Sasuke vs Minato The never ending debate [Solved]

[DemonicAvenger]

Sasuke is the victor here. MS Sasuke has chances to take it as well.

Edo Minato is a diffrent story though.

 

[KidGamer65]

Minato can't hurt him so he can't beat him.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Minato can't hurt him so he can't beat him.

He can teleport Susanoo away and with Kage Bunshin he can do it even more easily.

 

[KidGamer65]

He can teleport Susanoo away and with Kage Bunshin he can do it even more easily.

Enton shield says hi, any clone that comes in contact with Susanoo gets poofed and if Minato comes in contact with it he gets lit on fire.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Enton shield says hi, any clone that comes in contact with Susanoo gets poofed and if Minato comes in contact with it he gets lit on fire.

He can't cover the whole Susanoo with it, that would take a colossal amount of chakra which he does not have, since if he could do that he wouldn't have needed Naruto's FRS to cover a -SMALL- portion of the Juubi with it.

Furthermore, a clone only needs to touch Susanoo ( even if it will be destroyed ). That's enough for Minato to blitz in, teleport Susanoo and kill Sasuke.

 

[Gakido]

He can't cover the whole Susanoo with it, that would take a colossal amount of chakra which he does not have, since if he could do that he wouldn't have needed Naruto's FRS to cover a -SMALL- portion of the Juubi with it.

Furthermore, a clone only needs to touch Susanoo ( even if it will be destroyed ). That's enough for Minato to blitz in, teleport Susanoo and kill Sasuke.

Base Minato isn't fast enough to blitz Sasuke. Minato fans need to turn it down a notch.

You also realize how massive the Juubi is right? Not only that, EMS Sasuke used Amaterasu and Enton mutliple times whilst using Susano'O against Kabuto and didn't break a sweat.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Base Minato isn't fast enough to blitz Sasuke. Minato fans need to turn it down a notch.

You also realize how massive the Juubi is right? Not only that, EMS Sasuke used Amaterasu and Enton mutliple times whilst using Susano'O against Kabuto and didn't break a sweat.

He's not ''blitzing'' Sasuke with his base shunshin but with FTG once Susanoo is tagged. He simply ports to Susanoo then ports -Susanoo- to Konoha and kills Sasuke.

Or, even better, he makes another clone. They both use FTG, port to Susanoo and the following happens: a clone ports Susanoo to Konoha while Minato kills Sasuke.

I could also debate on Minato's base footspeed which was able to blitz Tobi before he could stab naruto, but that's a fishy event.

 

[Sygris]

He can't cover the whole Susanoo with it, that would take a colossal amount of chakra which he does not have, since if he could do that he wouldn't have needed Naruto's FRS to cover a -SMALL- portion of the Juubi with it.

Furthermore, a clone only needs to touch Susanoo ( even if it will be destroyed ). That's enough for Minato to blitz in, teleport Susanoo and kill Sasuke.

agree.
a KB can also use ftg, which makes this possible. amaterasu doesn't instantly kill you, allowing the KB to ftg susanoo away, before it's destruction.

 

[Gakido]

He's not ''blitzing'' Sasuke with his base shunshin but with FTG once Susanoo is tagged. He simply ports to Susanoo then ports -Susanoo- to Konoha and kills Sasuke.

Dude, what are you even talking about. If he teleports Susano'O away then he can't teleport to Sasuke.

Or, even better, he makes another clone. They both use FTG, port to Susanoo and the following happens: a clone ports Susanoo to Konoha while Minato kills Sasuke.

Sasuke has time to react Since Minato has to teleport Susano'O away.

I could also debate on Minato's base footspeed which was able to blitz Tobi before he could stab naruto, but that's a fishy event.

He didn't blitz Obito, he just caught Naruto before it came back down. Even other instance Obito reacted to Minato without a problem.

 

[Sygris]

Dude, what are you even talking about. If he teleports Susano'O away then he can't teleport to Sasuke.



Sasuke has time to react Since Minato has to teleport Susano'O away.



He didn't blitz Obito, he just caught Naruto before it came back down. Even other instance Obito reacted to Minato without a problem.

time to react? ftg is instant. susanoo is gone, the instant it gets touched by minato or his KB.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Dude, what are you even talking about. If he teleports Susano'O away then he can't teleport to Sasuke.

That's why I said he ports to Susanoo first.

Sasuke has time to react Since Minato has to teleport Susano'O away.

FTG is instant, whether it is you who teleports or you who is teleporting something. Minato ported the Kyuubi without a hand seal, instantly.

He didn't blitz Obito, he just caught Naruto before it came back down. Even other instance Obito reacted to Minato without a problem.

If memory serves me right, that was the only instance Minato used shunshin ( normal shunshin ) against Obito and he covered a rather impressive distance within miliseconds ( gravitational acceleration, yadda yadda ).

 

[KidGamer65]

He can't cover the whole Susanoo with it, that would take a colossal amount of chakra which he does not have, since if he could do that he wouldn't have needed Naruto's FRS to cover a -SMALL- portion of the Juubi with it.

Furthermore, a clone only needs to touch Susanoo ( even if it will be destroyed ). That's enough for Minato to blitz in, teleport Susanoo and kill Sasuke.

lol? Itachi used this much Amaterasu even though he was sick.

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Yet he can't use Enton to make an Amaterasu shield on his Final Susanoo because it'll take a colossal amount of chakra? Which isn't even that large. Especially considering the fact that Enton takes less chakra than an actual usage of Amaterasu.

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lol, not sure if serious.

Do you know how large the Juubi is? A small portion of it would be big compared to other things. Also, why would he opt to use more chakra for that when he could do a combo with Naruto and preserve more chakra?

As soon as the clone makes contact with the flames on Susanoo it'll poof, its never going to touch the actual Susanoo.

Besides, if the Susanoo is warped away, Sasuke still has time to throw up a Ribcage Susanoo, which can't be separated from its user. (Not like he can do it anyway)

 

[ILikeBigYolos]

I wonder how sasuke could survive a volcano

 

[Sygris]

lol? Itachi used this much Amaterasu even though he was sick.

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Yet he can't use Enton to make an Amaterasu shield on his Final Susanoo because it'll take a colossal amount of chakra? Which isn't even that large. Especially considering the fact that Enton takes less chakra than an actual usage of Amaterasu.

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lol, not sure if serious.

Do you know how large the Juubi is? A small portion of it would be big compared to other things. Also, why would he opt to use more chakra for that when he could do a combo with Naruto and preserve more chakra?

As soon as the clone makes contact with the flames on Susanoo it'll poof, its never going to touch the actual Susanoo.

Besides, if the Susanoo is warped away, Sasuke still has time to throw up a Ribcage Susanoo, which can't be separated from its user. (Not like he can do it anyway)

ribcage susanoo and susanoo are the exact same thing.

 

[KidGamer65]

ribcage susanoo and susanoo are the exact same thing.

Larger versions of Susanoo have shown that they can be separated from their user. Ribcage hasn't nor would it make any sense for it to be teleported away as it is just a ribcage surrounding the user.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

lol? Itachi used this much Amaterasu even though he was sick.

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I did expect those scans and here's my personal impression as to why they should not apply..

That's Amaterasu. Amaterasu burns whatever the user is looking at. A tree, a web, a person. It spreads. The main point is that when they used Amaterasu on a surface, it spread to its surroundings. ( Sasuke's ring of fire does look like Enton since he made it into a circle, but that's still not the size of a Susanoo ).

Meanwhile, Enton doesn't spread like that, since it works different from Amaterasu.

Also, why would Sasuke cover his Susanoo in Enton? He has no knowledge on FTG other that Minato is really fast, whereas Minato already saw both Enton and Susanoo at work. Sasuke has no way of knowing Minato can port something as large as Susanoo. For all we know, Sasuke may not even know Susanoo can be separated from the user.

As for Ribcage, of course Minato can port that too. It's chakra. It cannot be physically split from the owner sure, but FTG isn't physical.

 

[Bogard]

Enton shield says hi, any clone that comes in contact with Susanoo gets poofed and if Minato comes in contact with it he gets lit on fire.

Bee's clone kawarimi didn't go poof even after taking the heat of the real Amaterasu for an extended amount of time. What people always fail to realise is that Amaterasu doesn't do destructive damage. They are basic fire who even burn slowly(it didn't get through Samurai's armour, Raikage was walking casually with it and so on). A clone will never go poof even after getting hit by it

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Bee's clone kawarimi didn't go poof even after taking the heat of the real Amaterasu for an extended amount of time. What people always fail to realise is that Amaterasu doesn't do destructive damage. They are basic fire who even burn slowly(it didn't get through Samurai's armour, Raikage was walking casually with it and so on). A clone will never go poof even after getting hit by it

That's also true, Amaterasu burns fairly slow. That Samurai had time to sip a cup of tea and it did not even get through his armor.

 

[KidGamer65]

Bee's clone kawarimi didn't go poof even after taking the heat of the real Amaterasu for an extended amount of time. What people always fail to realise is that Amaterasu doesn't do destructive damage. They are basic fire who even burn slowly(it didn't get through Samurai's armour, Raikage was walking casually with it and so on). A clone will never go poof even after getting hit by it

lol? Bee's Octopus tentacle clone is NOT a Shadow Clone, it's made from his tentacle. Using B's clone as evidence is obviously not going to fly here.

The Juubi was screaming when Enton hit it, if a Shadow Clone touches it it will go poof.

I did expect those scans and here's my personal impression as to why they should not apply..

That's Amaterasu. Amaterasu burns whatever the user is looking at. A tree, a web, a person. It spreads. The main point is that when they used Amaterasu on a surface, it spread to its surroundings. ( Sasuke's ring of fire does look like Enton since he made it into a circle, but that's still not the size of a Susanoo ).

Meanwhile, Enton doesn't spread like that, since it works different from Amaterasu.

Also, why would Sasuke cover his Susanoo in Enton? He has no knowledge on FTG other that Minato is really fast, whereas Minato already saw both Enton and Susanoo at work. Sasuke has no way of knowing Minato can port something as large as Susanoo. For all we know, Sasuke may not even know Susanoo can be separated from the user.

As for Ribcage, of course Minato can port that too. It's chakra. It cannot be physically split from the owner sure, but FTG isn't physical.

The only time where the flames spread on their own is when they lit the web on fire, everything else was created by the user. Itachi created the flame that engulfed Sasuke's flame, Itachi created the trail of flames that was chasing Sasuke (All while he was sick and had an MS, Sasuke is not sick and has EMS) Enton spawns on Sasuke's Susanoo as seen vs A.

If Minato is coming to touch his Susanoo obviously he's going to put Enton on it as its a chance to kill him with the flame. He doesn't need to know what Minato is trying to do.

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

Amaterasu/Enton not destroying a clone? Lmfao, I'm outta here man.