~So let me try to understand this character Naruto Uzumaki~

What do you think of Naruto's mindset involving Obito?


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Re: Naruto (Character) Hate is Justified

Doesn't really matter, it's still Obito. He still killed thousands of people. Idc if he was talking about kid obito, doesn't change the fact he was talking about Obito.
context. naruto respected kid obito who had same ideals like naruto,not tobi who killed thousands shinobi.
 

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Re: Naruto (Character) Hate is Justified

Shame on you, you are just looking too hard at a place where you would find nothing. Remember those people you mentioned had nothing to do with his comments in the first place. So try again with something different.
So i'm guessing you're one of those guys who thinks Naruto's feelings is above everyone else's?
 

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Re: Naruto (Character) Hate is Justified

The Naruto fanboys stormed this place...

They cannot handle the fact that not everybody likes Naruto for the same reasons that they like him, yet they expect everyone to dislike Sasuke because of who he is... Lol Hypocritical Naruto fans...

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No they are trying to justify. If Naruto's hate is justified, than Naruto's love is justified. Each to there own character.
 

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Re: Naruto (Character) Hate is Justified

most of these points are based on the misinterpretation of the manga.

For example, "10 minutes of good made up for a lifetime of bad". No where was this stated or implied. None of obito's 'feats of good' are being used to counterbalance his 'feats of evil', the reason NAruto shows Obito respect is for the person he has become after being TnJ by Naruto. And that person is one who would willingly do all those feats of good we saw in the last 10 minutes or so. So Naruto is absolutely not saying that what Obito did made up for all the bad, he just respects the person that Obito died as and can appreciate his change from the one who did do all those evil things and tried to initiate infinite tsukuyomi. So unless you can't see that the Obito who died is a different person than the one who did all those killings, it shouldn't be difficult to see how naruto can have respect for the current Obito.

Second, Naruto forgiving Obito doesn't mean he disrespects Neji. If you read the manga, you'd know that this whole idea of holding on to hatred just results in an endless cycle of hatred which screws over everyone including the people neji cares about. Naruto obviously cares a lot about Neji which is why he was hit so hard that he almost turned to the dark side when Neji died. Neji died for Naruto and the shinobi alliance, holding a grudge against Obito won't do anything to bring neji back, it will only get in the way of their victory, and if they lose here, neji's death would be for nothing. So rather than indulge himself in petty revenge that will render naruto a hypocrite and just another avatar for the cycle of hatred to flourish, naruto is not going to hold onto useless feelings like that.

Third, Naruto is a very realistic character. A realistic character isn't a character who merely is like you or me, or a person who exists in reality a realistic character is one who would act this way had he actually gone through the things he's gone through and holds the same ideals as he does in the manga. Normal people haven't been brought up in an environment where they were completely alone and hated throughout their childhood, nor do they have it as their lifelong goal to stop the cycle of hatred and find true peace without eliminating the value of humanity in the process. However, if a human in reality did go through something like what naruto did and possessed the same goals as him, then I find it very likely that they would be quick to forgive and treat another with respect, especially when they saw what led that person to fall into darkness.

Then there's stuff like the Child of Prophecy thing having nothing to do with falsifying themes of part 1 since Neji's theme was not about defying 'destiny' it was one's ability to change their own destiny if they wanted to. Naruto doesn't have any reason to change his destiny as his destiny is the savior of the world, so those two themes don't conflict. Hard work = strength wasn't really a theme in the manga, it was always fighting for someone else or 'protecting others' that was the the theme and motivation for working hard.

The other stuff like Naruto's powers being easily obtained, or him being a puppet aren't true either. Powers such as bijuu mode and Kyuubi chakra mode did require work on Naruto's part, it's just not the normal training that people go through in order to gain powers. In order for Naruto to gain KCM, he had to eliminate all the trace amounts of hatred he had for the people who've wronged him in the past. As we've seen from the OP's comments about Naruto's morality, doing something like that can be extremely difficult to do, or even impossible for some. Same thing with using bijuu mode, Naruto had to befriend Kurama, which could only happen by Kurama witnessing Naruto's high ideals. Hagoromo's powerup might be the closest thing to a freebie, however Naruto could still only use it after convincing the other 8 bijuu to help him and after giving Hagoromo and acceptable answer.

The rest of the stuff is pretty much just personal taste.
This right here, good argument
 

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Re: Naruto (Character) Hate is Justified

Shame on you, you are just looking too hard at a place where you would find nothing. Remember those people you mentioned had nothing to do with his comments in the first place. So try again with something different.
Except that post has some validity to it.Naruto calling Obito "badass" would be like telling the family of a murder victim about how you thought the killer was a okay person.Obviously they will have a negative reaction.
 
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Re: Naruto (Character) Hate is Justified

What a lovely thread!

I agree completely. I somewhat liked Naruto (the character) up to Pain arc. Since then, Naruto has become worse and worse as a character. Part 2 destroys the hard work/never give up theme of part 1; Neji was right about destiny. Even in part 1, Naruto always needed kyubi power to win any fight. So much for 'success through hard work'. Lol

I hate the fact that Naruto spent the majority of part 2 chasing Sasuke's nuts. Naruto has become too unrealistic for me. Latest chapter proves Naruto's stupidity. I wonder how Hinata would feel if she heard Naruto calling the guy who killed her cousin, the "coolest guy ever".

I still admire what Naruto is supposed to stand for (never give up). But Kishi executed it horribly. Naruto was about to give in to Obito when Neji died. He is supposed to be a hard worker but never achieves anything with his own power.

It is not that we hate Naruto (the character). We just hate what Naruto has become. If you're too ignorant/stupid to see what a terrible character Naruto has become then shame on you.
 
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Re: Naruto (Character) Hate is Justified

Shame on you, you are just looking too hard at a place where you would find nothing. Remember those people you mentioned had nothing to do with his comments in the first place. So try again with something different.
Are you kidding? Their parents were killed by Obito, yet they have nothing to do with Naruto saying Obito is the "coolest guy"? How would you feel if your best friend called the murderer of you parents or your family member the "coolest guy ever"?
 

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Re: Naruto (Character) Hate is Justified

What's wrong with his English?

Oh, nevermind it just sparks Naruto fanboys to attack someones grammar when they can't counter.
I wonder why fuhrer would single me out this evening. Although I must say i don't like criticizing peoples grammar here since we all make mistakes, the mistakes in the first paragraph was just enough to turn me off.

Oh fuhrer come on, you know those arguments made in OP has been debunked several times. You including other fanboys failed to counter any of them in ones and this was just a bundle of the same mambos jambo that is running all over again.
 

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Nagato at that point was 1) already dead and 2) being set free to return to the dead with their master. Obito died at the hands of a common enemy after sacrificing his life. He gave his life believing in Naruto's dream. The context of the two deaths were completely different and deserved different responses. And Nagato still got an acknowledgement from Naruto.
 

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Re: Naruto (Character) Hate is Justified

I thought the only fans that bashed characters were Naruto fans? Yet majority of people have been making this exact shit so many times. Hypocrisy at it's finest.
 

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Re: Naruto (Character) Hate is Justified

The Naruto fanboys stormed this place...

They cannot handle the fact that not everybody likes Naruto for the same reasons that they like him, yet they expect everyone to dislike Sasuke because of who he is... Lol Hypocritical Naruto fans...
This couldn't be further from the truth. Sasuke is one of my favorite characters alongside naruto, which is why I don't go around bashing Ssauke, I even defend him when I feel I have a have an easy and strong argument for him. I think its perfectly fine to not like Naruto, however if you list your reasons for not liking him and they are based on false statements or positions, then I'm going to comment on it and try to show you why that's not the case.
 

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Re: Naruto (Character) Hate is Justified

Well I'm done, I will try to enjoy Naruto without these stupid threads that just gives me the impression of you don't know how to read a book and understand the main characters and the symbolism in the story these guys don't know art like my teachers says when you read the book more than once you will notice the themes and all the other shit that was blind to you before.
 

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Re: Naruto (Character) Hate is Justified

why not if people in narutoverse praised mass murdered itachi like hero.
Killed Neji to try break a child's spirit or Killled his clan to avoid his clan being killed anyway along with multiple other leaf shinobi and the start of another war endangering thousands of lives XD
 

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why not if people in narutoverse praised mass murdered itachi like hero.
Oh my God, you're trying to hard. Just accept that Naruto's character has problems (MAJOR PROBLEMS)

No character is Perfect ... except maybe Itachi
 
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Re: Naruto (Character) Hate is Justified

How is calling Obito cool disgusting? He just saved Naruto, and was truly sorry. Naruto understood that he was being used and not to mention that he hates it when others are used. Obito is also the person who relates most to Naruto. How can Jiraiya's disciple (somewhat naive Shinobi Jesus) stay mad at this guy? He's forgiven Nagato and because of that the people were revived again.

Sorry if I might have double posted.
 

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Re: Naruto (Character) Hate is Justified

Except that post has some validity to it.Naruto calling Obito "badass" would be like telling the family of a murder victim about how you thought the killer was a okay person.Obviously they will have a negative reaction.
That's why i said he should read all of those last 4 panels and take context into account. And so should you.

So i'm guessing you're one of those guys who thinks Naruto's feelings is above everyone else's?
What feelings are you talking about. Those people you mentioned had nothing to do with Narutos comments, that's the fact. But you fail to admit it.
 
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