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How can you hurt yourself if your entire body is paralyized?
How can Samurai use Kai, when we're not allowed to since it's classified as a "Ninjutsu"?

And how fair is it for me to say to someone "No Gen" in a fight, when Gen is their specialty? That'd be like someone telling me "No Ken." Ultimately, there needs to be a balance, so that anyone has the ability to fight anyone, and that it ultimately comes down to the skill of the person using the abilities, not the abilities themselves.
I don't like genjutsu myself, never have, just like jiraiya. Especially ones that take control of your body. I know you can't use kai because of how it's classed but couldn't you make a variation of it? Just for samurai users? Like you've made variations to counter elements xd

So you want to fight someone who uses gen as their speciality, but you want to moan that you can't break out of gen? That doesn't make sense to me xd
 

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How can you hurt yourself if your entire body is paralyized?
How can Samurai use Kai, when we're not allowed to since it's classified as a "Ninjutsu"?

And how fair is it for me to say to someone "No Gen" in a fight, when Gen is their specialty? That'd be like someone telling me "No Ken." Ultimately, there needs to be a balance, so that anyone has the ability to fight anyone, and that it ultimately comes down to the skill of the person using the abilities, not the abilities themselves.
but that is balance Keotsu. Your speed, close combat flexibility, reflexes, physical strength, etc comes at a price. Your samurai bio comes with a drawback as anything in the RP. You are vulnerable to Gen and Elemental Ninjutsu. Same as my Hashirama is vulnerable towards Lava and Lightning or my Hyuuga against elemental KGs and EIG users. Every type of bio has a drawback. For me your samurai being vulnerable to gen comes at the price of being a samurai. Its part of your bio. Its part of your vulnerability. And paralyzing type genjutsu aren't unbreakable even if you can't move or can't use ninjutsu. But that i'll keep to myself. Also, Kai is part Genjutsu part Ninjutsu although its in the Genjutsu section.
 

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Read it for the like...10th time or so. Didn't think it was yours mainly because I can see about...hum...5 (mininum) cannon ways to defeat you even if you use them to their fullest extent...and this is not counting Custom ways. Because of that, I don't find it unreasonable or overpowered even if the end result is powerfull.

As for the issue of revoking things from the users, its not done lightly. It was approved at some point meaning that in that point it fullfilled every single logic reasoning that was needed in order to approve a technique. It that time, it made sense. Its very very complicated to take something away from a member when its already a mayhem of moaning and arguments when we simply decline a CJ. It has been done before but only in extreme cases. Its not something we take lightly or do on a whim. Example: Dante.. tried to upgrade his Rebellion CW. At this point in time that CW would never be approved. If i was to check it, I'd need to do it like i would do to any other CW in the base. And doing so, he'd end with a weaker CW. Instead i checked it with "don't try and update it because you'll need to drop things and make it weaker to be approved now than it was back then". I could have simply declined it...forever. But i also understand that once approved its approved. It shouldnt be taken down on a whim. The RP evolves, yes, but we shouldn't be to hasty or too harsh on such matters.

However Zero, what you should be complaining about should be the basic knowledge of the RPears and not the oped techniques. I've been checking the fights of the tournament as you all know and have seen people who have mastered everything (some are senpais, senseis, former ones, etc) do the most ridiculous, illogical, weird moves or assumptions that its painfull to read. Some don't even know how to use their own customs or the customs they get acess to. The problem of the RP isn't the oped techniques imo as most members have access to one or two powerfull techniques. The problem is that most supposedly top notch role players don't know how to play.
Still, I follow his logic. Things like that get ridiculously overpowered, extremely quickly. At my peak, I'm immune to all Nin and Genjutsu, and some Tai and Kenjutsu. The only thing I'm really effected by is Freeform and Poisons.


I don't like genjutsu myself, never have, just like jiraiya. Especially ones that take control of your body. I know you can't use kai because of how it's classed but couldn't you make a variation of it? Just for samurai users? Like you've made variations to counter elements xd

So you want to fight someone who uses gen as their speciality, but you want to moan that you can't break out of gen? That doesn't make sense to me xd
But, again, that leads the Samurai to being forced to rely on customs...which is why this thread was started.

xd I don't intend to make sense, that's just how I feel about the issue. All I'm saying, is that we (the Ken user and the Gen user) should be able to fight fairly, if they wanted to.

but that is balance Keotsu. Your speed, close combat flexibility, reflexes, physical strength, etc comes at a price. Your samurai bio comes with a drawback as anything in the RP. You are vulnerable to Gen and Elemental Ninjutsu. Same as my Hashirama is vulnerable towards Lava and Lightning or my Hyuuga against elemental KGs and EIG users. Every type of bio has a drawback. For me your samurai being vulnerable to gen comes at the price of being a samurai. Its part of your bio. Its part of your vulnerability. And paralyzing type genjutsu aren't unbreakable even if you can't move or can't use ninjutsu. But that i'll keep to myself. Also, Kai is part Genjutsu part Ninjutsu although its in the Genjutsu section.
True that may be, but playing as a Samurai has more cons than positives, though, admittedly, that's a hardship we chose to put ourselves through. In comparison, say Sannin v Sannin, a Samurai versus a Shinobi, the Samurai has no perks. The Shinobi is just as fast, just as strong, has as good reflexes as the Samurai, and has access to all the same techniques, bar about five cannon techniques.

As far as the RP is concerned, Samurai are Shinobi stripped of their Ninjutsu and Genjutsu capability, with nothing to balance that out.

And as for the Gen, I know their are ways; i.e. since Genjutsu doesn't stop chakra flow, the Samurai Sabre Technique can be used to damage yourself by forming a dangerous shape. And that only reinforces the fact that Samurai can't use it.

I admit, there are lots of things in my opinion that don't make much sense, or are wrong..but, at the same time, I know I'm making some good points.


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Ah, I think we've digressed from the thread's main topic...
 
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"sneaking bastards"

medjutsu moaning.. *sigh*

yet again, all I see is someone moaning that someone has something they cant get?

at the end of the day this thread boils down to a child spitting his dummy out
 
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Still, I follow his logic. Things like that get ridiculously overpowered, extremely quickly. At my peak, I'm immune to all Nin and Genjutsu, and some Tai and Kenjutsu. The only thing I'm really effected by is Freeform and Poisons.



But, again, that leads the Samurai to being forced to rely on customs...which is why this thread was started.

xd I don't intend to make sense, that's just how I feel about the issue. All I'm saying, is that we (the Ken user and the Gen user) should be able to fight fairly, if they wanted to.
Well, i was gonna reply, but it looks like scorps explained it better than i ever could xd

You say you're only effected by them, but i can prove that wrong if you wish? I believe stuff like swamps and binding jutsu will still work on you (depending on the jutsu and what you have active of corse). xd
 

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Well, i was gonna reply, but it looks like scorps explained it better than i ever could xd

You say you're only effected by them, but i can prove that wrong if you wish? I believe stuff like swamps and binding jutsu will still work on you (depending on the jutsu and what you have active of corse). xd
i do beleive when the samurai system was made i worked with zen to make a tech to break gen for samurai..

"mamori gatana" i do beleive its called.. xD

anyway.. zero, it wasnt all that long ago that you were the one greedily snapping up every op ability you could get so kindly cut the hypocritical crap tyvm ^_^
 

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I guess I should say something since I am probably the only person that has master everything and still hasn't got any OP stuff as others would say.

Zero don't you have Gates and CM, on the same bio? So should you be the one moaning about what is OP and isn't?

K kenjutsu tech is off the charts but still attacks can't hit him F or S rank down but not genjutsu.

The Chakra Cocoon, the user can't attack you while in it so why moan about that. You both are safe from each other for the time being.

If a bio is immune to something, let it be. There is always a drawback to this.
 

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Yeah, it's pretty bad, considering that K also can make it go up to and including Forbidden rank techniques, making him immune to practically anything, if he wants, and then proceed to dole out 2160 damage two turns later with Set-up that the opponent won't be able to stop since they can't damage him.

...But, I do agree with your point. I've tried my best to make my intentions clear with my techniques. Though it's happened by accident, especially with my Summons, I never intended to sneak power by anyone.

Truth be told, the Mods - as far as I know - do have the power to revoke things, but generally don't due to the cries of unfairness or favoritism that will come with it. "Why did A get to keep his technique and I'm losing mine?" Things like that.

However, I can say this. The unbalanced amount of power that comes from a lot of these customs stems from the fact that our RP system itself is unbalanced and crappy.

For example, if there were actually a way to actively use freeform, and a way to combat Genjutsu (as of right now, Genjutsu jutsu is EXTREMELY overpowered, but no one seems to notice), I would willing give up all my Customs, so that I could fight as a Samurai and still have fun, without having to have made such ridiculous customs just so I can fight in Free-form like I want. It's impossible at the moment, as even with a well thought out and described movement, you're not allowed to "dodge" jutsu.

This RP is all about Power or Speed, and not fun, and that severely needs to be fixed.

I'm sure I digressed somewhere or beat around the bush, but, ultimately, I agree with you. But, also, perhaps the Narutoverse isn't one that's well designed for an RP, either.
That is actully really true.. all the rp is about today is Speed and Power...
Im noone to say they should bann these forbidden jutsus but they should limit these OP... Ion particle.......... Meh... They should just give the people that have ion particle the raikage armor.. and bann the CJ... not to mention Ion particle is easy to dodge or counter......

but i DO agree. KE... All these OP customs need to be REALLY restricted or Just planned dumped.... and Im not talkn about the dormant op customs but the op customs thats being misused

1. You saw a problem in X's bio, point it out to a mod, they will investigate.

2. You're moaning about a cj? I spoke with a mod during our last fight and he said it was from a time before cfs which makes your armour valid and that your bio emits pulses? Making gen rather useless against you, and you're moaning about someone elses cj and a problem in their bio?

3. Anything that can stop S ranks has drawbacks. I'm guessing swords means it's a samurai bio jutsu and so they can't use elements ect...

4. The medjutsu was created by Nexus, and they can't attack while that jutsu is active.


Alls you've done is moan about people. Now you've done that people are just gonna get more pissed off and quit the rp because it's changed so much and you're taking away their fun. We've had this before when Xanthe moaned about heat sensing and stuff because Ali gave it to me and house...

You really wanna keep moaning or just avoid fighting people that aren't fun?

I dont see where the moaning is at... the points he made are very good..... If you are op then you wouldnt understand.. or rather.. YOU DO UNDERSTAND but choose to back up your ideals regardless

I like this thread... but the thing is... it won't change anything. It's a bit annoying that all these over-powered techniques are lying within unfathomable depths of Narutobase, but the way I see it, you just have to deal with it. 'Tough' as my teacher would say if I told her that someone had taken my seat. Sometimes in life, you have to 'deal with it', unfortunately, this is one of those times. It doesn't matter which RP you look in, you'll always find ridiculously overpowered things. Some of the stuff you've listed is an example of these overpowered techniques; but there's not much we can do about it.

As you stated in the OP, back then, techniques like those were considered the norm, and perhaps, not as OP as we see them today, so to take away their powers is unfair. It's like telling a kid to move because he sat in your seat first; you just have to move on.

Just my 2 cents on the matter. O_O
I find that udder and complete BS. they implimenting all these rules to NB that ONLY really affects noobies and underdogs.. they can do something but choose not too. Im sure they know we know that too...

How can you hurt yourself if your entire body is paralyized?
How can Samurai use Kai, when we're not allowed to since it's classified as a "Ninjutsu"?

And how fair is it for me to say to someone "No Gen" in a fight, when Gen is their specialty? That'd be like someone telling me "No Ken." Ultimately, there needs to be a balance, so that anyone has the ability to fight anyone, and that it ultimately comes down to the skill of the person using the abilities, not the abilities themselves.
KE!. I actually find your jutsus very fitting for somebody who can only make Customs regarding your kenjutsu since you cant use elemental ninjutsu... like Scorps said it balances out in your case... I mean... Its ways to get around your techs but its only fitting you are bad ass U_U

Overall I do agree. they should put restrictions on such things..
No offense to bishamon.. and its actually a good thing.. Take away his CE LAVA and give his bio(s) the KG element.. Its already a canon so...... Why make it a CE... give him his free space back.. Same with Zen... Give it to his bios auto and release the space so he can make more CE.. And let them keep their customs for it.....

A GOOD change needs to come about. I say this... Allow everybody to make one OP jutsu or just stop people from using it.... Simple
 
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That is actully really true.. all the rp is about today is Speed and Power...
Im noone to say they should bann these forbidden jutsus but they should limit these OP... Ion particle.......... Meh... They should just give the people that have ion particle the raikage armor.. and bann the CJ... not to mention Ion particle is easy to dodge or counter......

but i DO agree. KE... All these OP customs need to be REALLY restricted or Just planned dumped.... and Im not talkn about the dormant op customs but the op customs thats being misused




I dont see where the moaning is at... the points he made are very good..... If you are op then you wouldnt understand.. or rather.. YOU DO UNDERSTAND but choose to back up your ideals regardless



I find that udder and complete BS. they implimenting all these rules to NB that ONLY really affects noobies and underdogs.. they can do something but choose not too. Im sure they know we know that too...



KE!. I actually find your jutsus very fitting for somebody who can only make Customs regarding your kenjutsu since you cant use elemental ninjutsu... like Scorps said it balances out in your case... I mean... Its ways to get around your techs but its only fitting you are bad ass U_U

Overall I do agree. they should put restrictions on such things..
No offense to bishamon.. and its actually a good thing.. Take away his CE LAVA and give his bio(s) the KG element.. Its already a canon so...... Why make it a CE... give him his free space back.. Same with Zen... Give it to his bios auto and release the space so he can make more CE.. And let them keep their customs for it.....

A GOOD change needs to come about. I say this... Allow everybody to make one OP jutsu or just stop people from using it.... Simple
Taking away lava from bisha is like taking away cali swords >_>
He became re-known because of the minato + lava combos he made .-.

Everyone has a OP jutsu in their arsenal, they just dont know how to use it:rolleyes:
 

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Teno, i've been the guy that wasn't OP, when OP was at it's limits. You could have gates, MS and sage mode all on one bio, and it was allowed. Back they i faught with just one element i learnt, fire, and tried to win against the best of the best, and had fun doing it.

Along the way i've worked hard for all i have:

Sage mode - i've always had jiraiya and toads, and taught it alot, organised two sage mode tournaments and several tests

Ms an CM - i won in tournaments

I got that pwoer because i worked hard like everyone else.

But the only reason i'm replying is because Bisha had Lava element before it existed in the manga so you can't take it away from him. Much like Zen's hawk contract.
 

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Teno, i've been the guy that wasn't OP, when OP was at it's limits. You could have gates, MS and sage mode all on one bio, and it was allowed. Back they i faught with just one element i learnt, fire, and tried to win against the best of the best, and had fun doing it.

Along the way i've worked hard for all i have:

Sage mode - i've always had jiraiya and toads, and taught it alot, organised two sage mode tournaments and several tests

Ms an CM - i won in tournaments

I got that pwoer because i worked hard like everyone else.

But the only reason i'm replying is because Bisha had Lava element before it existed in the manga so you can't take it away from him. Much like Zen's hawk contract.
Im not saying it like that... I mean... Why waste a CE slot when its canon.. Just have them alter his bios where he can use lava and let him have his slots back... thats how i see it... its a good thing

Taking away lava from bisha is like taking away cali swords >_>
He became re-known because of the minato + lava combos he made .-.

Everyone has a OP jutsu in their arsenal, they just dont know how to use it:rolleyes:
same as above... and gaara i actually do agree with you on that
I have an Op customs that cant be countered but only blocked or avoided ;)... but I have to make sure to make more CJ to go alongside it so it wont really.... yea...
 

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Teno, i've been the guy that wasn't OP, when OP was at it's limits. You could have gates, MS and sage mode all on one bio, and it was allowed. Back they i faught with just one element i learnt, fire, and tried to win against the best of the best, and had fun doing it.

Along the way i've worked hard for all i have:

Sage mode - i've always had jiraiya and toads, and taught it alot, organised two sage mode tournaments and several tests

Ms an CM - i won in tournaments

I got that pwoer because i worked hard like everyone else.

But the only reason i'm replying is because Bisha had Lava element before it existed in the manga so you can't take it away from him. Much like Zen's hawk contract.
hmm, all of us with powerful abilities have earned them, sagemode - i won in a tournament, medical ninjutsu, ive gone through over a year of training and constant testing , i teach half the medschool, write some of the classes and generally work quite hard on this site..

Hell i give up hours of my time each week to finish the roleplay update to improve the enjoyment of everyone on this site..
 
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Im not saying it like that... I mean... Why waste a CE slot when its canon.. Just have them alter his bios where he can use lava and let him have his slots back... thats how i see it... its a good thing



same as above... and gaara i actually do agree with you on that
I have an Op customs that cant be countered but only blocked or avoided ;)... but I have to make sure to make more CJ to go alongside it so it wont really.... yea...
It's not a waste for him, it's unique for him. His customs for it, he has 12 lava customs that he can put on any bio, i've faught his Minato bio when he's used lava and it was awesome. It's for him to decide not us and he wants to keep it as his c.e and he has the rights to xd

Just gotta say, a jutsu that can only be blocked/avoided isn't OP. Or you would be saying all gen is OP because you can only release it or avoid it ;)


hmm, all of us with powerful abilities have earned them, sagemode - i won in a tournament, medical ninjutsu, ive gone through over a year of training and constant test, i teach half the medschool, write some of the classes and generally work quite hard on this site..

Hell i give up hours of my time each week to finish the roleplay update to improve the enjoyment of everyone on this site..
I have been in med school since before i was hokage in konoha... now how long ago was that? xd

I teach, i conduct tests, i organise and grade rain tests, always helping in the sensei forum with suggestions ect...

But no one cares xd Instead they just wanna moan about a few jutsu xd
 

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A genjutsu were the user falls asleep is OP... :| also about bishamon.. I was just saying.. Its his CE i agree its unique to him.. i was just saying let him keep his customs and just give him the lava KG on both bios... but if he prefer it on CE then eh... lol by all means its no different
 

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It's not a waste for him, it's unique for him. His customs for it, he has 12 lava customs that he can put on any bio, i've faught his Minato bio when he's used lava and it was awesome. It's for him to decide not us and he wants to keep it as his c.e and he has the rights to xd

Just gotta say, a jutsu that can only be blocked/avoided isn't OP. Or you would be saying all gen is OP because you can only release it or avoid it ;)




I have been in med school since before i was hokage in konoha... now how long ago was that? xd

I teach, i conduct tests, i organise and grade rain tests, always helping in the sensei forum with suggestions ect...

But no one cares xd Instead they just wanna moan about a few jutsu xd
ikr, noone seems to realise we actually put a lot of work and effort into helping nb, instead they get all jealous and butthurt that we have things they cant have ~_~

on a serious note:

If the senior rpers have everything they made to make their bios unique stripped from them because newer rpers call it op and unfair, they will leave.. simple

that leaves a system with no senior senseis, no experienced rpers, and just a bunch of newbies who dont know how to use cannon jutsu properly..

fun rp eh? yea..
 

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A genjutsu were the user falls asleep is OP... :| also about bishamon.. I was just saying.. Its his CE i agree its unique to him.. i was just saying let him keep his customs and just give him the lava KG on both bios... but if he prefer it on CE then eh... lol by all means its no different
Making them fall asleep is a distraction... giving you a chance to take advantage (clones ect)...

So you want to allow him to have his lava jutsu customs, on his minato bio, aswell as letting him have another c.e to replace his lava? xd

And you mentioned this in a thread moaning about OP stuff? xd
 

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I think we are derailing from the main point of this thread that was if mods should or not enforce new restrictions on old, powerful techniques. Honestly, lets look at this in a practical point of view and for that I'll write a few questions which I'm curious to see if anyone knows the answers:

-How many approved Customs do you think exist currently in NB?

-How many customs where submitted from January until now in our RP?

 

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Uh oh. I sense so much hate. Just so you know, some things get removed out of bios without anyone noticing.
In my case, something got overlooked once and later corrected (without any notification of it to me, so I have been using that ability even though it had been removed for a while). Not everything is as bad as it seems, not everything is what it seems either. And of course people make mistakes, that is what make them human.
There always will be flaws and loopholes, which can be fixed, but not in this way. This will only cause chaos and hatred and so on..
 

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I think we are derailing from the main point of this thread that was if mods should or not enforce new restrictions on old, powerful techniques. Honestly, lets look at this in a practical point of view and for that I'll write a few questions which I'm curious to see if anyone knows the answers:

-How many approved Customs do you think exist currently in NB?

-How many customs where submitted from January until now in our RP?

Basically, the sheer turnover of customs is far too great for you to go backtracking and rechecking every single one..
 

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I think we are derailing from the main point of this thread that was if mods should or not enforce new restrictions on old, powerful techniques. Honestly, lets look at this in a practical point of view and for that I'll write a few questions which I'm curious to see if anyone knows the answers:

-How many approved Customs do you think exist currently in NB?

-How many customs where submitted from January until now in our RP?

1. Hmmm 10,000 ish

2. atleast more than half of the total ever created.
 
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