Spoiler: Izanagi and Izanami DO NOT need senju dna

[Ultimatevirus]

cool post bro.. it makes sense

 

[~Uzumaki~]

It doesn't need Senju DNA, the DNA just alleviates the risk somewhat. Izanagi is something that without Senju lasts a few seconds but with Senju last 5mins for Tobi and 1 minute for Danzo.

 

[eroJiraya]

It doesn't need Senju DNA, the DNA just alleviates the risk somewhat. Izanagi is something that without Senju lasts a few seconds but with Senju last 5mins for Tobi and 1 minute for Danzo.

intresting :-?

 

[Kurama2012]

This chapter has basically confirmed by beliefs and bare with me ill explain. Izanagi has been explained as a doujutsu forbidden even amonst the uchiha;

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Izanam has been called a pair to izanagi and it would make sense. Meaning its also a forbidden doujutsu even amonst the uchiha and will most likely carry the same drawback which is the loss of an eye;

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Now both have been called forbidden techniques amonst the uchiha which clearly hints that its an uchiha technique that an uchiha can use.

This is the power of izanagi;

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Tobi then explains in detail that for izanagi you need both senju and uchiha, but in the same page he called it an uchiha forbidden technique;

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Tobi then says basically says that danzo was experimented on to increase the time of izanagi, he also said danzo's was incomplete;

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Now alot of people still think you need senju or should i say hashirama dna and that might be the requirements of izanagi only and not izanami, but since they are a pair it would make sense to say that you also need senju dna, but that isnt the case.

Both techniques have been said to be uchiha forbidden techniques which makes sense to assume that they can use it without hashirama dna. The only reason why people think you need hashirama dna is because danzo and tobi needed, but i ask you this, are they uchiha's.?. Danzo for a fact isnt an uchiha, but we still dont know about Tobi and tbh this chapter has hinted that he might not be an uchiha if he needed senju dna to use an uchiha forbidden technique.

I believe a true uchiha with an uchiha body and shairgan can use it without senju dna, whilst people with shairgan's but do not have uchiha blood/body/dna, need senju dna to use it. Example itachi has said that an uchiha blood is what is required for the sharigan to work best;

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This clearly also ties into the fact that a sick itachi spammed ms technique's quiet alot against sasuke and even activated susano's full form. Same as sasuke after spamming several ms techniques, he was still able to activate susano's full form against kakashi whilst kakashi at full health and 100% used one ms technique and this happened;

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What im basically saying is that it could be that only true uchiha's with uchiha body and blood can use their forbidden techniques, whilst outsiders with shairgan need senju dna



EDIT:
Anyway this could be another theory and its actually backed by the manga somewhat. My theory was based on tobi not being an uchiha therefore using hashirama's cells, no different to danzo. But now ive another theory, its similar to the first one and in fact goes hand in hand.

I'l still hold my beliefs that a true uchiha can use both technique without hashirama dna, but its incomplete. That is the key word incomplete

Now i believe non uchiha's with the shairgan, need hashirama dna to use either technique's but that will also be incomplete.

Now this is where tobi comes in. Tobi was said to have the complete izanagi, whilst danzo was said to have the incomplete. This could turn the theory around and actually support the theory that tobi is indeed an uchiha. Because he is complete, he is not only an uchiha meaning he can use izanagi (although it will be incomplete), but with hashirama's cells he can use the complete izanagi, since he is a true uchiha, but also has hashirama cells.

So basically true uchiha's = incomplete
Non uchiha's with hashirama dna = incomplete
True uchiha + hashirama dna = complete

the only thing im gonna say is the only reason why i believe senju dna is needed is because izanagi is the jutsu of the sage

 

[MangekyouJ]

This chapter has basically confirmed by beliefs and bare with me ill explain. Izanagi has been explained as a doujutsu forbidden even amonst the uchiha;

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Izanam has been called a pair to izanagi and it would make sense. Meaning its also a forbidden doujutsu even amonst the uchiha and will most likely carry the same drawback which is the loss of an eye;

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Now both have been called forbidden techniques amonst the uchiha which clearly hints that its an uchiha technique that an uchiha can use.

This is the power of izanagi;

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Tobi then explains in detail that for izanagi you need both senju and uchiha, but in the same page he called it an uchiha forbidden technique;

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Tobi then says basically says that danzo was experimented on to increase the time of izanagi, he also said danzo's was incomplete;

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Now alot of people still think you need senju or should i say hashirama dna and that might be the requirements of izanagi only and not izanami, but since they are a pair it would make sense to say that you also need senju dna, but that isnt the case.

Both techniques have been said to be uchiha forbidden techniques which makes sense to assume that they can use it without hashirama dna. The only reason why people think you need hashirama dna is because danzo and tobi needed, but i ask you this, are they uchiha's.?. Danzo for a fact isnt an uchiha, but we still dont know about Tobi and tbh this chapter has hinted that he might not be an uchiha if he needed senju dna to use an uchiha forbidden technique.

I believe a true uchiha with an uchiha body and shairgan can use it without senju dna, whilst people with shairgan's but do not have uchiha blood/body/dna, need senju dna to use it. Example itachi has said that an uchiha blood is what is required for the sharigan to work best;

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This clearly also ties into the fact that a sick itachi spammed ms technique's quiet alot against sasuke and even activated susano's full form. Same as sasuke after spamming several ms techniques, he was still able to activate susano's full form against kakashi whilst kakashi at full health and 100% used one ms technique and this happened;

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What im basically saying is that it could be that only true uchiha's with uchiha body and blood can use their forbidden techniques, whilst outsiders with shairgan need senju dna



EDIT:
Anyway this could be another theory and its actually backed by the manga somewhat. My theory was based on tobi not being an uchiha therefore using hashirama's cells, no different to danzo. But now ive another theory, its similar to the first one and in fact goes hand in hand.

I'l still hold my beliefs that a true uchiha can use both technique without hashirama dna, but its incomplete. That is the key word incomplete

Now i believe non uchiha's with the shairgan, need hashirama dna to use either technique's but that will also be incomplete.

Now this is where tobi comes in. Tobi was said to have the complete izanagi, whilst danzo was said to have the incomplete. This could turn the theory around and actually support the theory that tobi is indeed an uchiha. Because he is complete, he is not only an uchiha meaning he can use izanagi (although it will be incomplete), but with hashirama's cells he can use the complete izanagi, since he is a true uchiha, but also has hashirama cells.

So basically true uchiha's = incomplete
Non uchiha's with hashirama dna = incomplete
True uchiha + hashirama dna = complete

I had to actually read it a third time to really understand it....that even true Uchihas' are incomplete that need Senju's cells to be complete....correct me if I'm wrong....but doesn't that make you Wholely So6P??? If the S06P's son both share his DNA....and I mean both Uchiha and Senju....(that's a guess), then it would be naturally to think that they'd be able to do it without the need of the other....that being said If the 2 sons had children, they would more than likely need the other for the jutsu to be successful.....I'm just guessing at a continuation of you theory...

 

[Itachi Uchiwa]

Duh : People Why are you taking so long to Understand : Izanagi is an UCHIHA dojutsu : so basically any Uchiha Can use it with the stamina of his OWN body !
any Outsider will need to increase his body stamina to use Izanagi or Izanami.
Seriously : It's as simple as it is : why do you complicate things ?????
an Uchiha who wants to use an Uchiha dojutsu (Sharingan Based) he will use it !!
(Remember : Uchihas have The eyes and The body stamina to take the eye prowess : while the Senju has the Physical Prowess) is it so hard to understand ??

 

[naruto1246]

yep this makes since + rep

 

[Raito]

Duh : People Why are you taking so long to Understand : Izanagi is an UCHIHA dojutsu : so basically any Uchiha Can use it with the stamina of his OWN body !
any Outsider will need to increase his body stamina to use Izanagi or Izanami.
Seriously : It's as simple as it is : why do you complicate things ?????
an Uchiha who wants to use an Uchiha dojutsu (Sharingan Based) he will use it !!
(Remember : Uchihas have The eyes and The body stamina to take the eye prowess : while the Senju has the Physical Prowess) is it so hard to understand ??

Basically wrong. Kotoamatsukami for exapmle, you can use anyway but with a huge interval. Hashiramas DNA increases your power and thus you can use it with a short interval. Izanagi on the other hand is said to be a Jutsu where Uchiha AND Senju DNA is needed. Stop distorting the facts. Maybe an Uchiha can use Izanagi and Izanami without Senju DNA but MS, maybe not. Until it wasn't disproved, Tobi is right.

 

[6PathsofKami]

the only thing im gonna say is the only reason why i believe senju dna is needed is because izanagi is the jutsu of the sage

Why dafuq do people think izanagi is the jutsu of the sage? The sage had a jutsu called creation of all things which is way superior to izanagi. The uchuha basicly created izanagi by the influence of how creation of all things work. The sage never used a jutsu called izanagi it was made after his death by the members of the uchiha clan.

 

[Dorohedoro]

so we've seen Izanagi used 2x throughout the manga, once by Danzo (multiple times) and once by Tobi to escape Konan. We know that both Danzo and Tobi have Senju DNA. It would appear that the only ones willing to use Izanagi are people who have a ton of Sharingans at their disposal. I think true Uchiha are too smart to risk losing their own eyes... this however could change for Itachi, who's already dead. Also, it would appear that Itachi can use this Izanami even though he has Sasuke's eyes and not his own (is that how it works? I'm not positive on all the aspects of Edo Tensei... would Itachi get pretty much a second pair of his own eyes? Does Edo Tensei go back to when the corpse was alive or does it merely animate the corpse as is? does he have Sasuke's eyes?). Seems to me that Izanagi does require Senju DNA, but we'll see what the deal with Izanami is... since Itachi is such an accomplished liar, Izanami could just be a trick to get Kabuto off his game... Kabuto says that Genjutsu won't work on him because of the snake eyelids that block his sight... but Itachi can start Genjutsu just from pointing his finger. I think Kabuto is already under Genjutsu.

 

[Dorohedoro]

I had to actually read it a third time to really understand it....that even true Uchihas' are incomplete that need Senju's cells to be complete....correct me if I'm wrong....but doesn't that make you Wholely So6P??? If the S06P's son both share his DNA....and I mean both Uchiha and Senju....(that's a guess), then it would be naturally to think that they'd be able to do it without the need of the other....that being said If the 2 sons had children, they would more than likely need the other for the jutsu to be successful.....I'm just guessing at a continuation of you theory...

notice though, when Tobi says that he is Uchiha Madara, he mentions that 2 of the 6 paths (Uchiha and Senju) are one... what are the other 4 paths?

 

[lion fang master]

This chapter has basically confirmed by beliefs and bare with me ill explain. Izanagi has been explained as a doujutsu forbidden even amonst the uchiha;

Spoiler

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Izanam has been called a pair to izanagi and it would make sense. Meaning its also a forbidden doujutsu even amonst the uchiha and will most likely carry the same drawback which is the loss of an eye;

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Now both have been called forbidden techniques amonst the uchiha which clearly hints that its an uchiha technique that an uchiha can use.

This is the power of izanagi;

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Tobi then explains in detail that for izanagi you need both senju and uchiha, but in the same page he called it an uchiha forbidden technique;

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Tobi then says basically says that danzo was experimented on to increase the time of izanagi, he also said danzo's was incomplete;

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Now alot of people still think you need senju or should i say hashirama dna and that might be the requirements of izanagi only and not izanami, but since they are a pair it would make sense to say that you also need senju dna, but that isnt the case.

Both techniques have been said to be uchiha forbidden techniques which makes sense to assume that they can use it without hashirama dna. The only reason why people think you need hashirama dna is because danzo and tobi needed, but i ask you this, are they uchiha's.?. Danzo for a fact isnt an uchiha, but we still dont know about Tobi and tbh this chapter has hinted that he might not be an uchiha if he needed senju dna to use an uchiha forbidden technique.

I believe a true uchiha with an uchiha body and shairgan can use it without senju dna, whilst people with shairgan's but do not have uchiha blood/body/dna, need senju dna to use it. Example itachi has said that an uchiha blood is what is required for the sharigan to work best;

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This clearly also ties into the fact that a sick itachi spammed ms technique's quiet alot against sasuke and even activated susano's full form. Same as sasuke after spamming several ms techniques, he was still able to activate susano's full form against kakashi whilst kakashi at full health and 100% used one ms technique and this happened;

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What im basically saying is that it could be that only true uchiha's with uchiha body and blood can use their forbidden techniques, whilst outsiders with shairgan need senju dna



EDIT:
Anyway this could be another theory and its actually backed by the manga somewhat. My theory was based on tobi not being an uchiha therefore using hashirama's cells, no different to danzo. But now ive another theory, its similar to the first one and in fact goes hand in hand.

I'l still hold my beliefs that a true uchiha can use both technique without hashirama dna, but its incomplete. That is the key word incomplete

Now i believe non uchiha's with the shairgan, need hashirama dna to use either technique's but that will also be incomplete.

Now this is where tobi comes in. Tobi was said to have the complete izanagi, whilst danzo was said to have the incomplete. This could turn the theory around and actually support the theory that tobi is indeed an uchiha. Because he is complete, he is not only an uchiha meaning he can use izanagi (although it will be incomplete), but with hashirama's cells he can use the complete izanagi, since he is a true uchiha, but also has hashirama cells.

So basically true uchiha's = incomplete
Non uchiha's with hashirama dna = incomplete
True uchiha + hashirama dna = complete

I like ur post but I would have to disagree with u.
First izanagi does require senju power but seems that izanami doesn't.
2.why its it called an uchiha jutsu is because the sharingan is an uchiha circular jutsu unless another clan transplants it e.g danzo & kakashi.
3. It could have been a jutsu that was develop after forming othe leaf village.
4. Now this is just speculation for the way I see it kishi is likes positive with life force e.g itachi performs izanami 2 eyes gone, danzo life force looses one eye.

 

[dangerXzone]

Blaze release thank you sir. Congrats to you for actually giving it thought not like most of the 80 percent of ppl on NB. What's he saying pretty much is that izanagi/izanami is a doujutsu created by rikodou not the uchiha but rikodou u have to have the body and the eyes not just only the eyes. JESUS CHRIST!

 

[squigles]

You need the DNA it was said.. Because Izanagi was born from So6P technique, and Sage was both Uchiha and Senju in one.. And just think about it why madara tried to obtain the power of Hashirama ? Mokuton ? Ofcourse not, but for izanagi After he succeded he used it and faked his death so that it would convince even Hashi..

You do understand that the manga we read each week and the anime we watch each week, are not professionally translated, right?

That the people who clean them and translate them are prone to making mistakes and leaving out crucial information? Just a few weeks ago, we had a chapter that was so poorly translated, it sparked about a half a dozen questions about a number of different things.

Then someone came along with a much better translation, and it clarified everything.

That being said, you have to take these translations with a grain of salt, and try to keep things in context.

1. You don't need Senju DNA to be able to activate any Uchiha jutsu.

2. You only have to be of Uchiha blood -OR- have undergone an eye transplant.

3. Hashirama's DNA is special, in that it allows him to use the wood release technique, which is something that other Senju have never been able to do.

4. Because of wood release and certain techniques that come with it, someone who is capable of using Uchiha techniques can enhance those techniques by utilizing Hashirama's DNA.

5. This is something that Madara learned at some point, and even went so far as to gain Hashirama's DNA in order to combine it's power with his own.


Stop with this nonsense about 'Uchiha need Senju DNA to use Uchiha abilities.' It's completely ridiculous and doesn't make any sense.

 

[MrLukyso]

Or its a FORBIDDEN jutsu because you need to have SENJU in yourself eh ? And its extremaly dangerous without Rinne?

 

[MrLukyso]

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EXPLAINS EVERYTHING CASE CLOSED.

 

[dangerXzone]

Or its a FORBIDDEN jutsu because you need to have SENJU in yourself eh ? And its extremaly dangerous without Rinne?

Again! another person who clearly has a brain thank you..

 

[Zato]

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EXPLAINS EVERYTHING CASE CLOSED.

Actually it doesn't explain everything. 2 pages after that Tobi then basically says you need Hashirama's powers to control Izanagi and you have to fully control Hashirama's powers to complete Izanagi. So why on the page when he introduce the technique to Konan says you need the powers of Uchiha and Senju and makes it seem in general? We know that Hashirama has very special chakara, no other Senju is known to have chakara like his at all. So why would Tobi claim you need his powers to use this ability if you can just get it from just being a normal Uchiha/Senju half breed? This is exactly why Izanagi can probably be used by Uchiha's but the technique can be further enhanced by Hashirama chakara.

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Right there he is basically saying you need his specific powers to use Izanagi. I think this applies to outsiders of the Uchiha clan. If Izanagi is a forbidden technique of the Uchiha then obviously people in the Uchiha clan have been using it. So how does that go into play if you need Hashirama's power just to use the technique? Doesn't make sense.

 

[Totalflash101]

with all that evidence i definetly agree

 

[dangerXzone]

Right there he is basically saying you need his specific powers to use Izanagi. I think this applies to outsiders of the Uchiha clan. If Izanagi is a forbidden technique of the Uchiha then obviously people in the Uchiha clan have been using it. So how does that go into play if you need Hashirama's power just to use the technique? Doesn't make sense.[/QUOTE]

really dude? its forbidden because its too extreme and there body cant physically take on the stress in actually using the tech thats why the can only use it once. Isn't rikodou responsible for pretty much all the justus in existence. Rikodou could use that same technique and not go blind its incomplete dude its been said numerous times what more to be said.