~So let me try to understand this character Naruto Uzumaki~
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Lol This week has been a Naruto hate week. Never thought I'd see this day.
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Lol This week has been a Naruto hate week. Never thought I'd see this day.
OT: Op I strongly disagree with everything you said. At the same time though I respect your opinion. +1 rep for effort.
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most of these points are based on the misinterpretation of the manga.
For example, "10 minutes of good made up for a lifetime of bad". No where was this stated or implied. None of obito's 'feats of good' are being used to counterbalance his 'feats of evil', the reason NAruto shows Obito respect is for the person he has become after being TnJ by Naruto. And that person is one who would willingly do all those feats of good we saw in the last 10 minutes or so. So Naruto is absolutely not saying that what Obito did made up for all the bad, he just respects the person that Obito died as and can appreciate his change from the one who did do all those evil things and tried to initiate infinite tsukuyomi. So unless you can't see that the Obito who died is a different person than the one who did all those killings, it shouldn't be difficult to see how naruto can have respect for the current Obito.
Second, Naruto forgiving Obito doesn't mean he disrespects Neji. If you read the manga, you'd know that this whole idea of holding on to hatred just results in an endless cycle of hatred which screws over everyone including the people neji cares about. Naruto obviously cares a lot about Neji which is why he was hit so hard that he almost turned to the dark side when Neji died. Neji died for Naruto and the shinobi alliance, holding a grudge against Obito won't do anything to bring neji back, it will only get in the way of their victory, and if they lose here, neji's death would be for nothing. So rather than indulge himself in petty revenge that will render naruto a hypocrite and just another avatar for the cycle of hatred to flourish, naruto is not going to hold onto useless feelings like that.
Third, Naruto is a very realistic character. A realistic character isn't a character who merely is like you or me, or a person who exists in reality a realistic character is one who would act this way had he actually gone through the things he's gone through and holds the same ideals as he does in the manga. Normal people haven't been brought up in an environment where they were completely alone and hated throughout their childhood, nor do they have it as their lifelong goal to stop the cycle of hatred and find true peace without eliminating the value of humanity in the process. However, if a human in reality did go through something like what naruto did and possessed the same goals as him, then I find it very likely that they would be quick to forgive and treat another with respect, especially when they saw what led that person to fall into darkness.
Then there's stuff like the Child of Prophecy thing having nothing to do with falsifying themes of part 1 since Neji's theme was not about defying 'destiny' it was one's ability to change their own destiny if they wanted to. Naruto doesn't have any reason to change his destiny as his destiny is the savior of the world, so those two themes don't conflict. Hard work = strength wasn't really a theme in the manga, it was always fighting for someone else or 'protecting others' that was the the theme and motivation for working hard.
The other stuff like Naruto's powers being easily obtained, or him being a puppet aren't true either. Powers such as bijuu mode and Kyuubi chakra mode did require work on Naruto's part, it's just not the normal training that people go through in order to gain powers. In order for Naruto to gain KCM, he had to eliminate all the trace amounts of hatred he had for the people who've wronged him in the past. As we've seen from the OP's comments about Naruto's morality, doing something like that can be extremely difficult to do, or even impossible for some. Same thing with using bijuu mode, Naruto had to befriend Kurama, which could only happen by Kurama witnessing Naruto's high ideals. Hagoromo's powerup might be the closest thing to a freebie, however Naruto could still only use it after convincing the other 8 bijuu to help him and after giving Hagoromo and acceptable answer.
The rest of the stuff is pretty much just personal taste.
most of these points are based on the misinterpretation of the manga.
For example, "10 minutes of good made up for a lifetime of bad". No where was this stated or implied. None of obito's 'feats of good' are being used to counterbalance his 'feats of evil', the reason NAruto shows Obito respect is for the person he has become after being TnJ by Naruto. And that person is one who would willingly do all those feats of good we saw in the last 10 minutes or so. So Naruto is absolutely not saying that what Obito did made up for all the bad, he just respects the person that Obito died as and can appreciate his change from the one who did do all those evil things and tried to initiate infinite tsukuyomi. So unless you can't see that the Obito who died is a different person than the one who did all those killings, it shouldn't be difficult to see how naruto can have respect for the current Obito.
Second, Naruto forgiving Obito doesn't mean he disrespects Neji. If you read the manga, you'd know that this whole idea of holding on to hatred just results in an endless cycle of hatred which screws over everyone including the people neji cares about. Naruto obviously cares a lot about Neji which is why he was hit so hard that he almost turned to the dark side when Neji died. Neji died for Naruto and the shinobi alliance, holding a grudge against Obito won't do anything to bring neji back, it will only get in the way of their victory, and if they lose here, neji's death would be for nothing. So rather than indulge himself in petty revenge that will render naruto a hypocrite and just another avatar for the cycle of hatred to flourish, naruto is not going to hold onto useless feelings like that.
Third, Naruto is a very realistic character. A realistic character isn't a character who merely is like you or me, or a person who exists in reality a realistic character is one who would act this way had he actually gone through the things he's gone through and holds the same ideals as he does in the manga. Normal people haven't been brought up in an environment where they were completely alone and hated throughout their childhood, nor do they have it as their lifelong goal to stop the cycle of hatred and find true peace without eliminating the value of humanity in the process. However, if a human in reality did go through something like what naruto did and possessed the same goals as him, then I find it very likely that they would be quick to forgive and treat another with respect, especially when they saw what led that person to fall into darkness.
Then there's stuff like the Child of Prophecy thing having nothing to do with falsifying themes of part 1 since Neji's theme was not about defying 'destiny' it was one's ability to change their own destiny if they wanted to. Naruto doesn't have any reason to change his destiny as his destiny is the savior of the world, so those two themes don't conflict. Hard work = strength wasn't really a theme in the manga, it was always fighting for someone else or 'protecting others' that was the the theme and motivation for working hard.
The other stuff like Naruto's powers being easily obtained, or him being a puppet aren't true either. Powers such as bijuu mode and Kyuubi chakra mode did require work on Naruto's part, it's just not the normal training that people go through in order to gain powers. In order for Naruto to gain KCM, he had to eliminate all the trace amounts of hatred he had for the people who've wronged him in the past. As we've seen from the OP's comments about Naruto's morality, doing something like that can be extremely difficult to do, or even impossible for some. Same thing with using bijuu mode, Naruto had to befriend Kurama, which could only happen by Kurama witnessing Naruto's high ideals. Hagoromo's powerup might be the closest thing to a freebie, however Naruto could still only use it after convincing the other 8 bijuu to help him and after giving Hagoromo and acceptable answer.
The rest of the stuff is pretty much just personal taste.
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Imagine if Ino, Shikamaru, Lee, Hinata, etc.. heard Naruto say Obito was cool and all this other shit. It's just so disrespectful to them. I think it's disgusting honestly.
Imagine if Ino, Shikamaru, Lee, Hinata, etc.. heard Naruto say Obito was cool and all this other shit. It's just so disrespectful to them. I think it's disgusting honestly.
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If you put all the different translations down and analyse them you would see that he was always just laying credence to the Hokage position, that's all.
Like I told you before you need to look at context.
Hinata or lee had nothing to do with his statement same goes for any other character.
If you put all the different translations down and analyse them you would see that he was always just laying credence to the Hokage position, that's all.
Like I told you before you need to look at context.
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Naruto is inconsistent but I would'nt say the hate is justified.
Naruto is inconsistent but I would'nt say the hate is justified.
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So the only way they'd find his statement disrespectful is if they were ignorant to what he actually meant, and that's so true since most of the people on this site who believe what naruto said was disrespectful willingly remain ignorant to what he actually meant.
Not only that, but why does that even mean anything? No one has the same opinions on the same subject, and just because people's opinions may differ in no way means that those people don't love and really care for each other. If caring for each other = believing everything that another person believed, then Naruto wouldn't accomplish anything as I'm sure the beliefs that spawn the cycle of hatred exists within the hearts and minds of the shinobi alliance members.
so you are literally saying and believe that people don't change, and you believe that had you transported the conscious of the Obito that died for Naruto 2 days into the past, that Obito would do the exact same thing he'd have done back then: start the war, kill all these shinobi etc?
they obviously wouldn't find it disrespectful if they knew naruto's reasoning and knew that Naruto was talking about the obito who died before him, not the obito who willingly committed the war acts.
So the only way they'd find his statement disrespectful is if they were ignorant to what he actually meant, and that's so true since most of the people on this site who believe what naruto said was disrespectful willingly remain ignorant to what he actually meant.
Not only that, but why does that even mean anything? No one has the same opinions on the same subject, and just because people's opinions may differ in no way means that those people don't love and really care for each other. If caring for each other = believing everything that another person believed, then Naruto wouldn't accomplish anything as I'm sure the beliefs that spawn the cycle of hatred exists within the hearts and minds of the shinobi alliance members.
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It was a mistranslation, Naruto didn't call him "the coolest guy".
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Was this just an introduction to your next thread? because it doesn't seem like you've touched the surface yet Lol
Anyway, I've said this before and I'll say it now. Read naruto and stop
Was this just an introduction to your next thread? because it doesn't seem like you've touched the surface yet Lol
Anyway, I've said this before and I'll say it now. Read naruto and stop
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. Just pretend that was the last chapter and the manga just ended abruptly on a bad note... It's still a far better ending than the shit to come.
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