[Discussion] People still underestimate akainu?
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Not sure if it was mentioned already but given what we know of Luffy, wouldn’t Luffy progress quite a bit within that one year? Luffy seems to have one hell of a determination and gift for defeating stronger opponents (and getting even stronger) that is somewhat unique to him. If this interpretation is correct, then Akainu wouldn’t end the story of OP in a year. Luffy might reach levels that’s 2-3x as strong as Akainu within a year if he started as strong as he did. There’s no way to accurately measure that.
Having said that, the fact that Akainu was used as an example seems like a point was being made.
Having said that, the fact that Akainu was used as an example seems like a point was being made.
Sengoku effortlessly held down an enraged garp with one hand. Come again. And garp was never hyped as the strongest marine. So many people from naruto try to act like they know about one piece. Its quit hilarious
lol that makes him equal to garp? where was sengoku fighting roger and cornering him? why is he not the face of marines and called the hero of marines. Prime garp is the most hyped marine ever without a question. also what does watching naruto have to do with One piece, you can watch both shows and understand them, this aint rocket science.
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Yeah, genius, that’s the point. Oda has constantly asserted that the top tiers consisting of the Admirals and Emperors as in the same standing, that statement is just one more. It is one of many instances of Oda’s work disproving the notion that the status of Emperor is above the status of Admiral.
No because Oda was making the point that his protagonist needs to start off week and then become that strong throughout the story rather than starting off that strong.
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No because, 1. I don't see a dying man as his full and capable self. Yes his destructive capabilities weren't compromised but his physical health was. 2. MF isn't a true one on one showing for the reasons I mentioned above previously; outside forces, distractions etc.
Garp and Sengoku are legends and I don't think the manga's showed the 3 admirals from MF as highly as those two yet.
Oda already said the new generation > the last. So yeah. Akainu is the first fleet to ever move marine hq to the new world just to be in yonko territory
And if you wanna say that. No yonko has shown as highly as roger so, besides wb
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YEah cause as we all know, in One Piece, fighting to save a friend stops you from focusing. Remember when Luffy lost to Lucci cause Robin being in danger meant he couldn’t focus? Or when Luffy died in Impel Down and then died again in MF because Ace being in danger shook his resolve? Yeah, if there’s one thing about those OP top tiers, it’s that the desire to save their loved ones breaks their will and focus completely and they stop being determined. That’s why when they were about to execute Ace, WB froze up and gawked instead of having the resolve to take action.
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Besides a healthy younger WB and a healthy WB /= a dying WB, and I'm not saying they have shown as highly as WB.
Akainu's the first fleet admiral who had the realistic choice of moving the headquarters, it was either rebuild where it was or build a new one. It would have made no sense for the Marines to move MF prior just because they wanted to.
Did Oda say that or did Oda "say" that through the context of the manga? Because I did a quick google and don't see an interview where he said that. Though it is typical of most shonen, I'll give you that. However, you could also make the case that the Yonko aren't all of the same generation. Shanks is clearly the generation of pirate after WB since his captain used to fight WB. Kaido also looks relatively younger than WB or BM.
Remember how Luffy wasn't able to focus on Lucci enough to finish him while Robin was still in danger but was able to finally finish it once he knew Robin was safe despite being so worn out? Remember how the shock of Ace's death would have resulted in Luffy's death if he didn't have backup(you know a thing that doesn't exist in real one on ones)? Remember when WB wasn't the OP and didn't get "defend my friend" boosts? And it's not if it freezes him it's that the risk takes his attention away from the battle trying to prevent the death in the first place.
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No because this isn't what happened in the manga and is a horribly fallacible attempt at rebutall.
For one thing, the prospect of Robin being held captive never at any point during Enie's Lobby hinder Luffy's resolve and will. In fact, the opposite was deliberately highlighted when Lucci complimented Luffy because he had immense clarity and resolve for ignoring Lucci's attempt to use Luffy's friends as hostages and a diversion. To the point that Lucci complimented him Luffy's resolve was never shaken by Robin's capture because he believed in his friends' abilities, just like WB did and demonstrated at multiple points in the war.
Secondly, Luffy didn't snap back Robin was freed and that was what was stopping him from fighting properly, it was because Usopp reminded him of his friends, making this an example of my point where having to protect his friends MADE his resolve.
Another fallacy. Luffy's reaction because Ace HAS DIED does not reflect his resolve while PREVENTING Ace from dying. The failure of a task cannot be used to show how someone is during that task.
[QUOTEAnd it's not if it freezes him it's that the risk takes his attention away from the battle trying to prevent the death in the first place.[/QUOTE]
Show one instance of Ace being in danger stopped him from focusing, strategising and give his crew orders at any point before Ace's death.
So all top tiers are equal?? Fujitora is a top tier yet can be a step below someone like Kaido or akainu in hype. One group having the edge in hype/power is not inconsistent with that idea.
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if akainu a top tier character like WB , Garp , Shanks , Dragon , BB , Kaido , Big mom etc
why songeku was very concerned when Garp was going towards akainu with a killing intention and stopped him ?
why he didn't fight shanks when he challenged anyone who has the guts to fight him ?
where is this " tough " Dog of justice in these incidents ?
why songeku was very concerned when Garp was going towards akainu with a killing intention and stopped him ?
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why he didn't fight shanks when he challenged anyone who has the guts to fight him ?
where is this " tough " Dog of justice in these incidents ?
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I gave you a proof that Admiral = Yonko. Whether you're not convinced, that's not my issue. I'm just showing you the perspective of the author, whom we should all believe. 3 admirals don't equal 1 Yonko, lmao; If that was the case, Akainu would never have equally matched WB. That, and BB ran away from Akainu. The strength difference between the commanders is also inconsequential as it is with the Vice Admirals and Shichibukai, so I fail to see your point.
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I didn't say equal, I said equal standing. The top tiers are the same general level, none of them are beating each other short of high diff.
Because it would look bad for Garp the Hero to be attacking an Admiral? Because if Akainu kills Garp, that's two marines lost, or the same vice versa? Because people will ask why the Hero of the Marines is upset about Ace's death and Sengoku will have to explain why a Marine was raising and protecting the Pirate King's son?
There is no proof. You can say they are the same tier but all hype indicates the yonko are on average slightly superior. The marines need other pirates to come to a standstill with the yonkos, which further indicates there is no absolute equality, the two entities are of similar tier but one is slightly more powerful. And mf wb was probably the weakest yonko at the time due to his health so him being matched is not proof of anything.
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If the Marines balanced out with the Yonko only because of the Shichibukai, then they wouldn’t be considered three balancing powers. Thats not how balance, or numbers, work.
So the schibukai aren’t allied with the marines? They are employed by the WG to counter pirates. The war with wb was proof of that. The schibukai by themselves do not equal the yonko or the marines.
