You need the DNA it was said.. Because Izanagi was born from So6P technique, and Sage was both Uchiha and Senju in one.. And just think about it why madara tried to obtain the power of Hashirama ? Mokuton ? Ofcourse not, but for izanagi After he succeded he used it and faked his death so that it would convince even Hashi..
That means Tobi must have alot of chakra. But back to the thread, maybe that's why tobi can't unlock EMS but then again kakashi has MS. I believe Tobi's an Uzamaki . Quick question idk if this is correct of not but does Naruto have little bits and pieces of Senju in him? He is related to Hashirama from great distance of family
couldnt agree more i didnt think about the possibility of tobi not bein an uchiha soo good points
but watch kishi just curveball us n it turns out itachi has hashiramas dna... starts usin all the firsts boss wood style techniques.... lmao
We just have to wait and see, but if the technique has been labelled a forbidden uchiha technique that clearly hints that uchiha's in the past have used it and its now forbidden, which hints that true uchiha's dont need senju dna
I don't fully agree. The manga stated that izanami goes along with izangai. Tobi said danzō's izanagi was not complete. Maybe he required izanami for it to be complete. If theyre opposite forbidden techs than it is very possible that the requirements for having them will ot be exactly the same.
The requirements for a perfect Izanagi would be bloodrelations with Uchiha and Senju DNA. While Danzo had the latter, he was not an Uchiha, which could be the reason why his Izanagi was imperfect.
As the legend of Izanagi and Izanami goes, Izanami involves death, while Izanagi involves life. So the requirements might, indeed, not be the same.
This chapter has basically confirmed by beliefs and bare with me ill explain. Izanagi has been explained as a doujutsu forbidden even amonst the uchiha;
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Izanam has been called a pair to izanagi and it would make sense. Meaning its also a forbidden doujutsu even amonst the uchiha and will most likely carry the same drawback which is the loss of an eye;
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Now both have been called forbidden techniques amonst the uchiha which clearly hints that its an uchiha technique that an uchiha can use.
This is the power of izanagi;
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Tobi then explains in detail that for izanagi you need both senju and uchiha, but in the same page he called it an uchiha forbidden technique;
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Tobi then says basically says that danzo was experimented on to increase the time of izanagi, he also said danzo's was incomplete;
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Now alot of people still think you need senju or should i say hashirama dna and that might be the requirements of izanagi only and not izanami, but since they are a pair it would make sense to say that you also need senju dna, but that isnt the case.
Both techniques have been said to be uchiha forbidden techniques which makes sense to assume that they can use it without hashirama dna. The only reason why people think you need hashirama dna is because danzo and tobi needed, but i ask you this, are they uchiha's.?. Danzo for a fact isnt an uchiha, but we still dont know about Tobi and tbh this chapter has hinted that he might not be an uchiha if he needed senju dna to use an uchiha forbidden technique.
I believe a true uchiha with an uchiha body and shairgan can use it without senju dna, whilst people with shairgan's but do not have uchiha blood/body/dna, need senju dna to use it. Example itachi has said that an uchiha blood is what is required for the sharigan to work best;
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This clearly also ties into the fact that a sick itachi spammed ms technique's quiet alot against sasuke and even activated susano's full form. Same as sasuke after spamming several ms techniques, he was still able to activate susano's full form against kakashi whilst kakashi at full health and 100% used one ms technique and this happened;
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What im basically saying is that it could be that only true uchiha's with uchiha body and blood can use their forbidden techniques, whilst outsiders with shairgan need senju dna
i believe that its pretty obvious why the first's cells were need. its because like the uzumaki clan the senju were know to live long lives and have tremendous amounts a chakra shodaimeicon:
this is a little off topic it randomly popped into my head but do you think it might be possible that madara used both of the forbidden techniques to obtain the sage's eyes. just a hunch. no theory no logic behind it just random but not spam
Izanami involves death, while Izanagi involves life. it might be possible to use these to obtain something. they are both involved with yin & yang. yin being to create something from nothing and yang to breathe life into it.... hmmmm idk just ramdom
People im not trying to play kishi therefore if you have nothing better to say, its best you dont post at all instead of trying to insult me. Anyway this could be another theory and its actually backed by the manga somewhat. My theory was based on tobi not being an uchiha therefore using hashirama's cells, no different to danzo. But now ive another theory, its similar to the first one and in fact goes hand in hand.
I'l still hold my beliefs that a true uchiha can use both technique without hashirama dna, but its incomplete. That is the key word incomplete
Now i believe non uchiha's with the shairgan, need hashirama dna to use either technique's but that will also be incomplete.
Now this is where tobi comes in. Tobi was said to have the complete izanagi, whilst danzo was said to have the incomplete. This could turn the theory around and actually support the theory that tobi is indeed an uchiha. Because he is complete, he is not only an uchiha meaning he can use izanagi (although it will be incomplete), but with hashirama's cells he can use the complete izanagi, since he is a true uchiha, but also has hashirama cells.
So basically true uchiha's = incomplete
Non uchiha's with hashirama dna = incomplete
True uchiha + hashirama dna = complete
tobi just said that he fought with hashirama to obtain his ability ... what do u think of that? and he said this too "only those who possess both the powers of the uchiha and senju can use this forbidden jutsu" and "forbidden uchiha jutsu " refers to the first person after sage of the six path who found this jutsu, was a uchiha who had possessed senju powers too. im just saying this could be an other story
After he succeded he used it and faked his death so that it would convince even Hashi..
