> after someone tries to kill your parents and succeed you find them cool
> after someone tries to kill you when you were just a baby toddler you still find them cool
> after someone who summons the Kyubi on your own village that kills innocent people you find them cool
> after someone who creates an organization that consist of 10+ S ranked criminals that hunt Bijuu and Jinchuriki you still find them cool
> after someone who starts a war and tries to create a world under a dream you find them cool
> after someone who summons the Juubi and kills more people including your friends fathers you still find them cool
> after someone who one shots one of your friends and kills them you still find them cool
> after someone who summons the Shinju and kills even more shinobi you still find them cool
You want to know who did all of this? Obito did.
But unlike many "normal realistic" people, Naruto finds a man who did all of this to his life cool. Naruto might not be a revengeful boy set on hatred but at this point in the manga and this last chapter further confirmed for me that Naruto is one of the most, unrealistic morons I have ever met in manga/anime history.
If someone did all of this to me, you better be damn I would never find your ass cool even in the slightest. I would probably find you to be disgusting and a compete waste of human life and to make matters worse, Naruto was crying for him.
Hello Fellow NB, it's been a while since I made my "Rant" Thread, however there is something that needs to be addressed to the "Naruto Fans" which most most of you love to label us "Haters" as BottomFeeder for a while which you guys have been misjudging us and love to come up with excuse because of "Sasuke Fans" and or spewing such nonesense comments with "Don't like it, don't read it" or "The Series Called Naruto " which you guys are clearly doing childish something that fanboys&fangirls use when they can't bring up any good counter arguments to defend their precious "Main Character"
The People that actually now distaste Naruto was once a true hardcore Naruto fans like I was. Naruto was the source of inspirational to me and to the Anime community out there and probably had influenced their childhood which given the amount of investment into the series. Naruto used to be such a great likable character and very well written in Part 1.
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Throughout the course of Shippuden, his character starts to degenerate more and more and for a while Naruto has become a train wreck for years which I had fed up complaining and try to learn to accept to what Kishi is trying to portray which he failed to write excutably. I've always try to give so many chances for Naruto however due to his recent War event, Kishi really f**ked up Naruto so hard to the point his character is nonredeemable, and this really piss off the fans. On top of that, just when I thought things couldn't get worse, this latest chapter really hit me and really crossed the line beyond the border of his character on the whole new level . This comes to my mind that this chapter is the reason why I'm starting to make this thread.
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By no mean am I trying to disrespect to the Naruto Fans who still favor and cherish Naruto, but however his character is very flawed and we feel the right to hate what Naruto truly has become because this isn't the Naruto that I once Knew.
Naruto is arguably one of the worst Shonen Protagonist I've seen and I will point out the most logical standpoint of view to my perception as a reader and will explain more indepth as to why Naruto is a bad written Main Character.
Naruto Inconsistencies with being over Sentimental and Naive Personality
You guys might think I`m oversimplifying things but however I think it`s totally unbearable to watch his stupidity even despite you`re trying to justifying someone by trying to say that Obito is awesome just cause of his dream and similar to you, and just cause he became good for 10 minutes still negate all the actions Obito committed did because Naruto still being over sentimental for Obito that knows nothing about him.
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I`m fully aware of Naruto reoccurrence when he give some respect to the villains like Nagato which treated way better compare to what he did with Obito . Naruto entire fixation on forgiving anyone despite all the crimes they committed that caused him so much Pain is beyond disturbing and presents him as a complete irrational dumb character who cannot comprehend reality.
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Forgiveness is one thing, but to idealize him as the "coolest guy" is sickening. This the guy who killed thousand of people in the war, destroyed your village including your parents which turned your life to Shit, started the Akatsuki which leads Pain destroyed your village and killed your sensei and include one of your friends in the War just an hour ago. This is Horrible and a disgrace for people like Neji.
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How is this is meant to be realistic and relatable, for us the readers, Naruto is able to brush away their previous actions and accept them as companions, without even a second thought. Look what Naruto had become, he's all lovey dovey in real life we don't forgive someone that easily and start praise someone like Hitler the man who was responsible to massacre thousands of innocents in the war. One of his best friends and inspiration, and countless lives is being called "coolest"".
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Naruto has become the unrealistic emotional strength to forgive anyone who has caused him pain, without a second thought. If Obito lived, I can gurantee that Naruto will let him free of prison, and not care about the opinion of others who suffered from Obito's corruption.It just shows how selfish and inconsistent this young man is.
Bonds
Naruto&Sasuke "Bond" was nothing like to compare the true friendship of Madara& Hashirama, or Rock Lee& Neji, Kakashi&Gai, Shikamaru&Chouji, and best of all Sasuke&Itachi.
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Their friendship in Part 1 was hardly there. They spent a good deal of time just squabbling with each other and fighting each other out of dislike. This strong friendship that Kishimoto is trying to portray is hardly there and mostly an illusion. Sasuke himself doesn’t even want to be fox boy’s friend and has treated him like shit 90% of the time they were ever around each other. Each time Naruto chases after him Sasuke literally has to smack him with a lightning coated hand just to get the f*ck away from his stalker.
“If he can’t save one friend he does not deserve to become Hokage”. Never mind the fact that as I am currently writing this post, this retard has already saved several of his friends(Gaara and Sakura) and his entire village on top of that.
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His entire fixation on Sasuke is beyond disturbing and goes far beyond what any “friendship” could possibly excuse. Here is a guy who has murdered, attempted murder on you and the girl you like multiple times, was excited about killing your teacher and even wanted to destroy your entire village.
You are willing to your risk your life to save a criminal who doesn't give a shit but instead ignore all your friends from Konoha who looked up to you, Hinata who saved your life and the `True Bond`` that you made with Gaara which he share almost the same story. This double standards in ethics for how he treats Sasuke in comparison to most everyone else has been down right sickening just because he is a “friend”.
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Not to mention when he bowed down in front of Raikage pleading him to not execute Sasuke is pathetic. On top of that, what`s even more embarrassing is that he was hyperventilating when Sai tells him Sakura wants to kill Sasuke. It just makes Naruto seem so arrogant and selfish. What's even worse is that Naruto is willingly going that far in getting himself beat up for so called "friend"
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Naruto Overshine
Kishi always make Naruto do everything, defeat everyone, wanking him non stop and trying to make him be like Jesus.
Therefore, implying that we`re watching Naruto as the only character in the story thus everything about him has grown too bland and stale , and his personality are too boring and Corny. Basically we don`t watch Naruto for Naruto only, when there are other tons of great side characters that we`re interested but instead they all get neglected.
In part 1, everyone are relavents, we get to see so much Konoha11 screen time and even from other villages like the Sand siblings, they all have almost equal powerscale. Now in Part 2 the powerscale is off the chart, and everyone are neglected and Naruto gets mostly time to shine.
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Some people love to bring up some stupid argument that supporting konoha11 or Side Characters are supporting ONLY a particular lobby ( Leaving as Backburner) so that Naruto can support Konoha and all the other villages as Hokage so that he's going to be in charge of all of them. Yet someone smart like Itachi gave him some good advice to always rely on your "Friends" to do the job. What happen to that Naruto!!!!??
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" You Said it thanks to Everybody that I could come this far" " If now that you are more powerful you start to forget about others to be arrogant and to be attached to your ego"
Itachi even said do not forget about your friends. What did this bastard Naruto did right off the bat?? He took all the battle field with BM Naruto shadowclones to do all the work without relying on his "friends" which even goes show him his stupidity and his arrogance that was laid out by Itachi.
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The only people that are impressive are the top tiers:Naruto, Sasuke, Madara, Bijuu, Gai, Kaguya, etc. Everybody else are not that impressive in part 2. The climax is coming and there are some of the Konoha 11 that STILL didn't win a fight or was off screen. Kishimoto can give them some good destructive power and some CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT!!!
The fact that kishi is constantly shown and overused Naruto fights really get boring, his characterization really grown stale and his development went backward from when his main theme got destroyed due to recarnation/incarnation, and this whole child of propecy BS.
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In hunter x hunter, Gon is the main character and the story is about his journeys, but he doesn't always get all the shine and it's not always about him, other characters get great development and good progress. One piece is good aswell, Luffy is the main character, but it's not always about him being the hero, everyone gets good development
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The fact that these Konoha11 shinobi didn't surpass their previous generation is the big issues. They are not relevant anymore and the time for developing them has passed. When they do get their screen time, everything is always revolve around Naruto, it`s always about him, Nobody gets their own Developments except Team Asuma.
Look at Neji, he didn't get any proper development he receive in part 2, we could'v seen his growth during the time when he was a jounin or the confrontation between Neji and his father to get some build up relation and some redemption, and changing his destiny and the Hyuga clan but he was later quickly killed off only for `Naruto``
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Destiny/ Prophecy Contradicts the Main Theme of His Message
The original message of Naruto was that how you are born. You can be whatever you want if you work hard enough. Everyone in the manga wanks his hard work and achievements, he's the one the manga is asking us to admire.
Now at the end of the series we find out that the circumstances of Naruto's birth and how he started out DID matter. His character from Part 1 and his character from Part 2 feel worlds apart. According to Hagoromo, Naruto was destined to befriend and therefore have tailed-beast power.
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It was all apart of his destiny. He was born to be great. He was always meant to be strong so he could eventually save the world it was foretold by destiny. He couldn't have avoided this even if he tried. He didn't have a choice. He HAD to train. He HAD to get stronger. He HAD to fight in this war even if he didn't want to. Here we see Yamato telling Naruto to develop and fight with HIS OWN POWER.
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Yet he didn't in the end of the series. He had to do all of these things because if he didn't then he wouldn't be able to fulfill the destined prophesy of being the savior of the world. The fact that he now wants to fulfill his destiny at this point in time doesn't change the fact that he would have had to fulfill it regardless. Naruto couldn't choose his own path because it was already decided and Predestined that was laid out for him from the very start thanks to the prophesy that he would save the world.
Take a look at the example with Naruto Vs Neji : When Naruto was struggling a match with his opponent, Neji stated that you cannot change your destiny," Once a failure always a failure" Naruto was unwillingly accept his ideology that was bound inescapable fate, Naruto went on defeat Neji by proving that you can change destiny.
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NNow Naruto ends up being some child of destiny/prophecy. After everything Naruto went through about making your own destiny and not letting yourself be controlled by fate, it turns out that Naruto himself is someone automatically“destined for greatness”. Not only that, he is the son of one of the most powerful shinobi in his village’s history.
He was born strong because:
a) Everything was handed out to him
b) Relied the Ninetails Power especially in this War Arc for the Majority of the time
c) Inherited the Uzumaki bloodline and his Parents who was one of the Strongest Shinobi and Inherit Great Sensie Will
d) Ashura Reincarnation in which the Prophesied told so
Neji was absolutely right about "Destiny", though he was wrong at the same time that Naruto did beat Neji with his Ninetail chakra (Even though it's technically not his power) Having Naruto destined to be the ninja messiah removed a lot of the things that was built on in this series because of that it really frustrate the fans to see a good main character who once truly had admiration of his determination and his accomplishment through hardwork the amount of time invested throughout the series was then absolute meaningless and trollicious to the fans.
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No one would actually hate Naruto, if literally everything wasn't handed to him. Thats the main issue. On top of that, There's no conflict within Naruto character which is a damn shame when you take look at everyone else, They were portrayed as people who failed as Shinobi.
Just like when he fought with Obito when Naruto stated that you can't take "Shortcuts" yet he was self contradicted when he's getting all these power handed to him with countless powerups and automatically destined to become the Hokage.
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Other Main Character
Naruto is not like other Main Character to complain , because other Main Character are not portrayed as hard workers, they're always been portrayed as lucky and special. That's why they don't get attacked because they've never asked the readers to admire their achievements in the first place. If the Naruto fandoms can bring themselves to admit Naruto is simply lucky, his so called "achievements" are simply the plot, people won't have disagreement.
Power Up is lame
Naruto did work on his own technique, such as shadow clones, sage mode, and rasengan. Nowadays, Naruto has nothing of his own, his power has never been his own, its always been the Kyuubi, and now its the sage. Hes an over sized puppet. And whenever he actually gets Character Development, Kishi sweeps it under the rug, turning him back into the childish brat that I personally despise. And now he just lays his hands on people and they can see. No other Anime or Manga that I've read does so much for a single character, these stories usually involve hard work and dedication.
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I've always love to see Naruto using his classic ninja jutsu, such as Uzumaki Barrage, or summoning the toads, and his sage mode are the most impressive feats however Kurama gets in the way of fusing with Ma & Pa. Chakra Arms are boring, and creating 20 variation of rasengans are boring.
What really pisses people off is Jesus Naruto was simpily able to create body parts out of thin airs and able to restore Kakashi which makes absolute no sense. Kishi seriously pull his ass off because now Naruto has made every one of these shonobis worthless in one fell swoop especially considering Sakura's even more redundant as a medic.
Overall I think Naruto should deserve the amount of hate it gets. However if you could exclude from Shippuden, his character would've been the best written. Although I'm not trying to say that Shippuden doesn't, because it does has great moment mostly in first half, and the Pain arc is at his highest peak of Naruto development.
So if I were to exclude before the Kage Summit arc especially this crappy war arc, I would rate Naruto as a good to great character.
Naruto is not like other Main Character to complain , because other Main Character are not portrayed as hard workers, they're always been portrayed as lucky and special. That's why they don't get attacked because they've never asked the readers to admire their achievements in the first place. If the Naruto fandoms can bring themselves to admit Naruto is simply lucky, his so called "achievements" are simply the plot, people won't have disagreement.
Well, i dunno about you but to me his level of forgiveness just proves how good a person he is. To me, his forgiveness doesn't make him seem unrealistic, but it inspires people of how there are still good men,women and children in the world. Nobody can relate to him because he is naturally more better than all of us at being a good person.
No human is that good and so easily forgiving, it's not possible. Even saying so if he forgave him as to not to kill him but still felt grudge or have some sort of ill feeling towards Obito then it'd be easier to believe. However, he hasn't shown none of that and also thinks that he's the coolest guy too now. It's too far fetched, makes his character (from emotional/human perspective) completely unbelievable to me and I think it's poor writing.
So you hate him because he's the main character, he easily forgives, he busts his ass and is now experiencing the fruits of his labor, and he's really strong. Makes sense.