[Discussion] People still underestimate akainu?

[Punk Hazard]

Because other people are talking like that small unit is the overkill. People are talking about 1 admiral taking out an entire yonko crew with only a handful or no support.

Yeah, that totally invalidates the premise that one Admiral can match one Emperor.

If that's accurate(which it's not) then Sengoku wouldn't have felt he needed all 3 admirals, himself, Garp and the shichibukai system to help ensure Ace's execution went off without any problems. Sengoku realized how much it would take to defeat a yonko, I don't know why you guys have such a hard time grasping it?

Because the Marines didn't want to engage in an even war. They didn't want to have war with WB at all. Ace's execution was the goal/priority, war with WB was just an unfortunate but inevitable by-product of that, so they got as much of their forces as possible to keep the war as contained and one-sided as possible. And it worked.

If they knew it took all that to take out 1 Yonko and knew to stand down when a 2nd arrived because they were too depleted to continue without suffering big losses

Except this isn't why they stopped.

then how is it 1=1?

You're saying two INDIVIDUAL members of an army can't be on the same standing with each other if the two armies aren't also equal? This is a horrible fallacy.

And what would they do if by some chance the Yonko decided to team up and come at them all 4 at once? I mean if they're equal it shouldn't be a problem but 2 at once made them stand down?

No, it would be a problem because the Emperors balance out with Navy HQ. One or two coming, that's a stomp-mid diff for the Navy. Three is high diff. All four is either way, extreme diff.

 

[Sakazuki]

Did you miss the parts where they kept saying it was necessary to have that much security because it was WB they were facing. If 1 admiral could have killed the Yonko then the fleet admiral and Garp plus the rest of the grunts would have been a definite win they wouldn't have needed the other 2 admirals and the shichibukai.

There's been no indication that an admiral could defeat a yonko on their own.

Besides when akainu fought him lmao. Literally akainu defeated the whitebeard pirates by himself.

 

[Sakazuki]

I guess people also forget akainu couldn't go all out at mf due to having to protect navy hq. I mean literally numbers dont matter with him. Almost everyone wouldve been defeated beside basically marco and Whitebeard had akainu turned the island into a lava field

 

[chopstickchakra]

Besides when akainu fought him lmao. Literally akainu defeated the whitebeard pirates by himself.

Akainu never fought WB on his own which is a key point you seem to refuse to acknowledge. Akainu's only showing against WB is MF where there were other admirals and an illness that can't be discredited either. If you think Akainu's performance against WB at MF is semblance of an admiral vs a yonko in one on one conflict idk where we go from there. WB couldn't have been more handicapped at MF; he was dying before going there, he was outnumbered and he was distracted with rescuing Ace.

I guess people also forget akainu couldn't go all out at mf due to having to protect navy hq. I mean literally numbers dont matter with him. Almost everyone wouldve been defeated beside basically marco and Whitebeard had akainu turned the island into a lava field

Whitebeard blew out his magma with his mouth why woudn't he be able to extinguish island sized lava with his quakes? The shockwaves and the tsunamis would handle that. If Aokiji was able to keep Akainu's magma from over taking his half oh of PH then so could WB.

 

[Sakazuki]

Akainu never fought WB on his own which is a key point you seem to refuse to acknowledge. Akainu's only showing against WB is MF where there were other admirals and an illness that can't be discredited either. If you think Akainu's performance against WB at MF is semblance of an admiral vs a yonko in one on one conflict idk where we go from there. WB couldn't have been more handicapped at MF; he was dying before going there, he was outnumbered and he was distracted with rescuing Ace.


Whitebeard blew out his magma with his mouth why woudn't he be able to extinguish island sized lava with his quakes? The shockwaves and the tsunamis would handle that. If Aokiji was able to keep Akainu's magma from over taking his half oh of PH then so could WB.

Well no. White beard cant use ice. And he didnt blow out half his face being missing or the two holes out through him

 

[Punk Hazard]

Akainu never fought WB on his own which is a key point you seem to refuse to acknowledge. Akainu's only showing against WB is MF where there were other admirals and an illness that can't be discredited either.

Except he did though. When Akainu fought WB the first time, none of the Admirals had caused any damage to WB. In fact, the only injury on him was from Squard's stab, and WB himself said the stab didn't harm him(as in, didn't affect his ability to fight). WB's illness can't be discredited, but it doesn't invalidate the fight as WB's illness is just a part of his weakness. It's a lacking in stamina/health, the same way lacking in speed, strength, durability, experience, and any other number of factors affect a fight.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Except he did though. When Akainu fought WB the first time, none of the Admirals had caused any damage to WB. In fact, the only injury on him was from Squard's stab, and WB himself said the stab didn't harm him(as in, didn't affect his ability to fight). WB's illness can't be discredited, but it doesn't invalidate the fight as WB's illness is just a part of his weakness. It's a lacking in stamina/health, the same way lacking in speed, strength, durability, experience, and any other number of factors affect a fight.

In a real one on one fight there are no others involved to worry about/distract you, no Ace to worry about saving, no admirals to worry about trying to attack you etc. So just because Akainu got to fight with WB before the other admirals doesn't make it a 1v1 fight.

The illness alone makes it incomparable to a one v one scenario against any other yonko since they don't have that illness is my point. Unless he's fighting another dying yonko his actions against a dying WB aren't apples to apples.

 

[Punk Hazard]

In a real one on one fight there are no others involved to worry about/distract you, no Ace to worry about saving, no admirals to worry about trying to attack you etc. So just because Akainu got to fight with WB before the other admirals doesn't make it a 1v1 fight.

And none of this actually affects Akainu vs WB. We see Akainu being able to contend with his power, and both were holding back. Once the WB pirates got to the plaza, Akainu stopped all large-scale attacks and didn't show anything that would be weather-altering, island-scarring like we know he can do a la Punk Hazard, and WB holds back to stop from hurting his crew.

There's nothing that says WB was the only one holding back while Akainu wasn't and could bust out power Akainu couldn't deal with.

The illness alone makes it incomparable to a one v one scenario against any other yonko since they don't have that illness is my point.

You'd have a point...if Akainu was behind WB until the illness acted up. The fact that Akainu has feats and portrayal that puts him up with other Emperors and Admirals is why we know he can contend with Emperors.

 

[Sakazuki]

Do you guys not realize how big a feat of akainu stalemating whitebeards gura punch with a lava fist is?

 

[Skull Knight]

Lol then stopping that lava punch by a sword is bigger feat

U guys fail to understand dat One Piece was originally going to finish in 5 years time. So a guy like Luffy can find OP in 5 years then it's no big feat for a guy like Akainu or any top tier to do that in 1year considering the fact that there's a huge power gap between Admirals/Yonkos n Pre TS Luffy.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Lol then stopping that lava punch by a sword is bigger feat

U guys fail to understand dat One Piece was originally going to finish in 5 years time. So a guy like Luffy can find OP in 5 years then it's no big feat for a guy like Akainu or any top tier to do that in 1year considering the fact that there's a huge power gap between Admirals/Yonkos n Pre TS Luffy.

This comment was made last year. OP originally being slated to end in 5 years back in the 90s means absolutely nothing.

 

[Edogawa]

Really the manga has presented one Admiral= one Yonko huh? Then why did the WG muster everyone they could to secure Ace's execution from one yonko? If that were the case then they wouldn't have needed all those people.

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It's an established fact Admirals = Yonkos. Why else would Chinjao would include Admirals and Yonkos at the same sentence, and telling Luffy he must beat them, if they weren't comparable in strength? Also, the pattern makes sense if you follow it.

-Yonko = strongest pirate / Admiral = strongest marine
-4 Yonkos / 4 Admirals (Fleet is the fourth)

It's common sense that you would muster your best resources to win a war. The WG went for an overkill when they called upon their full force; the WB Pirates were humiliated and destroyed. The balance has always been: Marine + Warlords = 4 Yonkos; admiral equals the captain, whilst the Warlords and Vice Admirals balance out the commanders. The only exception is Garp and Mihawk.

 

[Sakazuki]

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It's an established fact Admirals = Yonkos. Why else would Chinjao would include Admirals and Yonkos at the same sentence, and telling Luffy he must beat them, if they weren't comparable in strength? Also, the pattern makes sense if you follow it.

-Yonko = strongest pirate / Admiral = strongest marine
-4 Yonkos / 4 Admirals (Fleet is the fourth)

It's common sense that you would muster your best resources to win a war. The WG went for an overkill when they called upon their full force; the WB Pirates were humiliated and destroyed. The balance has always been: Marine + Warlords = 4 Yonkos; admiral equals the captain, whilst the Warlords and Vice Admirals balance out the commanders. The only exception is Garp and Mihawk.

Actually the admirals dont = strongest marine... Because of the military draft. Admiral = the 4 strongest non pirates... Which is even better

 

[LBeezy]

Akainu was used as an example of power by Oda suggesting that IF the main character (Could be Luffy. Could be Akainu. Could be Usopp. Could be Big Mom. Could literally be anyone.) was as strong as a top tier with the main character/protagonist treatment, then Oda could end his story in a year (our time 2001 - 2002 NOT one year in the story's time).. nothing more. nothing less.

Spoiler

but enjoy writing your fanfic tho :bdpf:

 

[Skull Knight]

This comment was made last year. OP originally being slated to end in 5 years back in the 90s means absolutely nothing.

It does since both are Oda's words.

Akainu was used as an example of power by Oda suggesting that IF the main character (Could be Luffy. Could be Akainu. Could be Usopp. Could be Big Mom. Could literally be anyone.) was as strong as a top tier with the main character/protagonist treatment, then Oda could end his story in a year (our time 2001 - 2002 NOT one year in the story's time).. nothing more. nothing less.

Spoiler

but enjoy writing your fanfic tho :bdpf:

Lol Oda meant 1year of real world.
If u remove the 2year gap(training) then u will notice 1year hasn't passed of Luffy's journey. And he is pretty close to OP considering he has 1poneglyph from BM n other one he gonna get from Kaido.

 

[Punk Hazard]

It does since both are Oda's words.



Lol Oda meant 1year of real world.
If u remove the 2year gap(training) then u will notice 1year hasn't passed of Luffy's journey. And he is pretty close to OP considering he has 1poneglyph from BM n other one he gonna get from Kaido.

Lmfao oh yeah? Explain the relevance then.

 

[Skull Knight]

Lmfao oh yeah? Explain the relevance then.

Relevance???

 

[Sakazuki]

It does since both are Oda's words.



Lol Oda meant 1year of real world.
If u remove the 2year gap(training) then u will notice 1year hasn't passed of Luffy's journey. And he is pretty close to OP considering he has 1poneglyph from BM n other one he gonna get from Kaido.

Yeah one year real world time even though in over 20 years real world time no one has yet

 

[chopstickchakra]

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It's an established fact Admirals = Yonkos. Why else would Chinjao would include Admirals and Yonkos at the same sentence, and telling Luffy he must beat them, if they weren't comparable in strength? Also, the pattern makes sense if you follow it.

-Yonko = strongest pirate / Admiral = strongest marine
-4 Yonkos / 4 Admirals (Fleet is the fourth)

It's common sense that you would muster your best resources to win a war. The WG went for an overkill when they called upon their full force; the WB Pirates were humiliated and destroyed. The balance has always been: Marine + Warlords = 4 Yonkos; admiral equals the captain, whilst the Warlords and Vice Admirals balance out the commanders. The only exception is Garp and Mihawk.

Idk I just don't see it that way, I see the 3 admirals = to 1 yonko and crew and that still works as a balance because rival pirates won't team up to reach OP and their goal isn't to wipe out the WG. If you have the 4 admirals who are equal stalemated with the captains then you leave all of the commanders for the VA's and shichibukai. The VA's are pretty much inconsequential and the shichibukai vary Ace stalemated Jinbei Doffy locked up Jozu, Mihawk dueled with Shanks, Kata and Jack have some of the highest bounties. Plus the WG can't rely on the Shichibukai to fight for them as we saw at MF as they are pirates themselves, would Doffy fight for the WG against Kaido?

 

[Sakazuki]

Idk I just don't see it that way, I see the 3 admirals = to 1 yonko and crew and that still works as a balance because rival pirates won't team up to reach OP and their goal isn't to wipe out the WG. If you have the 4 admirals who are equal stalemated with the captains then you leave all of the commanders for the VA's and shichibukai. The VA's are pretty much inconsequential and the shichibukai vary Ace stalemated Jinbei Doffy locked up Jozu, Mihawk dueled with Shanks, Kata and Jack have some of the highest bounties. Plus the WG can't rely on the Shichibukai to fight for them as we saw at MF as they are pirates themselves, would Doffy fight for the WG against Kaido?

Really you dont see akainu matching Whitebeard as equal? Garp who turned down admiral position and rogers rival as equal? Sengoku showing hes on the same footing as garp not being equal to yonkos? Hilarious