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Yes it really has lost it purpose. I really don't even see the many of moaning/arguing over what is OP and what isn't. IMO nothing should be revoke, just adopt.
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Lol at some of the people on this thread...(no names). There are valid points on both sides, yet all I read is "stop whining", "just deal", "your thread sucks...etc" lol
@ Zero I'm with you you made good points, not only from your pov but from many others.
@ Minato no one thinks less of your contribution to NB, but really throwing you work in front of the problem of the thread is not helping, nether is saying that all of the "reviewed" members will quit and the RP will die....
The point of this thread is to inform the higher ups of a problem and to pose a solution for said problem. Let there be no question that there are OPed cj and of course those that are OPed will say there is not, but walking is easy to you and basic but if you step on a ant, the ant will think you're OPed (and you would be to him). And before you say well just try harder...etc no amount of trying will make that ant on the scale of what's OPed to him. And with that that's the system we are in; the later you joined the less you can hope to obtain, at least in OPed cj
That's just my 2 cents
PS I'll help out where I can @SY and Zero
@ Zero I'm with you you made good points, not only from your pov but from many others.
@ Minato no one thinks less of your contribution to NB, but really throwing you work in front of the problem of the thread is not helping, nether is saying that all of the "reviewed" members will quit and the RP will die....
The point of this thread is to inform the higher ups of a problem and to pose a solution for said problem. Let there be no question that there are OPed cj and of course those that are OPed will say there is not, but walking is easy to you and basic but if you step on a ant, the ant will think you're OPed (and you would be to him). And before you say well just try harder...etc no amount of trying will make that ant on the scale of what's OPed to him. And with that that's the system we are in; the later you joined the less you can hope to obtain, at least in OPed cj
That's just my 2 cents
PS I'll help out where I can @SY and Zero
I don't support this idea because i've had my very first cj approved last week and i'll be damned if that ever gets removed. The thing is once a jutsu is approved it means there is no longer a need to tweak things and it was perfectly acceptable for the user to have it and that goes for every OP jutsu out there so how much would the trust of approval get reduced if techniques would just get revoked or restricted after approval? Besides there is always a way to counter even the most op techniques except of course the very stupid ones like 'i kill you by blinking' but even those were once seen as ok by a mod once upon a time.
Bottom line: Once something gets "approved" by a mod and i don't care how drunk they are that morning, it becomes a patent just like ce and they should never go back on it.
Bottom line: Once something gets "approved" by a mod and i don't care how drunk they are that morning, it becomes a patent just like ce and they should never go back on it.
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Darn this was spammed over night. To the question about what would happen if while a member has that tech active he's targeted by a Gen, the answer is simple. F-Rank Gen would dispel the "mode" and S-Rank and below would work like they normally do.
Double casting Genjutsu or casting multiple genjutsu works. However, what people tend to understand by double and multi layered gen is a technique, a genjutsu, that produces a multi layered illusion. Dispelling the first, renders you caught in the second which you need to then dispel. Thats what will never be approved and isn't possible and that's what people tried to submit before. Multi layered doesn't exist. Multiple simultaneous illusions yes. Those are possible. However, releasing from one, releases from the other as they are both working at the same time.
Casting a Genjutsu upon another genjutsu can work but only when the illusions are compatible and there isn't an overpowering issue.
Example:
-I cast a C-Rank illusion making you see butterflies then try to cast a B-Rank illusion that makes you see eagles floating around.
The moment i cast the B-Rank illusion, i'm overpowering the C-Rank one and dispelling it. If it was the B-rank first, then the C-rank ok, he'd be left seeing butterflies and eagles.
However, this is were it gets tricky. Imagine that I use a gen, A-Rank, that makes him experience torturing visions of death. Then I cast a B-Rank soothing illusion that would end up making him sleep. Whould it be possible? No. Both illusions aren't compatible. As in what you are making the enemy experience isn't in any way compatible.
Bottom line is that you'll need to be sure that the illusions you are casting upon eachother would "work" or "function". Otherwise it won't be possible.
The only moment so far where we saw a double layer genjutsu was the use of False Surrounding, creating a denser illusion. It was like casting it twice to make the effects stronger and more detailed. Creating instead of a simple alteration of the surroudings, a more labyrinthian illusion. Its like taking it to another step.
As for the rest of this issue, Caliburn said it all. We are able to revoke things and re-check things and edit things once they are approved. However, we don't do it lightly or just because one issue happened. Its not a light hearted decision and I'm sure everyone understands.
As for NB Gen, I talked to Caliburn and he'll reevaluate it to be sure its reasonable since apparently more complaints were issued about it other than migs. In the end it might even be declined or removed for good. We'll see.
Regarding this thread, I'm closing it. The main point came across and the main issues were approached. Some heated comments (mine included, and I'm sorry to mig for them) have been exchanged but nothing more can be gained from this other than spamming and insulting eachother.
Double casting Genjutsu or casting multiple genjutsu works. However, what people tend to understand by double and multi layered gen is a technique, a genjutsu, that produces a multi layered illusion. Dispelling the first, renders you caught in the second which you need to then dispel. Thats what will never be approved and isn't possible and that's what people tried to submit before. Multi layered doesn't exist. Multiple simultaneous illusions yes. Those are possible. However, releasing from one, releases from the other as they are both working at the same time.
Casting a Genjutsu upon another genjutsu can work but only when the illusions are compatible and there isn't an overpowering issue.
Example:
-I cast a C-Rank illusion making you see butterflies then try to cast a B-Rank illusion that makes you see eagles floating around.
The moment i cast the B-Rank illusion, i'm overpowering the C-Rank one and dispelling it. If it was the B-rank first, then the C-rank ok, he'd be left seeing butterflies and eagles.
However, this is were it gets tricky. Imagine that I use a gen, A-Rank, that makes him experience torturing visions of death. Then I cast a B-Rank soothing illusion that would end up making him sleep. Whould it be possible? No. Both illusions aren't compatible. As in what you are making the enemy experience isn't in any way compatible.
Bottom line is that you'll need to be sure that the illusions you are casting upon eachother would "work" or "function". Otherwise it won't be possible.
The only moment so far where we saw a double layer genjutsu was the use of False Surrounding, creating a denser illusion. It was like casting it twice to make the effects stronger and more detailed. Creating instead of a simple alteration of the surroudings, a more labyrinthian illusion. Its like taking it to another step.
As for the rest of this issue, Caliburn said it all. We are able to revoke things and re-check things and edit things once they are approved. However, we don't do it lightly or just because one issue happened. Its not a light hearted decision and I'm sure everyone understands.
As for NB Gen, I talked to Caliburn and he'll reevaluate it to be sure its reasonable since apparently more complaints were issued about it other than migs. In the end it might even be declined or removed for good. We'll see.
Regarding this thread, I'm closing it. The main point came across and the main issues were approached. Some heated comments (mine included, and I'm sorry to mig for them) have been exchanged but nothing more can be gained from this other than spamming and insulting eachother.
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