he showed you proof in the manga. that it was tobi who controlled yagura. when he first met him in the mist. then after itachi dead he referred to his an mizukage /madara-san. plus tobi had long hair when he first met itachi and he claimed he was madara aswell. ( i think tobi is a clone of madara my opinon. but he isnt the original madara).
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also note that this is after the attack on the village with the nine tails. and when tobi fought minato he had short hair. all he did was impersonate him to trick ppl that much is obvious. madara was long dead
I'm not butthurt at all. I'm just laughing at the fact that you continue to deny the obvious and that's that Tobi is the one that controlled Yagura, not Madara.
But hey feel free to continue to deny the obvious because it's pretty amusing if you ask me.
Hey you are the one who forced me to do that. Because its you who says that the fan cant use wind or Madara can't use clones...and why because Its not Canon. SO according to YOUR LOGIC If there's a page where Tobi Says that HE controlled Yagura then that's him.
he showed you proof in the manga. that it was tobi who controlled yagura. when he first met him in the mist. then after itachi dead he referred to his an mizukage /madara-san. plus tobi had long hair when he first met itachi and he claimed he was madara aswell. ( i think tobi is a clone of madara my opinon. but he isnt the original madara).
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also note that this is after the attack on the village with the nine tails. and when tobi fought minato he had short hair. all he did was impersonate him to trick ppl that much is obvious. madara was long dead
Hey you are the one who forced me to do that. Because its you who says that the fan cant use wind or Madara can't use clones...and why because Its not Canon. SO according to YOUR LOGIC If there's a page where Tobi Says that HE controlled Yagura then that's him.
Madara's never been shown using clones without mokuton thus there's ZERO proof that he can utilize them without it.
The video is from a game thus it's non canon, which means again there's ZERO proof that the fan can utilize wind.
Naruto met Utakata in an anime filler, but did he have any idea who he was in the actual manga? Nope. More proof that non canon crap doesn't qualify as proof thus your video is invalid.
I actually provided proof as to why Tobi is the one who controlled Yagura. It doesn't need to be a scan of him specifically stating "I'm the one controlling Yagura"
Still have fun continuing to troll by denying the obvious.
That doesn't mean he can control it properly, in the same way Madara and Tobi can. Haha, just to silence you I'll add this. Yamato can suppress the Nine-Tails. He can't control it. Know the difference my friend.
Madara's never been shown using clones without mokuton thus there's ZERO proof that he can utilize them without it.
The video is from a game thus it's non canon, which means again there's ZERO proof that the fan can utilize wind.
Naruto met Utakata in an anime filler, but did he have any idea who he was in the actual manga? Nope. More proof that non canon crap doesn't qualify as proof thus your video is invalid.
I actually provided proof as to why Tobi is the one who controlled Yagura. It doesn't need to be a scan of him specifically stating "I'm the one controlling Yagura"
Still have fun continuing to troll by denying the obvious.
Yeah whatever. So we don't know for sure whether Madara can control a jin or not. But still Madara >> Sasuke in every departement and that's what this thread is for.
You are in fact a good debater but you just need to broaden your view I mean its pretty ****ing obvious that Madara's fan is based on Wind Tech, in fact that can help us uncover more about the Character rather than arguing about it doesn't do anything.
Yeah whatever. So we don't know for sure whether Madara can control a jin or not. But still Madara >> Sasuke in every departement and that's what this thread is for.
Edo Madara sure, but EMS Madara hasn't presented nearly enough to prove that.
You are in fact a good debater but you just need to broaden your view I mean its pretty ****ing obvious that Madara's fan is based on Wind Tech, in fact that can help us uncover more about the Character rather than arguing about it doesn't do anything.
Are you Kishi? How do you know? Naruto has surpassed Hashi, so Sasuke will most likely surpass EMS Madara. Madara was just double as lucky to be born as an Uchiha and with a s***load of chakra
EMS Madara is forsure better than Sasuke, but why? Sasuke's special MS ability is Amaterasu, Madara's is unknown. Sasuke has great battle tactics, but Madara really hasn't shown expertise in that department. Sasuke has raiton, enton and katon. Madara just has been shown using katon.EMS Madara fought Hashirama and put up a hell of a match. If Sasuke fought Hashi, he wouldn't last a minute. Is the great difference between EMS Madara and Sasuke just due to Madara's enormous chakra levels? Whatcha think?
madara has not used the edo regeneration once in his fight except when he "killed" himself with his own meteor and when he let onoki hit him with jinton. the kages havent even hit madara yet.
also madaras walking twin susano>>>anything in sasukes arsenal
Sasuke and Itachi are easier to compare. For example Itachi had ms for a few years whilst Sasuke had it for(days? No idea how long it's been since the kage summit when he started using it a lot) but he's already surpassed Itachi at amatarasu and there's nothing to show much of a difference at how well they can use susanoo, Itachi's still ahead with tsukuyomi. That's the main reason why I don't think experience is a big deal, of course you need a little so you know how it works but it's not that much.
The reason why Sasuke got so good at Amarterau was because he spammed it like a f*cking lunatic and almost went completely blind within weeks (less maybe). Itachi kept his MS for years because he is not an idiot to spam them.
Also, Itachi used tsukuyomi a lot more than Amaterasu which is obviously why he was a master at it compared to his ability with Amaterasu.
Itachi>Sasuke at tsukuyomi (his preferred tech)
Sasuke>Itachi at Amertarasu (his preferred tech)
I bring up these points because Madara did the same sh*t with his MS from which I would take he became an expert at whatever he spammed, proof being he became blind just as quickly as Sasuke.
I have seen people say experience = nothing, what a load of bull. Without experience you would not have become proficient with your set. If Sasuke doesn't fight Bee, the kages and Danzo then he doesn't not become an expert at Amertarasu or Sasonoo. The fact that he doesn't use tsukuyomi, and that he is nowhere near as good as Itachi shows this.
Madara after obtaining his EMS, gained more experience and I believe mastered his EMS, which is probably when he decided to take on Hashirama (imo). In comparison, Sasuke has got absolutely negligible experience in using his EMS, he beat some white zetsu but no way does that mean he can use his abilities to the best of their capabilities.
What I am saying is, one day he will/should get there.
Also Madara carrying around a fan has to have some reason/significance. It's like someone carrying around a sword and never using it.
