Shinra Tensei cancels Kamui [Must Read!]

[3MESSIAH]

i think i agree

 

[Megatolium]

It would mind **** most readers.

Same way Rasengan boggle us scientists lol its manga, anything can happen

 

[eyesofthekyuubi44]

Lol I study physiques, its possible. Thats why you will NEVER have black holes on earth.

That's great that you study physics.

Do you have proof that the creator of this manga does? If he doesn't, his knowledge is what we go by. You are acting like Kishimoto is omniscient and knows all when in reality, he's just a good story-teller with a creative imagination and great drawing skills.

Unless he studies physics, I assume that he only knows about as much about it as I do. Meaning that Kamui is still effective against Shinra Tensei.

 

[A$AP Wap]

I don't think so.
Kamui looks like it'll stay in one place and never move from the spot until it has sucked it's Target.

Now Universal Pull might pull objects out of Kamui, but Idk if Almighty Push could cancel Kamui.

P.s Kamui can't cancel Almighty Push. Almighty Push is basically gravity being pushed at you. You can't stop that from happening. Why do people think that Kamui can stop moves like Almighty Push?

 

[Megatolium]

That's great that you study physics.

Do you have proof that the creator of this manga does? If he doesn't, his knowledge is what we go by. You are acting like Kishimoto is omniscient and knows all when in reality, he's just a good story-teller with a creative imagination and great drawing skills.

Unless he studies physics, I assume that he only knows about as much about it as I do. Meaning that Kamui is still effective against Shinra Tensei.

Well it depends how he uses physics. Or if he will use physics in Naruto which probably won't happen.

 

[Champ]

I was gonna make a thread like this, but was too lazy. I would've like if you used manga scans like I was. Anyway I agree Shinra tensei is counter for Kamui. Obito's especially since he has to materialize then warp the user away.

 

[Byakuya K]

i doubt that it would work.

 

[Nikashu]

What you're saying is true, but it wouldn't work in the Narutoverse. It should, but it wont. Plus, even if it was repelled Kamui could be used again within the 5 second relapse anyway

 

[PureSkillz]

Didn't clones & 6tailed Naruto withstand the force of ST? If it could cancel Kaumi, then
that would mean if one had the strength, they could rip themselves out of Kaumi before
getting warped to the other direction, which is impossible as far as we've seen.

Just my 2 cents though.

 

[Derek1st]

Some people say that "real world physics don't apply to naruto" which is not necessarily true. Unless contradicted by the manga, we assume that the world of naruto has the same rules that ours does other wise we could apply that mentality to everything. That being said, if kamiu was a TRUE black holes, according to relativity, when obito tries to suck someone into his kamui realm through his eye, we would never in our life times ACTUALLY see them go through the hole (which is not the case)

 

[6pathofpain]

I see what hes.saying an it makes a lot of sense people won't agree tho.

But either way almighty push counters obito's kamui because he has to solidify to use it an then he'll get hit

 

[FELCommentary]

Science!

 

[Paintry4]

Well u know what.!! Shinra tensei whatever it does,it do in only 1 dimension.u dont even touched abt dimensional words.wen u are in any other dimension any jutsus and tenseis wont work u coz that happen in other dimension.well plz dont make it science.kamui is not a black hole.the thing that goes in black hole never comes back but kamui one can come back.

 

[Multiply]

Somehow I doubt you can mix real life logic with Narutoverse logic. Seeing as they can control fire, water, earth, etc.

 

[Paintry4]

I see what hes.saying an it makes a lot of sense people won't agree tho.

But either way almighty push counters obito's kamui because he has to solidify to use it an then he'll get hit

well u dint read latest chapters.he can just transfer his body to other dimension but we can just see his body but infact his that body will be in other dimension.

 

[VongolaX]

can't repel what absorbs

 

[novacore]

I'll try to make it really simple without "big words" and actual space-time continuum theories.

Sorry if it doesnt make sense, I tried to make it simpler.

Before I explain this, you should know these:

• Gravity is what keep all matter together, and its what makes the world turn.

• If 2 Blackholes with the same frequencies are next to each other, they both with cancel each other out, if one blackhole has greater frequency as the other, the weaker one will disappear. In some cases, blackholes with same frequencies will merge and cause a violent wave in space. But we will be using earths gravity.

And keep in mind, a blackhole is simply a powerful force that sucks in matter with powerful gravity.

Also I must explain how Shinra Tensei and Kamui work before you can understand this, dont worry I'll try to keep it short.

Shinra Tensei

This jutsu is a repulsive force to push objects away, a gravity defying technique actually. The user of this jutsu becomes the center of gravity. Its counterpart, Bansho Tenin is able to pull and push objects toward the user, the center of gravity. Chibaku Tensei is exactly the same, same properties as a blackhole.

Kamui

Its basically a blackhole, pulling in matter to a unknown destination. Its kinda like a basin filled with water. The water being the matter in the real world, and the drain pipes being the "other dimension", so the plug being the "activation" or Mangekyou Sharingan if you will.

Like Shinra Tensei and counterparts, Kamui has a centre of gravity too. Pulling in any matter at any force (depended on chakra probably).

Ok to the point, how does Shinra Tensei cancel Kamui?

Kamui is a center point of gravity, pulling in gravity at a powerful force. Lets call it A

Shinra Tensei's user is the center point of gravity, pushing out gravity at a powerful force. Lets call it B

If A is stronger than B, the Kamui will work.

If B is stronger than A, it will cancel out.

If A and B is at equal frequences, chances are according to earthly gravity, this will cancel each other out.

And no this is "Kakashi vs Madara" aid its just simple science. And please don't disagree without a explanation, thats just pure ignorance.

I get what you are trying to say but kamui does not work as a gravitational force.

If it was a gravitation force, everything around it would be trying to get sucked up into it as well. Not just the focused target.

Kamui is simple a bridge to the other dimension. Worm holes are safe bridges that do not condense matter to a singularity. you can pass through it freely. which what kamui is just at wherever the user targets.

Black holes are condensed singularities that have extreme gravitational force, attracting everything in proximity towards its center which destroys it from sheer density.

 

[Sasori of the six paths]

Very well thought through, the only problem i see is that, what i think from what we have seen, kamui forms the black hole on the inside and it absorbs from the inside out, to repel that would have to be basically making the inside of your body push out in every direction. Still probably possible but the slightest miscalulculation and ur a gonner. Of course i dont believe its explained exactly where it forms sooo its speculation. Very nice job thinking that through though ^_^ and it does have a very likely chance of being correct, just adding my 3.5 cents

 

[NowNoon]

NOPE!

 

[wootan]

No physics involved here! Shinra tensei simply cancels out any NV jutsu, be it eye techniques or not. Tendo already faught kakashi and the result is known. My suspicion is anyone with sharingan or greater can deal with kamui. Using physics in ,v is like explaining the black flames. And yes shinra tensei extinguished them go figure