what happend to uchiha is madaras fault.

[obito uchiha the wraith]

OP doesn't even understand what he believes.

His views of the timeline are severely skewed.

how is my view of the timeline skewered? madara sees problem. does nothing but tell people about it who don't see it. leaves village. attacks village making the problem even worse.

 

[Raekwon26]

I don't know maybe stay in the village and devise a plan so that this problem he forsaw WOULDNT happen like a good leader is supposed to do?

So, be sneaky? Plan backstage politics...............

We saw how that ended up for the Uchiha Clan didn't we?

 

[Colonel Armstrong]

I disagree...it wasnt maddys fault his ppl didnt wanna follow him..but i respect ur view on the matter

 

[obito uchiha the wraith]

He wasn't the leader of the Clan anymore, he left. EVERYONE in the village knew that.

Again, if the Village is going to characterize an Entire Clan in a negative view because of one person's actions then the village and the Uchiha was doomed from the start.

in the peoples mind he WAS still the leader and no not everyone knew its not like they just said hey everybody madaras gone while they were busy constructing a village. and where tobirama was morally right or wrong on judging the clan based off madara he was still right in the long run. sasuk, obito, and a bit of itachi.

 

[obito uchiha the wraith]

So, be sneaky? Plan backstage politics...............

We saw how that ended up for the Uchiha Clan didn't we?

no all he had to do was make the uchiha look good not like savage bloodhounds that only live to fight which is exactly what he did.

 

[Raekwon26]

in the peoples mind he WAS still the leader and no not everyone knew its not like they just said hey everybody madaras gone while they were busy constructing a village. and where tobirama was morally right or wrong on judging the clan based off madara he was still right in the long run. sasuk, obito, and a bit of itachi.

Yes, everyone knew. One of the two founding fathers of the Village leaves and you think no one knew about it? Really?

Tobirama was very wrong as his actions set off a chain reaction which led to the Massacre. His views inspired someone like Danzo.
Sasuke and Itachi (not really Obito) are testament to everything wrong with Tobirama's attitude back then.

 

[Raekwon26]

no all he had to do was make the uchiha look good not like savage bloodhounds that only live to fight which is exactly what he did.

That's not his job to make them look good.
They have their own views.
What you're bascially saying is that Hashirama also failed as Senju viewed Uchiha as Savages, you're saying that Hashirama didn't change their views = Hashirama's fault for their way of thinking.

That makes no sense.

You're acting like the everyone in the village already had this preconceived notion that the Uchiha were savage. If that's the case then the village was doomed from the start. You can't build peace with views like that lingering around. It creates unnecessary conflict.

 

[obito uchiha the wraith]

Yes, everyone knew. One of the two founding fathers of the Village leaves and you think no one knew about it? Really?

Tobirama was very wrong as his actions set off a chain reaction which led to the Massacre. His views inspired someone like Danzo.
Sasuke and Itachi (not really Obito) are testament to everything wrong with Tobirama's attitude back then.

how is obito not a testament to it? anyway I don't see why you cant understand that what madara did influenced both the villages view towards the uchiha and the uchiha themselves? if the leader of a group tries to kill you and everyone you love wouldn't you be scared of his family who were known blood hounds? don't you think they might follow his example?

 

[obito uchiha the wraith]

That's not his job to make them look good.
They have their own views.
What you're bascially saying is that Hashirama also failed as Senju viewed Uchiha as Savages, you're saying that Hashirama didn't change their views = Hashirama's fault for their way of thinking.

That makes no sense.

You're acting like the everyone in the village already had this preconceived notion that the Uchiha were savage. If that's the case then the village was doomed from the start. You can't build peace with views like that lingering around. It creates unnecessary conflict.

it is madaras job to make them look good HE IS THEIR LEADER leaders have to look good because they represent the people as a whole! if the leader doesn't represent his people well they will hate the people he leads as well. even if madara left the village his actions don't affect him alone.

 

[ssjsage]

I agree with the op. Also tobirama did not trust the uchiha but he said himself he gave them a job they would excel at. He knew their strong sense of love would help them in the police force. The uchiha just saw it badly. Madara attacking the village made the villagers scared that another Madara would come out of the clan. And then the ninetails attacked the village making it way worse.

If Madara would have stayed he would have been second f hokage and none of this would have happened. Instead he sought power instead of diplomacy

 

[Raekwon26]

how is obito not a testament to it? anyway I don't see why you cant understand that what madara did influenced both the villages view towards the uchiha and the uchiha themselves? if the leader of a group tries to kill you and everyone you love wouldn't you be scared of his family who were known blood hounds? don't you think they might follow his example?

How was Obito affected? Explain?

Also, if you're going to judge someone based on the actions of another then you're a fool. It's that simple really. The Uchiha chose the village over Madara. If the village want to act like Madara's actions speak for the entirety of the Uchiha Clan then so be it.

That's their own idiocy. Not gonna blame Madara for people thinking his clan are savage.

 

[Angelic.]

1.madara listened to izuna and didnt trust senju that must have stayed with him after his death.
2.madara liked power
3. obito as madara attacked the leaf and killed the uchiha saying he had a grudge. (how did madara know sasuke was the last anyway?)
4. madara turned his back on them too.

 

[NukaCola]

Madara was just a filthy terrorist and the Uchiha were just a bunch of traitors.

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[Raekwon26]

it is madaras job to make them look good HE IS THEIR LEADER leaders have to look good because they represent the people as a whole! if the leader doesn't represent his people well they will hate the people he leads as well. even if madara left the village his actions don't affect him alone.

HE'S NOT THEIR LEADER. He left, they chose the village over him.

That type of thinking is truly ignorant and judging people based on one person's actions is stupid.

Ask yourself this; Did the Uchiha view Tobirama as a Savage and then go on the characterize the rest of the Senju as such?

 

[obito uchiha the wraith]

How was Obito affected? Explain?

Also, if you're going to judge someone based on the actions of another then you're a fool. It's that simple really. The Uchiha chose the village over Madara. If the village want to act like Madara's actions speak for the entirety of the Uchiha Clan then so be it.

That's their own idiocy. Not gonna blame Madara for people thinking his clan are savage.

see you know nothing of diplomacy. you think madara LEADER OF PEOPLEs action wont affect someones opinion of the people he leads? he didn't even attempt diplomacy he instead decided to try to use force and that's why its his fault.

 

[Hiraishin Stage 3]

I disagree...it wasnt maddys fault his ppl didnt wanna follow him..but i respect ur view on the matter

Follow him to what? They were living peacefully with the village, you expect people to just leave everything and live in jungles?

Its madara fault for not even being able to have the trust of his own clan

 

[Slifer]

The real problem is still curse of hatred. In addition BZ manipulating Universe.

 

[SasukeSaviourofUchiha]

If anyone it is Indra's fault for starting the curse in the first damn place.

 

[Raekwon26]

see you know nothing of diplomacy. you think madara LEADER OF PEOPLEs action wont affect someones opinion of the people he leads? he didn't even attempt diplomacy he instead decided to try to use force and that's why its his fault.

I know plenty about Diplomacy, but it seems you don't know anything about the current topic. The Uchiha Clan had an option, stay in the village or leave with Madara. They chose the former. They showed that they did not agree with him and were choosing to no longer be associated with him. End of him being their 'Leader'.

Madara MADE a Village with the Senju.
Madara LIVED with the Senju.
Madara accepted Hashirama as Hokage.

What he didn't accpet was what he foresaw of what would happen to his clan if the Village continued down the path it was going.

You said he should of stayed and formed a plan, a Coup, basically.

So basically, he should have started another senseless war with the Senju leading to more unnecessary deaths and destruction.... A guy who fought and promised them Peace...... leading them to another war............

Sounds smart...........

 

[obito uchiha the wraith]

HE'S NOT THEIR LEADER. He left, they chose the village over him.

That type of thinking is truly ignorant and judging people based on one person's actions is stupid.

Ask yourself this; Did the Uchiha view Tobirama as a Savage and then go on the characterize the rest of the Senju as such?

he WAS THEIR LEADER him leaving doesn't change that fact it would be like the president defecting to another country and living there to claim war on America. do you not think that would change how people view americans? and no they didn't view tobirama as a savage because hashirama the LEADER of the senju spared them all and was even willing to kill himself for them.