MS and reffered to as greatest uchiha ever and the reason why half the fire nations even formed. Pay a little respect man.

This is my observation excluding madara's other powers such as rinnegan, senzu cells and other probable aces up his sleeve. ( He didnt defeat hashirama useing his water pistol u know)

 

[Lord Goku]

I'd like to see your evidence of his war fan using a wind jutsu? *I'll wait*



Your scans don't work. Anyway here's Sasuke figuring out izanagi on his own.

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Right when Karin was going to tell Sasuke how izanagi worked Sasuke interrupted her and explained how it worked himself thus him figuring it out on his own.

And then here's Sasuke ultimately winning the fight by tricking Danzo with genjutsu.

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He won the fight himself.



There's a lot of shinobi who're feared and known who have never performed a clone jutsu. Some examples would be Minato, Sasuke, Jiraiya, Orochimaru, A, etc. I could go on, but I don't feel the need to.

Unless you can provide me with some evidence of Madara using clones without mokuton then there's nothing left to discuss.




He summoned and controlled manda with sharingan and used a s/t jutsu to hide in manda. Suigetsu stated as such.

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And what does any of this prove? Sasuke still managed to beat Danzo by himself.




This is all I really have to say.

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"Blindness(thus MS) is the price to pay for controlling the kyuubi" It was written on the uchiha tablet.

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"The tailed beasts are but slaves to those with blessed eyes" Pretty much stating the sharingan can control all tailed beasts including the kyuubi and has nothing to do with one having powerful genjutsu.

I also ignored your point about genjutus because Madara has shown nothing that proves he's more profficent with it than Sasuke.



And this is all irrelevant considering that was MS Sasuke who was completely exhausted, in pain, and couldn't even use susanoo.



You can't seem to prevent any actual proof to backup your claims and instead constantly speculate, which doesn't qualify as proof or even implications for that matter.

now i think sasuke is >>> madara EMS xd

 

[arv993]

How is susanoo suicidal? He clearly got outclassed by the 3 together. A picture with him and the 9 tails doesn't tell us much about his power.

u do realize that he was just caught off guard since there was huge number of fodder distracting him. he didnt even go all out and only used his sussano nothing more with his ems. Oonoki in the past stated he could rival the 5 kages and this is talking about his ems. It is ofc hype but to a certain extent he can atleast put up a good fight with his ems

 

[-Liquid Cefka-]

Lol at the guy saying Madara can't make simple clones.

You cannot be serious.

 

[Lord Goku]

i didn't mean susanoo i meant meteor jutsu [i know that's edo-rinnegan]

but didn't you get it? He doesn't give a **** whether he lives or not because he is an edo, the real one would be very different.

Bold part :

It speaks volumes. No one can beat him in that form unless the opponent happens to be one of the following : Hashirama,

minato​

, nagato, tobi or current naruto.

r u kidding me

 

[HiddenSound]

Multiple Wood Clones equipped with Susano'o would destroy Sasuke in seconds.

 

[-Vegeta-]

Multiple Wood Clones equipped with Susano'o would destroy Sasuke in seconds.

And that's Madara with rinnegan and mokuton, which EMS Madara doesn't possess.

 

[-Liquid Cefka-]

Multiple Wood Clones equipped with Susano'o would destroy Sasuke in seconds.

Eternal Mangekyou Madara, not Edo Madara.

Eternal Madara can't use Mokuton clones.

 

[-Vegeta-]

Lol at the guy saying Madara can't make simple clones.

You cannot be serious.

He very well may have been able to, but so far he hasn't been shown to be able to, so it's not a valid point when assessing ones abilities.

That's like me giving Minato the shadow clone jutsu when he's never shown it. You can't give one an ability he/she has never shown on panel when assessing their abilities.

 

[Minator93]

I'd like to see your evidence of his war fan using a wind jutsu? *I'll wait*

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There's a lot of shinobi who're feared and known who have never performed a clone jutsu. Some examples would be Minato, Sasuke, Jiraiya, Orochimaru, A, etc. I could go on, but I don't feel the need to.

Unless you can provide me with some evidence of Madara using clones without mokuton then there's nothing left to discuss.

You are right there is nothing to discuss. Madara who is using the WS for the very 1st time is using WS Clones and he can't do other clones right

He summoned and controlled manda with sharingan and used a s/t jutsu to hide in manda. Suigetsu stated as such.

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Go look up the VIZ translation or the Anime translation because the sacn translation reeks of failure.

I also ignored your point about genjutus because Madara has shown nothing that proves he's more profficent with it than Sasuke.

Yeah The Mugen Tsukuyomi was all talk and I guess Yagura was never controlled If you really wanna know the difference genjutsu can make just Analyze Itachi or Shisui and then talk.

And this is all irrelevant considering that was MS Sasuke who was completely exhausted, in pain, and couldn't even use susanoo.

Not my or Onnoki's problem also Zetsu had recharged him just before that.

 

[-Liquid Cefka-]

He very well may have been able to, but so far he hasn't been shown to be able to, so it's not a valid point when assessing ones abilities.

That's like me giving Minato the shadow clone jutsu when he's never shown it. You can't give one an ability he/she has never shown on panel when assessing their abilities.

Now I understand what you mean.

However, wouldn't it make since he can create clones seeing as he created 20+ Mokuton clones at once? How would the process of making Mokuton clones differ from making regular clones other than needing Mokuton for the Mokuton clones? Doesn't make since.

 

[Minator93]

r u kidding me

Not really. According to Manga Minato is the only one who can use a Contract Seal. Also he has the RDS so he can either Draw this or Save himself via FTG. In fact all the s/t users are broken and thus plot-no-jutsu ended them.

Tobirama - The Man had better s/t than Minato + ET and lost to 20 Fodders?? come on.

Minato - The man could've used a different seal to seal the 9-t but used RDS come on.

About Tobi - Well he is Invincible.

 

[-Vegeta-]

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And this doesn't in anyway prove the fan utilizes wind jutsu. The video is non canon. Besides it's a fanmade site, so if you're resorting to that for proof then I'd have to say I feel pretty bad for you.

You are right there is nothing to discuss. Madara who is using the WS for the very 1st time is using WS Clones and he can't do other clones right

As I said to the other poster you can't give one an ability he/she has never shown on panel when assessing their abilites.

Unless you have proof then there's nothing to discuss.

Go look up the VIZ translation or the Anime translation because the sacn translation reeks of failure.

I don't have access to the viz scans and the manga is the ultimate canon, not the anime, so I'm not going to use an anime translation.

Yeah The Mugen Tsukuyomi was all talk and I guess Yagura was never controlled If you really wanna know the difference genjutsu can make just Analyze Itachi or Shisui and then talk.

You're using a feat from Tobi and trying to give it to Madara. Failure at its finest.

Not my or Onnoki's problem also Zetsu had recharged him just before that.

So what if it's not your problem. That doesn't change the fact that Sasuke was in an insane amount of pain due to overusing susanoo and completely exhausted. Not to mention it was MS Sasuke.