Tsunade vs Itachi

[Megatolium]

That awkward moment when you thought this is gonna be a very technical and logical debate
Most of you guys aren't being logical...no offense.

 

[Chatte]

Things will never be logical when it comes to Uchihas, no offence. I like them as well, Madara is a boss, Itachi was a genius, Sasuke is the next generations' shining start, but don't expect them to be technical and debatable when it comes to Uchihas.

I've learnt it myself.

 

[partha420]

Lol itachi>>tsunade

 

[ESPADA NELIEL]

That awkward moment when you thought this is gonna be a very technical and logical debate
Most of you guys aren't being logical...no offense.

your right, i dont have a problem if she looses, but at least can a itachi fanboy explain clearly to me without contradicting them self how will she lose? cause the only thing they speak about is speed, i did a research and for all of you didn't know when katsuyu merges her chackra with her it creates a magnetic field that slows down a fast opponent withing 10meter range. thats why she could keep up with riakage.

 

[Megatolium]

Things will never be logical when it comes to Uchihas, no offence. I like them as well, Madara is a boss, Itachi was a genius, Sasuke is the next generations' shining start, but don't expect them to be technical and debatable when it comes to Uchihas.

I've learnt it myself.

Lol got a point, they are too overpowered, Obito beating Minato at the age of 16? Lol

 

[Sexy Steel]

lol like simple logic doesn't tell you that itachi > tsunade

 

[Megatolium]

Any person who has chakra restoring agents can escape any genjutsu(discounting Kotoamatsukami).

People sage as Jiraiya, Tsunade, Naruto etc.

 

[Sexy Steel]

Any person who has chakra restoring agents can escape any genjutsu(discounting Kotoamatsukami).

People sage as Jiraiya, Tsunade, Naruto etc.

sage mode makes you immune to genjutsu ?

what about izanami, and pls explain to me why sm kabuto bothered to blind himself if genjutsu truly doesn't work on sage mode.

 

[genii96]

Dude , why you can't Understand , it's a Spirituel Item , it won't be broken like a Normal Mirror

so what if it's a spiritual item?,it interacts in the physical world,the totsuka cut off hydra heads,is that spiritual or physical?,as long as it interacts with the physical world,it can also be hit,and tsunade's punches have smashed through a susanoo the man inside in one fell swoop,yata mirror is a shield that changes it's basic element to a one stronger than the one that's abt to hit it,rendering the attack useless,tsunade isnt using any basic element,so it wont have any strong effect,orochimaru was looking for the sword,why would he do that if he wasnt able to hold it?.

Spiritual simply means sacred in naruto,as yata mirror is part of the 3 sacred weapons,it is a shield that can be broken

 

[ESPADA NELIEL]

to me its clear that tsunade will ever be underrated, and i dont know why, maybe is because she doesn't spit lava like Mei doesn't use wind styles like naruto, cant use water styles like her grand uncle, doesn't possess earth styles like her grad father and the one element she has LIGHTNING. SHE DOESN'T USE IT IN A FAR RANGE ATTACK, I THINK THAT'S WHY EVERYONE UNDERRATE HER ON NARUTO BASE FORUM. I HOPE WHEN SHE UNLOCKS SHIKKOTSURIN THEN YOU ALL TAKE BACK YOUR WORDS.

 

[Gooner4life]

Any person who has chakra restoring agents can escape any genjutsu(discounting Kotoamatsukami).

People sage as Jiraiya, Tsunade, Naruto etc.

If it was 3 tomoe Itachi then you may have an interesting debate but with Itachi's MS it is too much, Tsunade is my favourite female* character and I don't really like Itachi but it is obvious where this one goes.

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[Sexy Steel]

im out of this thread nb has turned into something else

 

[ESPADA NELIEL]

THIS ARGUMENT WILL NEVER STOP; but steel remember that every sage mode is different we cant say because kabuto had to blind himself it will work on jiriaya sage mode as well; or tsunade cause no one knows if she has it or how it looks

 

[Minator93]

Tsunade is a Fodder.

 

[Slug Princess Tsunade]

Tsunade is a Fodder.

Itachi is a fodder.
A dead fodder.
Tsunade is at least is a living fodder.


'jokin xd

 

[Megatolium]

*face palm* do you guys even KNOW how genjutsu work? It disrupts chakra to give false experiences, and for Izanagi, its pointless to escape death just to meet it again.

Restoring chakra to chakra reserves restores its flow...

 

[iMicLykTyson]

*face palm* do you guys even KNOW how genjutsu work? It disrupts chakra to give false experiences, and for Izanagi, its pointless to escape death just to meet it again.

Restoring chakra to chakra reserves restores its flow...

please refer to post # 76 and answer the questions

 

[Nazgul]

Itachi wins with low-mid difficulty. All his moves can OHKO Tsunade, restrict MS to make this an even fight...

 

[Chatte]

Lol got a point, they are too overpowered, Obito beating Minato at the age of 16? Lol

About that, I still rest my case. Until further note explications, I won't comment on that.

I Someone convince Me or anyone Else , He/She is a good debater , that is Just inarguable But this match is very Clear how it will ends.

Seems like you forgot our previous debate when I proved that she could escape even Kotoamatsukami thanks to her excellent chakra control and the fact that she has Katsuyu.

No, now the only things I am researching as they could indeed provoke Tsunade problems is the shield and the sword.
But for the moment I am doing the research.

 

[Tazzilla88]

At the end of the day Itachi wins simply because of Genjutsu alone. Tsunade has no ninjutsu projectile techniques as far as i know meaning she is wholely reliant on Taijutus.

Same as Kisame's Weakness is Taijutsu, Guy and Tsunade's Weakness is Genjutsu due to them having to be up close for their fighting which is ideal for casting a simple genjutsu or even Tsukynomi

Totsuka Sword and Yata Mirror can deflect all attacks and one shot Tsunade.

Not much of a match up here.

I think your underestimating a bit here Negative.
Amaterasu- Tsunade though has shown her great will power being able to force herself to protect Naruto during her hemophobia, forcing her self to overcome hemophobia, forcing herself to attack while impaled, her resolve to never give up.

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So we can reasonably assume she'd have the capabilities to continue to move even while she's on fire. And it would seem that hitting Tsunade with Amaterasu is a bad idea because the next time she goes to attack Itachi while still being covered in flames, he'd be screwed trying to put out the black flames she just put on him. If you think well Susanoo will protect him, the flames that were on Sasuke's susanoo were not attacking it but as Mei's lava showed, Susanoo melts and if the black flames are attacking and the flames are hotter than Mei's lava Susanoo will melt and Itachi will still be screwed. Amaterasu suppression seems like it takes a lot out of you based on Sasuke's response when he fought Bee.
Tsukuyomi and other offensive genjutsu- Firstly I believe she has the mental fortitude to withstand Tsukuyomi considering the feats shown above. Further more we all know that Tsukuyomi is genjutsu. Of all characters living she seemingly has the best chakra control. We know her chakra control is great because she says healing requires a lot of chakra. Yet she healed an entire village twice.

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And the way we understand genjutsus is as such:"Genjutsu is created when a ninja extends their chakra flow through the cerebral nervous system of their opponent to control their mind's chakra, thereby affecting their five senses."
You may now say Itachi said only Closely related Uchihas can break Tsukuyomi. If you consider that Itachi lies to protect his brother and he plotted for his brother to get his eyes. Then if anyone knew this wasn't true that would put Sasuke in danger. Thus we're not sure if Itachi's words are true. As she can treat Tsukuyomi.

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Judging by how easily it was cured. I say she has a pretty good knowledge about how Tsukuyomi works and how exactly it affects the brain. In addition we know she lived to meet her Grandfather and GrandUncle. Her Grandfather fought against Madara several times so no doubt he taught her not to get trapped in Genjutsu and not to look an Uchiha in the eyes. Furthermore I'm sure he would have showed her a technique similar to Gai's sharigan avoidance. Given Gai isn't that smart. (He thought Kisame was his true self.) I see know reason Tsunade can't do the same. And we don't know how Uchiha genjutsu's affect people of the Senju clan. Itachi probably never fought an Senju and wouldn't have known whether they were capable of breaking it or not. And I imagine Madara and the Elder son of the So6P would have had an easier time if Senju's fell pray to their Genjutsus. In addition a mini katsuyu on her shoulder would be able to inject chakra into Tsunade's system.
Susanoo-

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Now it is true, Itachi has yata mirror which poses a problem for offense.But considering she has Katsuyu who's acid must be more acidic than Mei's( as Katsuyu's easily and quickly melted rock and Mei's barely melted the rock wall in the room in which she was melting Sasuke's susanoo was not melting at all) Could attack Sasuke from Behind. Leaving a gaping whole in Susanoo.

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We know a melting Susanoo is structurally weaker than even a level 1 Susanoo because Raikage punched through Susanoo's skelton (with Oonoki's help) after Mei melted it with lava when even with Oonoki's help you didn't break a stage 1 Susanoo that was already cracked

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And as Tsunade has been able to get behind an EMS clone with Rinnegan shared vision while out numbered and without Katsuyu she should be able to strike the weaker Susanoo in an area not protected by the Yata Mirror.

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Totsuka Blade-In order for the Totsuka Blade to be truly effective he has to hit Tsunade with it. Tsunade is the world's best medical ninja and we know that based on what she taught Sakura that healing is the tertiary function of a medical nin, and avoiding attacks is the the primary task of a medical nin because if they die there's no one to heal the team.

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Therefore it only stands to reason that Tsunade is one of the most evasive characters in Naruto if her primary skill is evasion when her tertiary skill is unparalleled. People mistake her decision to tank as an inability to avoid. But Madara's Katon is a perfect example of how she could have done either but chose to tank the attack.

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And Orochimaru's sword is an example of a time she chose to intercept a hit.
In addition if Tsunade's body were incapable of reacting quickly to attacks then Dan would not have been able to help her dodge Madara's attack as it still would have been impossible. There is a big difference between hitting large targets such as the heads of Oro's Hydra Tech and hitting a woman. There's a large difference between hitting a stationary man not paying attention and hitting an evasion specialist.

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Taijutsu and Sharingan reading-While Itachi may be able to avoid direct hits from Tsunade via Sharingan reading of movements another issue arises in terms of taijutsu, the tendacy of her strikes to send shockwaves through the ground. Itachi would have no way of reading those. Not only does her her heavenly kick of pain do this but as seen with her scuffle with kabuto, as do her ground centered punched, and in her encounter with naruto her finger attack does as well.

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And because of those events we know she is not above using shockwaves as a means of a attack or defense. So while Itachi may think he has dodged the attack he may end up in a predicament very similar to problem Pein's Preta Path encountered when he tried avoid Naruto's punch. Additionally Tsunade taught Sakura how to pick up on an opponents method of fighting and alter your own to better defend, and by extension attack so Tsunade should be able to effectively outdo Itachi in taijutsu

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Ye, she faught rib cage Susano and only just broke it. One battle dosent give you experience, she didnt dodge anything and she killed Madara? This thread isnt serious.

Tsunade has completed 1,256 official missions in total: 40 D-rank, 236 C-rank, 467 B-rank, 418 A-rank, 95 S-rank. So no one battle doesn't give you experience but 1,256 missions do.