Sasuke is logically faster than Naruto without his modes.

[Jiren]

It does, unless the speed difference isn't massive.
Amped Momoshiki had a massive speed upgrade seeing as he blitzed the Gokage. Up to that point, they kept up with him and Kishinki.

Naruto was able to react to him, which implies his speed was relatively close to Momoshiki. Comparatively, war arc Naruto at Base would have gotten fodderized if he had fought amped Momoshiki, implying his Base while at adult grew in speed since he was slower at that level earlier. The point finally is this; Naruto doesn't necessarily need to train at Base. As I said earlier, it's likely his Base strength increases as a side-effect of using Kurama chakra.

Speed is relative to the stituation. Is naruto foot speed in base form faster than sasukes? No is it as fast or faster than momo? No. you can do battle with an opponent far faster than you but it won't mean you have equal speed than them. Naruto was getting tagged so he needed the kyuubi mode to put it on equal grounds

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

you're exagerrating Sasuke fight with Kinshiki just like you're exagerrating naruto base form against momo.all of Momo physical attributes were powered by Kinshiki that is true but Naruto was still getting overwhelmed and Sasuke never was that overwhelmed by kinishikj and infAct manage to scar him while he was low on chakra in another dimension

So Sasuke getting punched and kicked here and there exaggerating? Naruto dodging/blocking enhance Momoshiki's attacks not once but thrice is exaggerating? I don't think so. I am not making any of this, its all there in the manga. If anything Sasuke was getting as overwhelmed by Kinshiki as Naruto was by Momoshiki.
And don't forget its the same Naruto who had tanked and contained a super massive bijuu dama to save the village and after which Momo even absorbed a lot of his chakra as well. So he was already quite weakened. Tbh I wouldn't even have argued to the OP had this Naruto vs Momo fight not occurred but it did and I can't deny facts.

 

[Nerosmoke]

Two times, he blocked Momo's assault the first time.

True. but all Sasuke could do was take a horn off of Kinshiki Chojuro did fatle damage to kinshiki.

 

[TheMask]

Many people will tell you Naruto is faster, he's the body after all. But that argument doesn't mean much. Having the body of Hagoromo simply means large chakra, and perfectly using a tailed beast powers.

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This gif shows Sasuke catching up to Naruto while in RSM, proving he is in that level of speed, then uses the body flicker technique to simply get ahead of him in the fight.

Sasuke is naturally faster because he actually trained for his speed after copying Lee's fighting moves.

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Naruto needs Kurama's chakra to have that same speed, and he only obtained that said speed after defeating Kurama

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His speed continues to increase the more mode he gets.

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While Sasuke's speed has no need of such

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In conclusion, this isn't a Naruto bash thread, I'm simply stating this difference between their speed. They are both the same level of speed only Sasuke trained for his speed, while Naruto achieves greater speed by entering modes.

This is literal fan-fiction.
Something similar happens even in 4th Great Ninja war where when guy and Kakashi are fighting the Jinchuriki, Kakashi was matching Sixth Gate guy in Speed, when in actuality Guy is faster than him in base. IT's just plot convenience and strategy. By matching their speed it will be difficult for the opponent to decide on whom to fight first. By no means it actually means that Sasuke is as fast as Naruto.

 

[Jiren]

So Sasuke getting punched and kicked here and there exaggerating? Naruto dodging/blocking enhance Momoshiki's attacks not once but thrice is exaggerating? I don't think so. I am not making any of this, its all there in the manga. If anything Sasuke was getting as overwhelmed by Kinshiki as Naruto was by Momoshiki.
And don't forget its the same Naruto who had tanked and contained a super massive bijuu dama to save the village and after which Momo even absorbed a lot of his chakra as well. So he was already quite weakened. Tbh I wouldn't even have argued to the OP had this Naruto vs Momo fight not occurred but it did and I can't deny facts.

Sasuke was never punched or kicked by Kinshiki tho that's why I said you were exaggerating.He parried all his attacks and was pushed back by his brute strength only but it's not like Sasuke was going all out either. Naruto was kicked 100 meters by his base kick not even a moment after momo was getting used to his new power..

Of course you're exaggerating because at the end of the day naruto needed kyuubi mode to fight momo toe to toe. You're giving naruto the benefit of the doubt only because he blocked 1 attack that was set up so he get kicked across the battlefield

 

[Rock Slayer]

Using gifs as proof? Lol check the Manga base Naruto dodged and defended against fused Momoshiki. Sasuke with Ameno couldn't even do that. Naruto > Sasuke when it comes to speed.

I didn't say Sasuke was stronger or did better against Momoshiki. This is simply about foot speed

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

Sasuke was never punched or kicked by Kinshiki tho that's why I said you were exaggerating.He parried all his attacks and was pushed back by his brute strength only but it's not like Sasuke was going all out either. Naruto was kicked 100 meters by his base kick not even a moment after momo was getting used to his new power..

Sure watch the movie starting fight. Where he even lost his sword and had to use Ameno to dodge kinshiki. The same fight he gets punched as well. Sure in their second encounter he parried that attack with sword but only because he had a sword and he couldn't dodge and got thrown into tree. I do agree though that Sasuke wasn't going all out when it comes to his ninjtusu and techs but he was giving his all to his taijutsu and speed. And isn't his speed is what we're discussing here? And Naruto fought a much stronger version of Kinshiki and still did relatively well. The only one I see here exaggerating here is you.

Of course you're exaggerating because at the end of the day naruto needed kyuubi mode to fight momo toe to toe. You're giving naruto the benefit of the doubt only because he blocked 1 attack that was set up so he get kicked across the battlefield

Yup and Sasuke couldn't do anything against the same Momoshiki either with his speed other than landing a kick from behind when he was distracted from Naruto's attack and later get caught in Momo's wood jutsu without even being able to defend himself with his so awesome speed lol. That's like insta solo the moment Momo paid attention to him and Naruto had to save him.

 

[Nerosmoke]

This is literal fan-fiction.
Something similar happens even in 4th Great Ninja war where when guy and Kakashi are fighting the Jinchuriki, Kakashi was matching Sixth Gate guy in Speed, when in actuality Guy is faster than him in base. IT's just plot convenience and strategy. By matching their speed it will be difficult for the opponent to decide on whom to fight first. By no means it actually means that Sasuke is as fast as Naruto.

It's not fan fiction that is real. Kakashi and Guy did a race in a filler about the leaf being destoryed and Kakshi won. Kakashi with Sharigan speed + Chidori + copying guys movements. is real.

 

[shadowcb]

Base Naruto is at least as fast as Sasuke if not faster.

The Last movie, Gaiden, and Boruto manga proves that Naruto spent time training in base mode. IE: Naruto's improved taijutsu and new jutsu.

Naruto was going toe to toe against Momoshiki in taijutsu and holding his own.

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Momoshiki defeated everyone else. The second Naruto used his mode he dominated Momoshiki in taijutsu. Momoshiki stopped using taijutsu against Naruto from that point on.

 

[Jiren]

Sure watch the movie starting fight. Where he even lost his sword and had to use Ameno to dodge kinshiki. The same fight he gets punched as well. Sure in their second encounter he parried that attack with sword but only because he had a sword and he couldn't dodge and got thrown into tree. I do agree though that Sasuke wasn't going all out when it comes to his ninjtusu and techs but he was giving his all to his taijutsu and speed. And isn't his speed is what we're discussing here? And Naruto fought a much stronger version of Kinshiki and still did relatively well. The only one I see here exaggerating here is you.



Yup and Sasuke couldn't do anything against the same Momoshiki either with his speed other than landing a kick from behind when he was distracted from Naruto's attack and later get caught in Momo's wood jutsu without even being able to defend himself with his so awesome speed lol. That's like insta solo the moment Momo paid attention to him and Naruto had to save him.

Yeah but what has his anything to do with speed. You even went rambling how Sasuke needed to be saved. Of course Sasuke is low on chakra everytime he uses dimension portal jutsu. Sasuke couldn't use susanoo to defend himself like naruto uses the kyuubi avatar for some reason.


Naruto base speed is not on par with Sasukes. Sasuke left Kinshiki with a scar on his horn. Kinshiki never landed any fatal blows against Sasuke. They fought on par with Sasuke edging out and still holding back.

Naruto was not doing well against momo. He managed to dodge a few lethal blows but he was getting pushed back. Sasuke was never pushed back against Kinshiki and fought more evenly than base naruto fought momo. That's easy to see

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

Yeah but what has his anything to do with speed. You even went rambling how Sasuke needed to be saved. Of course Sasuke is low on chakra everytime he uses dimension portal jutsu. Sasuke couldn't use susanoo to defend himself like naruto uses the kyuubi avatar for some reason.

Well it has when he can't dodge with his own speed and need to use S/T technique instead so save himself. Surely you don't think dodging with ameno takes less chakra than dodging with his own awesome speed do you? Cuz that'd be stupid and nothing but one more excuse from you. And as I said that weakened argument holds true for Naruto as well, even more so when he had tanked a massive biju dama and had his chakra extracted.

@Bold I know what that reason is...

Spoiler

He wasn't fast enough...:th:
And don't say he didn't have enough chakra for susanoo cuz he does a perfect susanoo around Naruto's kyubi avatar in the next few panels.

Naruto base speed is not on par with Sasukes.

Manga disagrees :lol

Sasuke left Kinshiki with a scar on his horn. Kinshiki never landed any fatal blows against Sasuke. They fought on par with Sasuke edging out and still holding back. Naruto was not doing well against momo. He managed to dodge a few lethal blows but he was getting pushed back. Sasuke was never pushed back against Kinshiki and fought more evenly than base naruto fought momo. That's easy to see

Lol how desperate can you be. Kinshiki disarmed Sasuke, Sasuke had to use ameno to dodge him. So Sasuke could've won with his rinnegan abilities but just with his taijutsu and speed he was getting rekt and had to retreat without being able to defeat Kinshiki. Naruto on the other hand took on a much superior being than Kinshiki for a while and still managed to keep up with their speed and getting an advantage over them with his chakra mode.
Again while Sasuke was pushed back by Kinshiki due to not able to use his techs, Naruto kept up with Momo in base for a while without using any tech. As simple as that.

 

[kiiro]

Sasuke also has modes. He has sage chakra also.

 

[Jiren]

Well it has when he can't dodge with his own speed and need to use S/T technique instead so save himself. Surely you don't think dodging with ameno takes less chakra than dodging with his own awesome speed do you? Cuz that'd be stupid and nothing but one more excuse from you. And as I said that weakened argument holds true for Naruto as well, even more so when he had tanked a massive biju dama and had his chakra extracted.

@Bold I know what that reason is...

Spoiler

He wasn't fast enough...:th:
And don't say he didn't have enough chakra for susanoo cuz he does a perfect susanoo around Naruto's kyubi avatar in the next few panels.

Manga disagrees :lol



Lol how desperate can you be. Kinshiki disarmed Sasuke, Sasuke had to use ameno to dodge him. So Sasuke could've won with his rinnegan abilities but just without his taijutsu and speed he was getting rekt and had to retreat without being able to defeat Kinshiki. Naruto on the other hand took on a much superior being than Kinshiki for a while and still managed to keep up with their speed and getting an advantage over them with his chakra mode.
Again while Sasuke was pushed back by Kinshiki due to not able to use his techs, Naruto kept up with Momo in base for a while without using any tech. As simple as that.

Sasuke landed blows on Kinshiki. He retreated because momo arrived. You are purposely leaving out details to suit your fancy and it's getting pretty annoying since you know what happened in the story.


Sasuke getting caught in Momo ninjutsu means he's slower than base naruto? Is that your new retarded Jew argument? You realize that makes no sense because Sasuke was using his sword to cut off branches that could pin a bijuu down before getting caught. If you know Sasuke can use susanoo to defend himself then you would realize Sasuke was just nerfed for the moment. Again this has nothing to do with his speed at all because activating susanoo>>>>> using sword movements to defend yourself.

Sasuke using his teleportation means what again? Sasuke was open so he used ameno to defend himself. But did Kinshiki land any blows against Sasuke? No did Sasuke land blows on Kinshiki? He landed several.

Did base naruto land any blows against momo? No
Did momo land blows on base naruto? Yes

So how can you see base naruto on par with Sasukes speed without modes. You're being extremely bias when Naruto needed his kyuubi mode to fight momo. It's logical to assume naruto without his modes is slower than Sasuke.

Sasuke was actually said to have trained his speed. Naruto never trained his speed throughout the entire manga

 

[To Whatever]

Sasuke landed blows on Kinshiki. He retreated because momo arrived. You are purposely leaving out details to suit your fancy and it's getting pretty annoying since you know what happened in the story.


Sasuke getting caught in Momo ninjutsu means he's slower than base naruto? Is that your new retarded Jew argument? You realize that makes no sense because Sasuke was using his sword to cut off branches that could pin a bijuu down before getting caught. If you know Sasuke can use susanoo to defend himself then you would realize Sasuke was just nerfed for the moment. Again this has nothing to do with his speed at all because activating susanoo>>>>> using sword movements to defend yourself.

Sasuke using his teleportation means what again? Sasuke was open so he used ameno to defend himself. But did Kinshiki land any blows against Sasuke? No did Sasuke land blows on Kinshiki? He landed several.

Did base naruto land any blows against momo? No
Did momo land blows on base naruto? Yes

So how can you see base naruto on par with Sasukes speed without modes. You're being extremely bias when Naruto needed his kyuubi mode to fight momo. It's logical to assume naruto without his modes is slower than Sasuke.

Sasuke was actually said to have trained his speed. Naruto never trained his speed throughout the entire manga

Have you actually seen Naruto use speed feats in his base form?

 

[Jiren]

Have you actually seen Naruto use speed feats in his base form?

Has anyone? That's kind of my point naruto never trained his speed in base. He's not slow but not faster than Sasuke

 

[salamander uchiha]

Sasuke landed blows on Kinshiki. He retreated because momo arrived. You are purposely leaving out details to suit your fancy and it's getting pretty annoying since you know what happened in the story.


Sasuke getting caught in Momo ninjutsu means he's slower than base naruto? Is that your new retarded Jew argument? You realize that makes no sense because Sasuke was using his sword to cut off branches that could pin a bijuu down before getting caught. If you know Sasuke can use susanoo to defend himself then you would realize Sasuke was just nerfed for the moment. Again this has nothing to do with his speed at all because activating susanoo>>>>> using sword movements to defend yourself.

Sasuke using his teleportation means what again? Sasuke was open so he used ameno to defend himself. But did Kinshiki land any blows against Sasuke? No did Sasuke land blows on Kinshiki? He landed several.

Did base naruto land any blows against momo? No
Did momo land blows on base naruto? Yes

So how can you see base naruto on par with Sasukes speed without modes. You're being extremely bias when Naruto needed his kyuubi mode to fight momo. It's logical to assume naruto without his modes is slower than Sasuke.

Sasuke was actually said to have trained his speed. Naruto never trained his speed throughout the entire manga

Wouldn't Sasuke have to be moving twice as fast to compensate for having only 1 arm?

 

[To Whatever]

Has anyone? That's kind of my point naruto never trained his speed in base. He's not slow but not faster than Sasuke

He never needed to, his body is enhanced and developed.

Their speed in base aren't that much different. Not enough to be making drawn out threads like this, the momoshiki fight provided this.

Not to mention the Manga version of the fight supersedes the anime/movie. Meaning, the gifs you're using aren't credible.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

Sasuke landed blows on Kinshiki. He retreated because momo arrived. You are purposely leaving out details to suit your fancy and it's getting pretty annoying since you know what happened in the story.

What is your point? I know what happened in the story and you're making things up here cuz Momo wasn't even taking part in the fight. He just watched from a distance as he believed Kinshiki would be able to beat him. So you're twisting facts here by making things up that aren't there.

Sasuke getting caught in Momo ninjutsu means he's slower than base naruto? Is that your new retarded Jew argument? You realize that makes no sense because Sasuke was using his sword to cut off branches that could pin a bijuu down before getting caught. If you know Sasuke can use susanoo to defend himself then you would realize Sasuke was just nerfed for the moment. Again this has nothing to do with his speed at all because activating susanoo>>>>> using sword movements to defend yourself.

He was only able to cut one branch and got caught by the next. .....and here comes the nerf argument. Do you realize how stupid it is when in the next few panel he was able to use it perfectly well? It has to do with Sasuke's reaction speed as he couldn't defend himself in time lol.

Sasuke using his teleportation means what again? Sasuke was open so he used ameno to defend himself. But did Kinshiki land any blows against Sasuke? No did Sasuke land blows on Kinshiki? He landed several.

Lol watch the scene again, Kinshiki was throwing Sasuke everywhere and all Sasuke could do was parry and Kinshiki even managed to disarm him. Anyone with a weapon could parry like that lol, he was at the backfoot for most of the time having to parry Kinshiki's attack. And the moment he lost his sword he was forced to use ameno cuz without a weapon he was in no position to parry and it'd be the same as Naruto vs Momo.

Did base naruto land any blows against momo? No
Did momo land blows on base naruto? Yes

Did base Naruto blocked one of Momo's punch without a weapon and without being thrown of a 100 feets? Yes
Was Momo's enhanced form much faster and stronger than Kinshiki? Yes

So how can you see base naruto on par with Sasukes speed without modes. You're being extremely bias when Naruto needed his kyuubi mode to fight momo. It's logical to assume naruto without his modes is slower than Sasuke.

So how can you compare Sasuke's fight vs a lesser being to Naruto's fight vs a much superior Momo and still claim Sasuke is faster than Momo lol. Based on the feats its only logical to assume that base Naruto without his modes is at least equal to rinnegan Sasuke's speed and much faster in his chakra mode.

Sasuke was actually said to have trained his speed. Naruto never trained his speed throughout the entire manga

We know full well from the Last Naruto movie that Naruto trained regularly. And we see the results in the Naruto vs Momo fight.

 

[Jiren]

Re: Sasuke is logically faster than Naruto without his mode

What is your point? I know what happened in the story and you're making things up here cuz Momo wasn't even taking part in the fight. He just watched from a distance as he believed Kinshiki would be able to beat him. So you're twisting facts here by making things up that aren't there.



He was only able to cut one branch and got caught by the next. .....and here comes the nerf argument. Do you realize how stupid it is when in the next few panel he was able to use it perfectly well? It has to do with Sasuke's reaction speed as he couldn't defend himself in time lol.



Lol watch the scene again, Kinshiki was throwing Sasuke everywhere and all Sasuke could do was parry and Kinshiki even managed to disarm him. Anyone with a weapon could parry like that lol, he was at the backfoot for most of the time having to parry Kinshiki's attack. And the moment he lost his sword he was forced to use ameno cuz without a weapon he was in no position to parry and it'd be the same as Naruto vs Momo.



Did base Naruto blocked one of Momo's punch without a weapon and without being thrown of a 100 feets? Yes
Was Momo's enhanced form much faster and stronger than Kinshiki? Yes



So how can you compare Sasuke's fight vs a lesser being to Naruto's fight vs a much superior Momo and still claim Sasuke is faster than Momo lol. Based on the feats its only logical to assume that base Naruto without his modes is at least equal to rinnegan Sasuke's speed and much faster in his chakra mode.



We know full well from the Last Naruto movie that Naruto trained regularly. And we see the results in the Naruto vs Momo fight.

My point is you brought up the fact Sasuke retreated from the Kinshiki fight as a bad thing. So you're saying Sasuke retreated from Kinshiki because he used his rinnegan jutsu? He retreated because momo appeared. Why would Sasuke fight two outusuki's that he had little knowledge of ability.



You're the idiot bringing up momo ninjutsu as a an argument for speed. It has nothing do with what we're talking about . You're not bringing anything substantial to this argument whatsoever. All I said was Sasuke could have used susanoo to defend against the branches and you even said yourself he can use susanoo. Do you even read what you type?

Watch the scene again? Kinshiki didn't throw Sasuke anywhere. Sasuke was the one who was all in Kinshiki's grill in the first place, kicking him and climbing on top of him but somehow you think Kinshiki is the one controlling the pace of the fight. Sasuke was winning. He cut off his horn, Sasuke didn't have a scratch on hi at all.

Base naruto landed no hits on momo. It doesn't matter who was superior, naruto did absolutely nothing to momo in his base form to quantify it as a speed feat

 

[Jiren]

He never needed to, his body is enhanced and developed.

Their speed in base aren't that much different. Not enough to be making drawn out threads like this, the momoshiki fight provided this.

Not to mention the Manga version of the fight supersedes the anime/movie. Meaning, the gifs you're using aren't credible.

His body is only enhanced after the rikudou power up and using chakra modes but it doesn't mean he's faster than a Sasuke. The anime /movie fight is still canon