Sasuke vs Minato The never ending debate [Solved]

[pateuvasiliu]

lol? Bee's Octopus tentacle clone is NOT a Shadow Clone, it's made from his tentacle. Using B's clone as evidence is obviously not going to fly here.

The Juubi was screaming when Enton hit it, if a Shadow Clone touches it it will go poof.



The only time where the flames spread on their own is when they lit the web on fire, everything else was created by the user. Itachi created the flame that engulfed Sasuke's flame, Itachi created the trail of flames that was chasing Sasuke (All while he was sick and had an MS, Sasuke is not sick and has EMS) Enton spawns on Sasuke's Susanoo as seen vs A.

If Minato is coming to touch his Susanoo obviously he's going to put Enton on it as its a chance to kill him with the flame. He doesn't need to know what Minato is trying to do.

The logical thing to do would be to fire at Minato not expect him to do it instead.

And honestly, he won't shield his WHOLE Susanoo against Minato. Even if he did think Minato will attack him, why would he shield all of it? That's just wasted chakra. You're allowing your own knowledge of FTG to distort the IC knowledge Sasuke has.

Against Ay, he used small pieces of Enton. He has no reason to cover his whole Susanoo, because he does not know a simple touch is enough to tag it.

Not to mention, Minato still has ST barrier which can be used on Susanoo to send it to God knows where.

Itachi created the flame that engulfed Sasuke's flame

He used it on the flame, it simply spread.

Amaterasu/Enton not destroying a clone? Lmfao, I'm outta here man.

Well, it didn't destroy a Samurai armor or Ay's hand so there's that.

 

[Bogard]

lol? Bee's Octopus tentacle clone is NOT a Shadow Clone, it's made from his tentacle. Using B's clone as evidence is obviously not going to fly here.

Clearly you didn't notice that after extracting the chakra on the clone kawarimi, it did go poof. It was a clone, but a clone kawarimi using a tentacle. At some point, Killer-Bee even said that in a discussion with Hachibi, just that i don't remember the passage clearly, but i'll edit

The Juubi was screaming when Enton hit it, if a Shadow Clone touches it it will go poof.

You mean a much more powerful enton overpowered by Naruto's huge FRS? And even then, he only screamed for a second(the moment of the hit), after that he tanked it casually until he removed it. And we are talking about the direct hit of Amaterasu here, not a Enton variant. Amaterasu burns faster when the user focus on the target. When the flames are left on their own, they can't even burn a little flower. It's proven by the fact that in part1, by focusing enough, Itachi was capable to burn through Jiraya's toad before it captured them completely, but when the flames were left on their own, they did nothing at all

 

[KidGamer65]

The logical thing to do would be to fire at Minato not expect him to do it instead.

And honestly, he won't shield his WHOLE Susanoo against Minato. Even if he did think Minato will attack him, why would he shield all of it? That's just wasted chakra. You're allowing your own knowledge of FTG to distort the IC knowledge Sasuke has.

Against Ay, he used small pieces of Enton. He has no reason to cover his whole Susanoo, because he does not know a simple touch is enough to tag it.

Not to mention, Minato still has ST barrier which can be used on Susanoo to send it to God knows where.

If Minato comes at him to try and touch his Susanoo, Sasuke would fire at him, Minato would dodge, if he keeps on firing and Minato keeps on evading, the only smart thing to do would be to let Minato get close to the Susanoo and then only cover the parts he's about to touch with Enton and let him get himself killed if he can't hit him. Just like he did with Ay, he couldn't hit him so he resorted to letting A get himself killed.

Sasuke actually has to go into the barrier for that to work, which he obviously won't do.

He used it on the flame, it simply spread.

No. Fire doesn't just spread on its own.

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You can see Itachi focusing on the fireball adding more flames, that's why his eye is like that. Then he closes it to stop spawning the flames.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Sasuke actually has to go into the barrier for that to work, which he obviously won't do.

Who said you have to enter it? He could just spawn the barrier on him.

No. Fire doesn't just spread on its own.

That's kinda how fire works. It only needs something to burn, and in this instance it was Sasuke's katon.

If Minato comes at him to try and touch his Susanoo, Sasuke would fire at him, Minato would dodge, if he keeps on firing and Minato keeps on evading, the only smart thing to do would be to let Minato get close to the Susanoo and then only cover the parts he's about to touch with Enton and let him get himself killed if he can't hit him. Just like he did with Ay, he couldn't hit him so he resorted to letting A get himself killed.

Then Minato simply makes a clone and touches Susanoo from 2 opposite sides, so Sasuke can't follow them both.

 

[KidGamer65]

Who said you have to enter it? He could just spawn the barrier on him.

That is not how the barrier works at all.

That's kinda how fire works. It only needs something to burn, and in this instance it was Sasuke's katon

Meaning it doesn't spread on its own, but whatever, I already showed evidence of Itachi adding more flames in to overcome the Katon.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

That is not how the barrier works at all.




Meaning it doesn't spread on its own, but whatever, I already showed evidence of Itachi adding more flames in to overcome the Katon.

This barrier technique incorporates the use of Minato's Flying Thunder God Kunai technique formula as well as a unique set of hand seals to erect a barrier capable of warping away anything which comes in contact with it.

As I said, if the barrier is spawned on Sasuke, he -is- coming in contact with it.

 

[Sygris]

As I said, if the barrier is spawned on Sasuke, he -is- coming in contact with it.

minato uses ftg to warp stuff away by touch, not s/t barrier.
s/t barrier is used when offensive jutsus are used against minato, like tbb.
from what we have seen so far, minato can only use the barrier in front of himself.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

minato uses ftg to warp stuff away by touch, not s/t barrier.
s/t barrier is used when offensive jutsus are used against minato, like tbb.
from what we have seen so far, minato can only use the barrier in front of himself.

Well yeah, but that doesn't mean that you can only use it defensively. As an example, if Nagato were to use CT, Minato should be able to use the barrier near CT in order to engulf it.

 

[Smd]

Again, coming from the same guy who said Zetsu is stronger than Hidan.

Back on topic: Sasuke beats Minato

learn to ignore trolls.

Nah, Minato beats him fair and square.

looks at profile name.

Cool story

Minato has demonstrated multiple times that he can teleport into a radius around a marked kunai not only directly above one. This means that he doesn't actually have to physically mark sasuke to get into susanoo since he controls where he appears within the radius.

Add in the fact that he now has shadow clones it pretty much seals the deal for sasuke. It's very plausible that minato can use 2-3 clones which all have marked kunai to distribute. If its done right minato could actually hide the fact he made a clone, instead just appearing as though he is in to places at once with his speed.

Also clones aren't affected by genjutsu. So clone feints will work just as kakashi used on itachi. Minato is to fast for Enton or amaterasu and as I explained earlier minato can actually get inside susanoo. Minato takes this and I didn't even mention KM.

P.s. the argument that someone has no counter for genjutsu because they have never been caught and broken one in-canon is stupid. Someone of Kage level wouldn't have such a glaring weakness, if genin naruto and Sakura has counters minato does. Besides minato developed rasengan which requires the highest degree of chakra control.

lol your theory is full of assumptions and few facts.

at the end of the day its your opionion, which is very flawed.

-Sasuke is on par with kcm naruto speed, so its safe to say he can keep up.

-Clones are ineffective, sasuke has dealt with them since day one with the pro naruto.

-Minato has never seen Supreme MS genjutsu, nor enton release, nor susanno, nor amatersu


The odds stack to high against minato, you all ignore that fact that he is clueless about MS uchiha users and give him knowledge he doesnt have

by logic, minato stomps both in edo and alive. sadly, the fanboys are pretty good when it comes to denying the manga.

by gatasuga logic. fanboys due ignore manga.

What did i just read

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i was thinking that when i got to your comment.

I thought we all knew EMS sasuke beats live minato

 

[pateuvasiliu]

-Sasuke is on par with kcm naruto speed

Stopped reading there, brain cells started exploding.

 

[Bogard]

Well this is the proof it was indeed a clone:

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As stated after extracting the chakra, it did go poof

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Yet it didn't after having Amaterasu on it for an extended period of time

Hachibi even says it here btw:

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[KidGamer65]

As I said, if the barrier is spawned on Sasuke, he -is- coming in contact with it.

When I said that's now how it works, I said that he can't spawn it on whatever he chooses. Both times it's been used its been opened in front of where Minato is, then the projectile made contact with it, got sucked inside and got sent elsewhere.

Then Minato simply makes a clone and touches Susanoo from 2 opposite sides, so Sasuke can't follow them both.

He doesn't need to follow both when he can cover Susanoo with Enton, especially when all he needs his a V2 Susanoo as Minato can't get even past that.

Well this is the proof it was indeed a clone:

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As stated after extracting the chakra, it did go poof

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Yet it didn't after having Amaterasu on it for an extended period of time

I know it was a clone. Though Octopus Clone=/=Shadow Clone they don't have the same durability nor are they made the same. So again, what's the point of bringing this up?

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Both times it's been used its been opened in front of where Minato is

Because he needs a Kunai/FTG marking to use it.

Throw a kunai/mark a clone and he can use it.

 

[KidGamer65]

Because he needs a Kunai/FTG marking to use it.

Throw a kunai/mark a clone and he can use it.

Uh, no that's not how it works.

He makes the handsigns for the technique.

Then he makes the last handsign with the Kunai in his hand.

Then the barrier appears in front of him and when the target runs into it, it gets warped.

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He doesn't nor can he use S/T Barrier how you're implying he can.

 

[Bogard]

I know it was a clone. Though Octopus Clone=/=Shadow Clone they don't have the same durability nor are they made the same. So again, what's the point of bringing this up?

It's not a Octopus clone. It's octopus leg clone in order words a clone of the limbs, something that gets casually destroyed everyday in the manga(either by Minato's kunai, Sasuke's lightning and so on). So saying that Octopus leg clone is more durable than normal shadow clone is baseless especially when we notice that just after extracting chakra in it, it goes poof casually.

We've even seen sometimes in the manga clones capable to take hits and bleed without going poof. You're clearly underrating the durability of clones here, like at the same time you overrate(or not understand) the capacities of Amaterasu/Enton variant

You also clearly missed the part where i said that when the flames are left on their own, they can't even burn a little flower(i gave the Itachi vs Jiraya battle in part1 as an example of this). A Enton placed around Susanoo like you describe isn't a focused amaterasu(rather still). It's for that reason that we see Raikage walking with it casually. Amaterasu burns faster when the user focus on the target. The hit in this case is important, but not when the flames are left on their own. It's for that reason that it will never make a clone go poof

 

[Sygris]

Well yeah, but that doesn't mean that you can only use it defensively. As an example, if Nagato were to use CT, Minato should be able to use the barrier near CT in order to engulf it.

personally i'd say that minato would use ftg to warp away CT, but i guess s/t barrier could also be used for this, especially seeing that he can use s/t barrier against madara meteor.

 

[Optimistic]

Sasuke is always the laughing stalk of the VS section, its about time this mockery ended.

 

[Multiply]

This debate is interesting. I believe personally that Minato takes this due to chakra loss of Sasuke. Most Sasuke fanboys claim he can sit in the susanoo the entire time. That's just not true though. Even with EMS, susanoo still causes agonizing pain like Sasuke described before. It consumes a large amount of chakra still, but doesn't make his sharingan go dark. While Sasuke could sit there, Minato can just sit there too. Sasuke doesn't actually land a hit on him IMO, if A can't, Sasuke won't even get close. That being said I don't know that Minato can get close enough without Sasuke spamming susanoo, but if he does, this fight is over. With clones, Minato is literally the most deadly person on NV. If you get marked, you're done. He can just spam the hell out of you with clones. I can see a lot of ways Sasuke could potentially win, but IMO Minato takes this 7/10.

 

[xxSasukEkUnxX]

Wait... FTG and Susano'o are restricted?

Sasuke, low diff....?

 

[Multiply]

Wait... FTG and Susano'o are restricted?

Sasuke, low diff....?

No, I was simply saying if one was restricted from the user, the other person would solo, and vice versa. You do realize without FTG Minato is still the fastest... Right? :|