~So let me try to understand this character Naruto Uzumaki~

[take it easy]

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Then what did he call him?

Originally Posted by takL
naruto: don't laugh at Obito!!
The Obito that aimed to be Hokage was...in my eyes...
Nothing less than badass!!

as i said naruto said about kid obito.

 

[ChocolateVanilla]

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Then what did he call him?

Went something like "Obito tried to become Hokage, In my eyes, he's nothing less of a badass!!!.

 

[KMCMILLAN99]

Yeah I guess, but last manga was slow! All about his death... but I was sure Obito was going to give his eye back to Kakashi

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

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This thread is like, Every Naruto hate thread put into one.

 

[JackelLord]

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most of these points are based on the misinterpretation of the manga.

For example, "10 minutes of good made up for a lifetime of bad". No where was this stated or implied. None of obito's 'feats of good' are being used to counterbalance his 'feats of evil', the reason NAruto shows Obito respect is for the person he has become after being TnJ by Naruto. And that person is one who would willingly do all those feats of good we saw in the last 10 minutes or so. So Naruto is absolutely not saying that what Obito did made up for all the bad, he just respects the person that Obito died as and can appreciate his change from the one who did do all those evil things and tried to initiate infinite tsukuyomi. So unless you can't see that the Obito who died is a different person than the one who did all those killings, it shouldn't be difficult to see how naruto can have respect for the current Obito.

Second, Naruto forgiving Obito doesn't mean he disrespects Neji. If you read the manga, you'd know that this whole idea of holding on to hatred just results in an endless cycle of hatred which screws over everyone including the people neji cares about. Naruto obviously cares a lot about Neji which is why he was hit so hard that he almost turned to the dark side when Neji died. Neji died for Naruto and the shinobi alliance, holding a grudge against Obito won't do anything to bring neji back, it will only get in the way of their victory, and if they lose here, neji's death would be for nothing. So rather than indulge himself in petty revenge that will render naruto a hypocrite and just another avatar for the cycle of hatred to flourish, naruto is not going to hold onto useless feelings like that.

Third, Naruto is a very realistic character. A realistic character isn't a character who merely is like you or me, or a person who exists in reality a realistic character is one who would act this way had he actually gone through the things he's gone through and holds the same ideals as he does in the manga. Normal people haven't been brought up in an environment where they were completely alone and hated throughout their childhood, nor do they have it as their lifelong goal to stop the cycle of hatred and find true peace without eliminating the value of humanity in the process. However, if a human in reality did go through something like what naruto did and possessed the same goals as him, then I find it very likely that they would be quick to forgive and treat another with respect, especially when they saw what led that person to fall into darkness.

Then there's stuff like the Child of Prophecy thing having nothing to do with falsifying themes of part 1 since Neji's theme was not about defying 'destiny' it was one's ability to change their own destiny if they wanted to. Naruto doesn't have any reason to change his destiny as his destiny is the savior of the world, so those two themes don't conflict. Hard work = strength wasn't really a theme in the manga, it was always fighting for someone else or 'protecting others' that was the the theme and motivation for working hard.

The other stuff like Naruto's powers being easily obtained, or him being a puppet aren't true either. Powers such as bijuu mode and Kyuubi chakra mode did require work on Naruto's part, it's just not the normal training that people go through in order to gain powers. In order for Naruto to gain KCM, he had to eliminate all the trace amounts of hatred he had for the people who've wronged him in the past. As we've seen from the OP's comments about Naruto's morality, doing something like that can be extremely difficult to do, or even impossible for some. Same thing with using bijuu mode, Naruto had to befriend Kurama, which could only happen by Kurama witnessing Naruto's high ideals. Hagoromo's powerup might be the closest thing to a freebie, however Naruto could still only use it after convincing the other 8 bijuu to help him and after giving Hagoromo and acceptable answer.

The rest of the stuff is pretty much just personal taste.

Looks like more biased fans are starting to give their opinionated arguments and lack of manga evidence to back up their reasoning.

 

[Dannie]

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Am guessing english is not OP first language, stoped reading after first paragraph. Anyway from my scheming through of the rest it, I think most of it are just old arguments that has been debunked severally.

What's wrong with his English?

Oh, nevermind it just sparks Naruto fanboys to attack someones grammar when they can't counter.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

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Then what did he call him?

He called Obito badass.

 

[ANiMUS]

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Hinata or lee had nothing to do with his statement same goes for any other character.
If you put all the different translations down and analyse them you would see that he was always just laying credence to the Hokage position, that's all.

Like I told you before you need to look at context.

The Obito that wanted to be Hokage was badass. Obito's past self. The Obito before he succumbed to darkness and the Obito that was dying in front of him. He was looking at Obito's good points and tucking the bad points away in order to stick up for him.

 

[~WastelandSociety~]

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most of these points are based on the misinterpretation of the manga.

For example, "10 minutes of good made up for a lifetime of bad". No where was this stated or implied. None of obito's 'feats of good' are being used to counterbalance his 'feats of evil', the reason NAruto shows Obito respect is for the person he has become after being TnJ by Naruto. And that person is one who would willingly do all those feats of good we saw in the last 10 minutes or so. So Naruto is absolutely not saying that what Obito did made up for all the bad, he just respects the person that Obito died as and can appreciate his change from the one who did do all those evil things and tried to initiate infinite tsukuyomi. So unless you can't see that the Obito who died is a different person than the one who did all those killings, it shouldn't be difficult to see how naruto can have respect for the current Obito.

Second, Naruto forgiving Obito doesn't mean he disrespects Neji. If you read the manga, you'd know that this whole idea of holding on to hatred just results in an endless cycle of hatred which screws over everyone including the people neji cares about. Naruto obviously cares a lot about Neji which is why he was hit so hard that he almost turned to the dark side when Neji died. Neji died for Naruto and the shinobi alliance, holding a grudge against Obito won't do anything to bring neji back, it will only get in the way of their victory, and if they lose here, neji's death would be for nothing. So rather than indulge himself in petty revenge that will render naruto a hypocrite and just another avatar for the cycle of hatred to flourish, naruto is not going to hold onto useless feelings like that.

Third, Naruto is a very realistic character. A realistic character isn't a character who merely is like you or me, or a person who exists in reality a realistic character is one who would act this way had he actually gone through the things he's gone through and holds the same ideals as he does in the manga. Normal people haven't been brought up in an environment where they were completely alone and hated throughout their childhood, nor do they have it as their lifelong goal to stop the cycle of hatred and find true peace without eliminating the value of humanity in the process. However, if a human in reality did go through something like what naruto did and possessed the same goals as him, then I find it very likely that they would be quick to forgive and treat another with respect, especially when they saw what led that person to fall into darkness.

Then there's stuff like the Child of Prophecy thing having nothing to do with falsifying themes of part 1 since Neji's theme was not about defying 'destiny' it was one's ability to change their own destiny if they wanted to. Naruto doesn't have any reason to change his destiny as his destiny is the savior of the world, so those two themes don't conflict. Hard work = strength wasn't really a theme in the manga, it was always fighting for someone else or 'protecting others' that was the the theme and motivation for working hard.

The other stuff like Naruto's powers being easily obtained, or him being a puppet aren't true either. Powers such as bijuu mode and Kyuubi chakra mode did require work on Naruto's part, it's just not the normal training that people go through in order to gain powers. In order for Naruto to gain KCM, he had to eliminate all the trace amounts of hatred he had for the people who've wronged him in the past. As we've seen from the OP's comments about Naruto's morality, doing something like that can be extremely difficult to do, or even impossible for some. Same thing with using bijuu mode, Naruto had to befriend Kurama, which could only happen by Kurama witnessing Naruto's high ideals. Hagoromo's powerup might be the closest thing to a freebie, however Naruto could still only use it after convincing the other 8 bijuu to help him and after giving Hagoromo and acceptable answer.

The rest of the stuff is pretty much just personal taste.

Well said,more then what I stated.

This should be the post that end all threads about this topic.

 

[Made in Heaven]

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Imagine if Ino, Shikamaru, Lee, Hinata, etc.. heard Naruto say Obito was cool and all this other shit. It's just so disrespectful to them. I think it's disgusting honestly.

I know! Kishi tried to make NAruto seem like a caring person with that comment, yet it makes him out to be an ass to his friends!

 

[AGoodBoy]

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Went something like "Obito tried to become Hokage, In my eyes, he's nothing less of a badass!!!.

The only obito that fits that quote is <12 year old obito (an irrelevant guy without a sharingan that naruto doesn't know). That doesn't redeem or justify his 20+ years of constant destruction.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

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This week the hate of Obito and Naruto has resurfaced a lot more. I wonder which character will be the next weeks victim?

 

[SageOfTheTenPaths]

> after someone tries to kill your parents and succeed you find them cool
> after someone tries to kill you when you were just a baby toddler you still find them cool
> after someone who summons the Kyubi on your own village that kills innocent people you find them cool
> after someone who creates an organization that consist of 10+ S ranked criminals that hunt Bijuu and Jinchuriki you still find them cool
> after someone who starts a war and tries to create a world under a dream you find them cool
> after someone who summons the Juubi and kills more people including your friends fathers you still find them cool
> after someone who one shots one of your friends and kills them you still find them cool
> after someone who summons the Shinju and kills even more shinobi you still find them cool

You want to know who did all of this? Obito did.

But unlike many "normal realistic" people, Naruto finds a man who did all of this to his life cool. Naruto might not be a revengeful boy set on hatred but at this point in the manga and this last chapter further confirmed for me that Naruto is one of the most, unrealistic morons I have ever met in manga/anime history.

If someone did all of this to me, you better be damn I would never find your ass cool even in the slightest. I would probably find you to be disgusting and a compete waste of human life and to make matters worse, Naruto was crying for him.

I just can't...

Well anyway, that's all I wanted to say.



So, what do you think about this?

Dude, your putting to much into something Kishi pullet out of his ass...

 

[Loki d]

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Are you serious the show is called Naruto.
1. Naruto is different from everyone, the reason he forgives is because he can relate to others knowing the tragedies that happen in life are not their fault. Leads to the new generation and how things will change
2. Don't be upset because you didn't get to se your fav character. Konoha 11 do get development you are just blind, Team Kurenai: Kurenai pregnancy, Torune and Shino, Kiba idc, Hinata acknowledging Naruto and how he changes her giving her inspiration, Team 10 you already know, Team Gai: they are the least important but we already know their backgrounds except for TenTen. Could their be a little more development YES but that will make things longer.
3.Naruto didn't know anything about the background of his surname and who his parents were if he did he would be a different person, everybody were told to be quiet about it. Naruto not having anyone is what shaped him into who he is. Naurto thought that he was a loser because nobody liked him. The whole destiny shit that you are talking about is stupid. Naruto was meant to be rivals with Sasuke because of the reincarnation thing but not Hokage. Asuma didn't become Hokage even though his dad was Hokage. Being Hokage wasn't part of his destiny.
3. I really don't care about the power ups because they are just power ups but at least they are creative. It's not your story so stop complaining
4. This WAR ARC is a character development for the Konoha 11 this is their first time experiencing war seeing many of their comrades die that shows that they are maturing, new generation experiencing war and plus with all of the other high ranking shinobi dying they will get replaced by the new generation when the war is over. This whole war is an experience for the konoha 11 and Gaara and many others.

 

[KisuneUchiha]

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Just like the hate against Sasuke is justified.

This thread is full of fallacies and butthurt, nothing more.

So you hate him because he's the main character, he easily forgives, he busts his ass and is now experiencing the fruits of his labor, and he's really strong. Makes sense.

In other words: naruto is stronger than mah fav, QQ.

I think everyone agrees Naruto's charcater is a train wreck except for his fans

This is complete bullshit, but not too unexpected coming from OP. All these shenanigans have been debunked countless times, yet the same 4 or 5 butthurt members keep perpetuating this shit.

Can't expect much more from the annals of this, though.

because all the naruto fanboys know this is retarded and wont waste there time fighting a useless battle against dopes like op XD

You're entitled to your opinion. It's wrong and based on gross misinterpretations and misunderstanding, but you're entitled to it.

Am guessing english is not OP first language, stoped reading after first paragraph. Anyway from my scheming through of the rest it, I think most of it are just old arguments that has been debunked severally.

Naruto forgives you because your body wasn't ready

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Ha!
You guys are hating it for no reason.
You gotta remember that Obito was brainwashed by Madara and had a puppet master seal on his heart .
Naruto knew that and tried to get him to remember who he was when he was connected to Obito .

I see nothing wrong with Naruto forgiving Obito . Naruto has been consumed by hate before and he knows what hate would lead too.
Too me naruto goes by this qoute,
"Forgive your enemies, but never forget their names."-John F. Kennedy.

Also it's not uncommon for authors to focus on the main character. Many books and comics does it.

Anyways it's a waste of time for me try to get you to see Naruto reason to forgive , etc .
So I'll just let you hate on a fictional character .

most of these points are based on the misinterpretation of the manga.

For example, "10 minutes of good made up for a lifetime of bad". No where was this stated or implied. None of obito's 'feats of good' are being used to counterbalance his 'feats of evil', the reason NAruto shows Obito respect is for the person he has become after being TnJ by Naruto. And that person is one who would willingly do all those feats of good we saw in the last 10 minutes or so. So Naruto is absolutely not saying that what Obito did made up for all the bad, he just respects the person that Obito died as and can appreciate his change from the one who did do all those evil things and tried to initiate infinite tsukuyomi. So unless you can't see that the Obito who died is a different person than the one who did all those killings, it shouldn't be difficult to see how naruto can have respect for the current Obito.

Second, Naruto forgiving Obito doesn't mean he disrespects Neji. If you read the manga, you'd know that this whole idea of holding on to hatred just results in an endless cycle of hatred which screws over everyone including the people neji cares about. Naruto obviously cares a lot about Neji which is why he was hit so hard that he almost turned to the dark side when Neji died. Neji died for Naruto and the shinobi alliance, holding a grudge against Obito won't do anything to bring neji back, it will only get in the way of their victory, and if they lose here, neji's death would be for nothing. So rather than indulge himself in petty revenge that will render naruto a hypocrite and just another avatar for the cycle of hatred to flourish, naruto is not going to hold onto useless feelings like that.

Third, Naruto is a very realistic character. A realistic character isn't a character who merely is like you or me, or a person who exists in reality a realistic character is one who would act this way had he actually gone through the things he's gone through and holds the same ideals as he does in the manga. Normal people haven't been brought up in an environment where they were completely alone and hated throughout their childhood, nor do they have it as their lifelong goal to stop the cycle of hatred and find true peace without eliminating the value of humanity in the process. However, if a human in reality did go through something like what naruto did and possessed the same goals as him, then I find it very likely that they would be quick to forgive and treat another with respect, especially when they saw what led that person to fall into darkness.

Then there's stuff like the Child of Prophecy thing having nothing to do with falsifying themes of part 1 since Neji's theme was not about defying 'destiny' it was one's ability to change their own destiny if they wanted to. Naruto doesn't have any reason to change his destiny as his destiny is the savior of the world, so those two themes don't conflict. Hard work = strength wasn't really a theme in the manga, it was always fighting for someone else or 'protecting others' that was the the theme and motivation for working hard.

The other stuff like Naruto's powers being easily obtained, or him being a puppet aren't true either. Powers such as bijuu mode and Kyuubi chakra mode did require work on Naruto's part, it's just not the normal training that people go through in order to gain powers. In order for Naruto to gain KCM, he had to eliminate all the trace amounts of hatred he had for the people who've wronged him in the past. As we've seen from the OP's comments about Naruto's morality, doing something like that can be extremely difficult to do, or even impossible for some. Same thing with using bijuu mode, Naruto had to befriend Kurama, which could only happen by Kurama witnessing Naruto's high ideals. Hagoromo's powerup might be the closest thing to a freebie, however Naruto could still only use it after convincing the other 8 bijuu to help him and after giving Hagoromo and acceptable answer.

The rest of the stuff is pretty much just personal taste.

Are you serious the show is called Naruto.
1. Naruto is different from everyone, the reason he forgives is because he can relate to others knowing the tragedies that happen in life are not their fault. Leads to the new generation and how things will change
2. Don't be upset because you didn't get to se your fav character. Konoha 11 do get development you are just blind, Team Kurenai: Kurenai pregnancy, Torune and Shino, Kiba idc, Hinata acknowledging Naruto and how he changes her giving her inspiration, Team 10 you already know, Team Gai: they are the least important but we already know their backgrounds except for TenTen. Could their be a little more development YES but that will make things longer.
3.Naruto didn't know anything about the background of his surname and who his parents were if he did he would be a different person, everybody were told to be quiet about it. Naruto not having anyone is what shaped him into who he is. Naurto thought that he was a loser because nobody liked him. The whole destiny shit that you are talking about is stupid. Naruto was meant to be rivals with Sasuke because of the reincarnation thing but not Hokage. Asuma didn't become Hokage even though his dad was Hokage. Being Hokage wasn't part of his destiny.
3. I really don't care about the power ups because they are just power ups but at least they are creative. It's not your story so stop complaining
4. This WAR ARC is a character development for the Konoha 11 this is their first time experiencing war seeing many of their comrades die that shows that they are maturing, new generation experiencing war and plus with all of the other high ranking shinobi dying they will get replaced by the new generation when the war is over. This whole war is an experience for the konoha 11 and Gaara and many others.

The Naruto fanboys stormed this place...

They cannot handle the fact that not everybody likes Naruto for the same reasons that they like him, yet they expect everyone to dislike Sasuke because of who he is... Lol Hypocritical Naruto fans...

Then you explain this and tell me that if Hinata and Lee heard Naruto say what he did that they wouldn't take offense

Hinata and Lee would be fkin pissed! Hinata wouldnt show it, but Lee would try to beat Naruto's ass for saying something like that Lol

 

[Lana Del Taka]

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as i said naruto said about kid obito.

Doesn't really matter, it's still Obito. He still killed thousands of people. Idc if he was talking about kid obito, doesn't change the fact he was talking about Obito. Not to mention he was getting furious when BZ was trash talking Obito, Naruto obviously likes the current Obito as well.

 

[bencoby]

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Imagine if Ino, Shikamaru, Lee, Hinata, etc.. heard Naruto say Obito was cool and all this other shit. It's just so disrespectful to them. I think it's disgusting honestly.

Shame on you, you are just looking too hard at a place where you would find nothing. Remember those people you mentioned had nothing to do with his comments in the first place. So try again with something different.

 

[Lana Del Taka]

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He called Obito badass.

Even worse.

I know! Kishi tried to make NAruto seem like a caring person with that comment, yet it makes him out to be an ass to his friends!

Kishi wouldn't even care to think that comment can be taken a different way cause Naruto's feelings is above everyone else's. It doesnlt matter if they were to be upset by that comment cause whatever Naruto thinks or says goes.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

Naruto didn't conquer his hate at that time. He was still questioning himself and his resolve. Can't overcome the hate for or in others if you can't overcome hate in yourself.

Naruto didn't cry when Nagato as a Edo got sealed. He conquered his hatred by then.

 

[JackelLord]

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This week the hate of Obito and Naruto has resurfaced a lot more. I wonder which character will be the next weeks victim?

Hey man, the only one to blame is Kishi for his poor writing on these characters. (Sorry if this offends anyone).