Sasuke is logically faster than Naruto without his modes.

[Greatness23]

Yeah no.

I can acquiesce with the suggestion Sasuke's speed is roughly the same as Base Naruto. However, RSM Naruto is vastly FASTER. While on that mode, he evaded a Light speed attack, and blitzed Kaguya.

"This gif shows Sasuke catching up to Naruto while in RSM, proving he is in thatlevel of speed, then uses the body flicker technique to simply get ahead of himin the fight."

Sasuke simply moved ahead of from via the fact both were trying to incorporate a coordinated mode of approach. Naruto had to stay behind so Sasuke would attack first. It's a common method they use to attack an opponent.

Base Naruto is Slow as an hour in hell fire. Sasuke is simply the God of speed. They're equals. Naruto with his nine tailed power = a godly dojutsu sasuke.

 

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Base Naruto countering Momoshiki's kick with his face

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

Re: Sasuke is logically faster than Naruto without his mode

My point is your brought up the fact Sasuke retreated from the Kinshiki fight as a bad thing. So you're saying Sasuke retreated from Kinshiki because he used his rinnegan jutsu? He retreated because momo appeared. Why would Sasuke fight two outusuki's that he had little knowledge of ability.

And your argument doesn't hold true cuz Momo wasn't interfering in the fight. And I never said Sasuke retreated from the fight cuz he used his rinnegan jutsu. He was going to retreat anyway but he didn't and chose to fight Kinshiki instead cuz he wanted to take at least one of them down before retreating. Otherwise the whole point of his staying fighting Kinshiki becomes pointless instead of retreating right away.

You're the idiot bringing up momo ninjutsu as a an argument for speed. It has nothing do with nerds. You're not bringing anything substantial to this argument whatsoever. All I said was Sasuke could have used susanoo to defend against the branches and you even said yourself he can use susanoo. Do you even read what you type?

Lol you said he was nerfed when he wasn't. Don't backtrack now on what you said. I said he would've used susanoo if he could've have but Momo's attack was too fast for him to even counter let alone use his susanoo. He had the susanoo he just couldn't activate it in time.

Watch the scene again? Kinshiki didn't throw Sasuke anywhere. Sasuke was the one who was all in Kinshiki's grill in the first place, kicking him and climbing on top of him but somehow you think Kinshiki is the one controlling the pace of the fight. Sasuke was winning. He cut off his horn, Sasuke didn't have a scratch on hi at all.

Well here Kinshiki slams him against the ground right after Sasuke loses his sword...

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And after he lost it he completely went into the backfoot with nothing to parry against Kinshiki's attacks and was even forced to use his ameno to dodge Kinshiki's attacks. Guess he chose to retreat after this.

Base naruto landed no hits on momo. It doesn't matter who was superior, naruto did absolutely nothing to momo in his base form to quantify it as a speed feat

Lol what stupid logic. So a Sasuke who fought and struggled against Kinshiki is faster than base Naruto who fought and dodged a much faster and stronger Momoshiki. Lol Sasuke couldn't even dodge Kinshiki and had to parry his attacks instead getting thrown into rocks every time. You're simply biased in favor of Sasuke and in denial of Naruto's obvious feats.

 

[Jiren]

Re: Sasuke is logically faster than Naruto without his mode

And your argument doesn't hold true cuz Momo wasn't interfering in the fight. And I never said Sasuke retreated from the fight cuz he used his rinnegan jutsu. He was going to retreat anyway but he didn't and chose to fight Kinshiki instead cuz he wanted to take at least one of them down before retreating. Otherwise the whole point of his staying fighting Kinshiki becomes pointless instead of retreating right away.

@ bold It only doesnt hold if you have the reading comprehension of a 2 year old. Why would Sasuke fight two outerdimension shinobi's with no knowlege of their abilties and he is low on chakra from dimension traveling.

I didnt make an argument using this at all, you're the one bringing up Sasuke retreating as some sort of evidence. Why does nothing you say make sense. You're always reaching from one step to another. Momoshiki appeared once throughout the whole fight. It was never implied Sasuke was fighting them both at the same time.

Lol you said he was nerfed when he wasn't. Don't backtrack now on what you said. I said he would've used susanoo if he could've have but Momo's attack was too fast for him to even counter let alone use his susanoo. He had the susanoo he just couldn't activate it in time.

Dude you're the one who brought up Momo's use of ninjutsu as some sort of back track speed argument. :| like what does Momo branch technique have to do with Sasuke,Naruto or Momoshiki foot speed.

Did Momo use this technique against Naruto? Was Sasuke unable to react to it? no he started swinging his sword at them

You confirmed Sasuke was nerfed by saying"no dont try to use sasuke cant use susanoo argument".

@bold are you really this slow tho?Susanoo is faster than Sasuke swinging his sword at it. Of course knowing you, you will probably starting saying some more nonsense about this

Well here Kinshiki slams him against the ground right after Sasuke loses his sword...

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And after he lost it he completely went into the backfoot with nothing to parry against Kinshiki's attacks and was even forced to use his ameno to dodge Kinshiki's attacks. Guess he chose to retreat after this.

but just before that Sasuke is the one who climbed on top of his back and pinned his weapons. Sasuke losing his sword doesn't mean much. Sasuke was never tagged once in the battle.

Lol what stupid logic. So a Sasuke who fought and struggled against Kinshiki is faster than base Naruto who fought and dodged a much faster and stronger Momoshiki.

You're the one with stupid logic. Implying base naruto is faster than Sasuke when base naruto did absolutely shit to Momo no matter how much you want to hype his 1 arm block to Momo's attack as if Momo is a speed god or momo was using his absolute full speed attacks against Naruto.

Naruto landed no hits on Momo whatsoever so i dont understand how you can start throwing random shade and nonsense.

Lol Sasuke couldn't even dodge Kinshiki and had to parry his attacks instead getting thrown into rocks every time.

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You're simply biased in favor of Sasuke and in denial of Naruto's obvious feats

What feats. You're just posting some overhyped nonsense you naruto fanboys picked out because you think getting kicked and surviving means Naruto's base speed is equals to Sasuke now.


Your arguments are super weak.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

Re: Sasuke is logically faster than Naruto without his mode

@ bold It only doesnt hold if you have the reading comprehension of a 2 year old. Why would Sasuke fight two outerdimension shinobi's with no knowlege of their abilties and he is low on chakra from dimension traveling.

@Bold ......If Momo had any intention of fighting then he'd have joined it right away the moment he arrived. Instead he chose to simply observe and not interfere. You're talking about other's reading comprehension while repeating the same nonsense that I had already countered lol.

And Naruto not only was low on chakra but also weakened from tanking the massing bijuu dama to save the village and Sasuke's ass. So don't keep repeating the same thing like a parrot.

I didnt make an argument using this at all, you're the one bringing up Sasuke retreating as some sort of evidence. Why does nothing you say make sense. You're always reaching from one step to another. Momoshiki appeared once throughout the whole fight. It was never implied Sasuke was fighting them both at the same time.

Well you're the one who said Sasuke retreated cuz Momo appeared when Momo didn't even interfere in the fight in anyway. Sasuke retreated cuz he was pushed on to the back foot by Kinshiki who Sasuke intended to kill. And continuing the fight further from there on would've only been to Sasuke's disadvantage.

Dude you're the one who brought up Momo's use of ninjutsu as some sort of back track speed argument. :| like what does Momo branch technique have to food with Sasuke,Naruto or Momoshiki foot speed. You confirmed Sasuke was nerfed by saying"no dont try to use sasuke cant use susanoo argument".

Nope I didn't. I only said Sasuke failed to counter or dodge Momo's wood jutsu and was caught instead while you replied that he was nerfed and thus couldn't enter Susanoo. And to that I replied that he'd have used susanoo if he could've and not that he wasn't able to use it cuz he was nerfed. Again learn to read properly.

@bold are you really this slow tho?Susanoo is faster than Sasuke swinging his sword at it. Of course knowing you, you will probably starting saying some more nonsense about this

....this had to be the dumbest thing coming from you so far. Susanoo is faster than sword's swing lol? Go read the manga or watch the movie to check which is faster :lol

but just before that Sasuke is the one who climbed on top of his back and pinned his weapons. Sasuke losing his sword doesn't mean much. Sasuke was never tagged once in the battle.

Yeah climbed on top only to be caught and slammed down on the ground lol. And then forced to use ameno to save his ass. We all know after that; he retreated. Not because of Momo but cuz he knew he was at a disadvantage and taking down Kinshiki wasn't the priority.

You're the one with stupid logic. Implying base naruto is faster than Sasuke when base naruto did absolutely shit to Momo no matter how much you want to hype his 1 arm block to Momo's attack as if Momo is a speed god or momo was using his absolute full speed attacks against Naruto.

And I see you're still in denial of facts. While Sasuke was forced to parry Kinshiki's attacks at the last moment, Naruto not only blocked Momo's attack but also stood his ground. He even managed to dodge Momo who was much faster and stronger than Kinshiki. And yes Momo was faster and stronger than Kinshiki cuz he had both Kinshiki's and his own powers as well but ofc you'd deny that in order to wank your fav no matter how illogical it may be lol.

Naruto landed no hits on Momo whatsoever so i dont understand how you can start throwing random shade and nonsense.

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Lol, Sasuke clearly saw Kinshiki coming if you pay attention to the panel lol. And here he was about to be attacked by Kinshiki again but Shikamaru restricted him at the last moment.

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Naruto on the other hand had his attention on Boruto when Momo appeared from behind and kicked him. He was too late to notice it.

What feats. You're just posting some overhyped nonsense you naruto fanboys picked out because you think getting kicked and surviving means Naruto's base speed is equals to Sasuke now.


Your arguments are super weak.

Lol complains about manga facts cuz Naruto got kicked by enhanced Momo, defends Sasuke who was slammed on the ground and had to use ameno against the much slower Kinshiki to survive. Then calls my arguments super weak and non sense....

Sasuke fans as usual, denying Naruto's feats while over hyping Sasuke's. But facts are facts and they prove that base Naruto is as fast as rinnegan Sasuke if not more. Stay mad.

 

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Base Naruto countering Momoshiki's kick with his face

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[Jiren]

Re: Sasuke is logically faster than Naruto without his mode

@Bold ......If Momo had any intention of fighting then he'd have joined it right away the moment he arrived. Instead he chose to simply observe and not interfere. You're talking about other's reading comprehension while repeating the same nonsense that I had already countered lol.

Momo simply observed and didn't interfere? You must be joking right. You're not actually this stupid are you. He's going to let a rinnegan user get away on purpose.

Well you're the one who said Sasuke retreated cuz Momo appeared when Momo didn't even interfere in the fight in anyway. Sasuke retreated cuz he was pushed on to the back foot by Kinshiki who Sasuke intended to kill. And continuing the fight further from there on would've only been to Sasuke's disadvantage.

Momo didn't interfere on screen but why would Sasuke keep fighting Kinshiki when Momo is in the background. You literally make no sense. You really a slow kid. the more Sasuke fought Kinshiki the more at a disadvantage he would be. Momo could stab Sasuke in the back at any moment during their fight. Its literally common sense that villians would gang on individuals in order to win.

Why would this moment be any different. Only a naruto fap can be this slow honestly.

Nope I didn't. I only said Sasuke failed to counter or dodge Momo's wood jutsu and was caught instead while you replied that he was nerfed and thus couldn't enter Susanoo. And to that I replied that he'd have used susanoo if he could've and not that he wasn't able to use it cuz he was nerfed. Again learn to read properly.

Bro you're flippen retarded. Stop bringing up this shitty Momo wood jutsu argument.

....this had to be the dumbest thing coming from you so far. Susanoo is faster than sword's swing lol? Go read the manga or watch the movie to check which is faster :lol

So activating susanoo isn't faster than swining a sword? Are you slow mate? Susanoo can be activated in a blink of an eye. Only Sasuke would have to do is stand there and activate ribcage and you think thats slower than Sasuke trying to swing his sword and cut off each indivdual giant branch in mid air!?

Yeah climbed on top only to be caught and slammed down on the ground lol. And then forced to use ameno to save his ass. We all know after that; he retreated. Not because of Momo but cuz he knew he was at a disadvantage and taking down Kinshiki wasn't the priority.

How can you be faster than someone when that someone is climbing on top of your back?

Sasuke was never tagged once so how does this make Sasuke slow for using ameno?

and Sasuke left when Momo arrived and that is the only fact that we know. not your bs insertion about Sasuke trying to take on two bad guys at once like your dumbass is trying to suggest.

And I see you're still in denial of facts. While Sasuke was forced to parry Kinshiki's attacks at the last moment, Naruto not only blocked Momo's attack but also stood his ground. He even managed to dodge Momo who was much faster and stronger than Kinshiki. And yes Momo was faster and stronger than Kinshiki cuz he had both Kinshiki's and his own powers as well but ofc you'd deny that in order to wank your fav no matter how illogical it may be lol.

What facts. All you did is present bs assertions that dont have any sort of conclusive evidence behind it. Naruto didn't stand his ground. Momo landed clear blows on base Naruto and Naruto was barely keeping up. You're completely illogical and a fapper.

Lol, Sasuke clearly saw Kinshiki coming if you pay attention to the panel lol. And here he was about to be attacked by Kinshiki again but Shikamaru restricted him at the last moment.

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okay and? are you retarded? Sasuke would just dodge him again like he did the 1st time when Kinshiki tried to blind side him.

Naruto on the other hand had his attention on Boruto when Momo appeared from behind and kicked him. He was too late to notice it.

Sasuke saved his girl and dodged Kinshiki? So Naruto couldn't evade Momo while saving Boruto but you saw that Sasuke can. And now all of a sudden you're trying to give a pass to NAruto when we are given a clear indication of how fast each characters can react to situations.

You're such a hardcore fanboy. Period.

Lol complains about manga facts cuz Naruto got kicked by enhanced Momo, defends Sasuke who was slammed on the ground and had to use ameno against the much slower Kinshiki to survive. Then calls my arguments super weak and non sense....

No one is complaining. You're just being a dumbtard as usual. Saying one thing but showing something completely different. Sasuke needed ameno to survive are you serious implying Kinshiki was blitzing Sasuke throughout their fight. Kinshiki never touched Sasuke once until Sasuke was on his back which would require a good amount of speed to start climbing on top of your opponents back.

Sasuke fans as usual, denying Naruto's feats while over hyping Sasuke's. But facts are facts and they prove that base Naruto is as fast as rinnegan Sasuke if not more. Stay mad.

"Stay mad" No one is denying anything naruto fanboy. Just because I dont believe everything you're shilling based on your biased opinino doesn't mean I'm not accounting naruto's "feats".

You clearly have a problem when Naruto was kicked outside the stadium by momoshiki but Sasuke was able to dodge Kinshiki's blind side attack without even being touched.

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You also fail to acknowledge the fact Base Naruto never landed a blow against Momo until he activates his Kyuubi chakra mode and still you are trying to say Base Naruto has some sort of gigantic speed feats while fighting Momo.

You fanboys literally make no sense.

 

[To Whatever]

His body is only enhanced after the rikudou power up and using chakra modes but it doesn't mean he's faster than a Sasuke. The anime /movie fight is still canon

It isn't.

Anything that didn't happen in the manga is filler. The Manga takes priority.

The anime is canon, but parts that overlap with the manga, "being the Momoshiki fight" is filler.

 

[iFlowMotion]

Jiren is kicking Darth ass in this debate XD

 

[Jiren]

It isn't.

Anything that didn't happen in the manga is filler. The Manga takes priority.

The anime is canon, but parts that overlap with the manga, "being the Momoshiki fight" is filler.

Kishimoto on Boruto movie:

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“I’ve been involved in things from far in advance personally. As I had said regarding the Boruto movie, "I can't make anything better than this work!"...

 

[NextGenNinja]

I'm not 100% sure if Kishi wrote out all the fights in the movie, but the final fight was handled by some other guy.

 

[To Whatever]

Kishimoto on Boruto movie:

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“I’ve been involved in things from far in advance personally. As I had said regarding the Boruto movie, "I can't make anything better than this work!"...

Doesn't matter, Ikemoto rectoned the fight in the manga. The fight in the anime/movie is filler regardless of how you feel about it.

Unless you can provide scans that coincide with the anime scans you're claiming.

 

[Jiren]

Doesn't matter, Ikemoto rectoned the fight in the manga. The fight in the anime/movie is filler regardless of how you feel about it.

Work approved by the original author cant be filler.

 

[To Whatever]

Work approved by the original author cant be filler.

It can be rectonned by the new writer which has happened.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Doesn't matter, Ikemoto rectoned the fight in the manga. The fight in the anime/movie is filler regardless of how you feel about it.

That's not how you override canon the only parts that are changed are the ones Ikemoto has changed in the manga everything else is still canon from the movie outside of this.

 

[Jiren]

It can be rectonned by the new writer which has happened.

There was nothing substantial about the changes in the manga that over supersede the movie. It can't be a retcon if events that took place in the manga are identical to the events in the anime. The only thing different is that the fight was extended which happens in anime all the time

 

[Guntah]

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Base Naruto countering Momoshiki's kick with his face

Bruv, even Sakura managed to hit Kaguya with a big enough diversion.

 

[Warlocks]

manga rinnagan +ems sasuke vs momo= he stomp sasuke every time
manga base naruto vs momo= momo fail to stomp naruto

even thou base naruto can react and block and dodge momo attack but rinagan sasuke couldn't t even block a slap from momo

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

Re: Sasuke is logically faster than Naruto without his mode

Momo simply observed and didn't interfere? You must be joking right. You're not actually this stupid are you. He's going to let a rinnegan user get away on purpose.

You would be right if he made any remark about capturing or killing him. He only looked puzzled at Sasuke possesing the rinnegan. So stop making these things up.

Momo didn't interfere on screen but why would Sasuke keep fighting Kinshiki when Momo is in the background. You literally make no sense. You really a slow kid. the more Sasuke fought Kinshiki the more at a disadvantage he would be. Momo could stab Sasuke in the back at any moment during their fight. Its literally common sense that villians would gang on individuals in order to win.

Why would this moment be any different. Only a naruto fap can be this slow honestly.

Actually why would Sasuke keep fighting Kinshiki when he's lost his weapon, had to use his ameno to dodge Kinshiki and was definitely on the back foot. Killing Kinshiki wasn't the priority anyway if he could've in his condition lol, getting the info back to the village was. If Momo wanted to stab him then he already would've done it instead of just standing there and watching the fight. So your argument is nothing but pure fanfic and nonsense.

Bro you're flippen retarded. Stop bringing up this shitty Momo wood jutsu argument.

Says the Sasuke fap who brings in the nerf argument every time he doesn't have anything else to counter with.
How stupid is that? Very tbh...:lol

So activating susanoo isn't faster than swining a sword? Are you slow mate? Susanoo can be activated in a blink of an eye. Only Sasuke would have to do is stand there and activate ribcage and you think thats slower than Sasuke trying to swing his sword and cut off each indivdual giant branch in mid air!?

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Susanoo doesn't cover the user instantly and takes time definitely more than a sword swing to form and cover the user completely.

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Now tell me this is faster than a sword swing....

And doubt ribcage would've even worked and tanked all the branches. Otherwise Sasuke would've done it. Btw, you didn't say it was gonna be ribcage susanoo. I see someone backtracking again on what they said earlier cuz normally when you say susannoo, people by default consider it to be a complete form and not the ribcage form.

How can you be faster than someone when that someone is climbing on top of your back?

Sasuke was never tagged once so how does this make Sasuke slow for using ameno?

and Sasuke left when Momo arrived and that is the only fact that we know. not your bs insertion about Sasuke trying to take on two bad guys at once like your dumbass is trying to suggest.

Never said Kinshiki was faster than Sasuke. They were almost at equal speed with Sasuke having slightly better mobility due to Kinshiki's large size. But Kinshiki more than made up for it with his brute strength.
Anyway the fact that Sasuke had to use the ameno to dodge Kinshiki's attack only proves my point.. Not to mention the times he parried Kinshiki's attacks despite being thrown into rocks and taking damage instead of dodging solidifies my point further that they were equally matched in speed. And sure he left after Momo arrived but Momo didn't even lift a finger while Sasuke already had a very little chance against Kinshiki without his weapon and his chakra so low.

What facts. All you did is present bs assertions that dont have any sort of conclusive evidence behind it. Naruto didn't stand his ground. Momo landed clear blows on base Naruto and Naruto was barely keeping up. You're completely illogical and a fapper.

Lmao calling obvious manga facts and feats as assertions is nothing but denial. And Momo landed just one blow and not blows as you're putting in your butthurt fanfic.

@Bold Just calm down. No need to be triggered over facts...

okay and? are you retarded? Sasuke would just dodge him again like he did the 1st time when Kinshiki tried to blind side him.

This one was a nice fanfic :lol when the scan clearly show that Kinshiki's axe stopped just before almost about to hit Sasuke.

Sasuke saved his girl and dodged Kinshiki? So Naruto couldn't evade Momo while saving Boruto but you saw that Sasuke can. And now all of a sudden you're trying to give a pass to NAruto when we are given a clear indication of how fast each characters can react to situations.

As I said Naruto was focused at Boruto at that moment while Sasuke was completely alert of his surroundings. If its about reactions then the same Sasuke got slapped in the face by a much faster Momoshiki while Naruto blocked the same Momoshiki in base form. Now Sasuke fans would argue that Sasuke was acting as distraction but blocking the same attack would've distracted Momo further but Sasuke gets slapped instead lol. So as I said, Naruto wasn't focused at his surrounding. I thought that was obvious lol but Sasuke fan in their desperation still bring out such scans lmao.

You're such a hardcore fanboy. Period.

Stay mad and salty bro. It won't change manga facts.

No one is complaining. You're just being a dumbtard as usual. Saying one thing but showing something completely different. Sasuke needed ameno to survive are you serious implying Kinshiki was blitzing Sasuke throughout their fight. Kinshiki never touched Sasuke once until Sasuke was on his back which would require a good amount of speed to start climbing on top of your opponents back.

Again calling me names or complaining won't help your argument. The point is Sasuke wasn't fast enough to dodge there and had to rely on his ameno. Tbh, Sasuke wasn't fast enough on a number of occasions to dodge Kinshiki's attacks. All he could do was parry them at the last moment and get pounded into the rocks every time. If I were Sasuke I definitely wouldn't want to parry if I could dodge such an attack. Why fall on the rocks and take even a little damage?

"Stay mad" No one is denying anything naruto fanboy. Just because I dont believe everything you're shilling based on your biased opinino doesn't mean I'm not accounting naruto's "feats".

You clearly have a problem when Naruto was kicked outside the stadium by momoshiki but Sasuke was able to dodge Kinshiki's blind side attack without even being touched.

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You also fail to acknowledge the fact Base Naruto never landed a blow against Momo until he activates his Kyuubi chakra mode and still you are trying to say Base Naruto has some sort of gigantic speed feats while fighting Momo.

You fanboys literally make no sense.

Well I am not the one twisting fact or pulling BS from my ass just to wank my fav lol. Your entire argument revolves around Sasuke being faster than Kinshiki and landing blows on Kinshiki makes him definitely faster than Naruto while completely denying Naruto's feats against a much stronger and faster Momoshiki. Sasuke was barely able to dodge Kinshiki and was even forced to use his ameno to dodge him lol. Sure Naruto wasn't able to land an attack on him cuz Momoshiki was not as weak and slow as Kinshiki but he dodged and blocked him without having a S/T ninjutsu or a weapon. That is a far superior feat than any of Sasuke's vs Kinshiki.

 

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Not to mention Sasuke struggled against Kinshiki alone both dueing their first and last encounter...

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Naruto took on the Kinshiki absorbed enhanced Momoshiki in base form for a while...

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Animation of the Kinshiki asswhippin' makes Sasuke look worse.

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