[Predictions] One Piece Manga Chapter 848 Discussion and 849 Predictions

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@ bold is exactly all I've been saying this whole time..
I agree with this part completely. Makes no sense for Sanji to be surprised that his own captain came to rescue him knowing who Luffy is and how is feels about his crew, so to think that everything would be okay with a simple letter is ridiculous, and goes back to my other point of Sanji handling this differently.
This makes no sense from either of you. Even if Sanji should have known that Luffy would somehow make it to Whole Cake (I'm pretty sure he didn't expect Luffy to manage to make it there as opposed to him not expecting Luffy to want to), that doesn't mean the way he handled this situation was wrong, or that his logic behind it was wrong.
 

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This makes no sense from either of you. Even if Sanji should have known that Luffy would somehow make it to Whole Cake (I'm pretty sure he didn't expect Luffy to manage to make it there as opposed to him not expecting Luffy to want to), that doesn't mean the way he handled this situation was wrong, or that his logic behind it was wrong.
It doesn't mean it's right.
 

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Okay, Sanji stomps his brothers. That accomplishes what exactly? Is Sanji attacking the people working with Big Mom going to make her just forget about the bad blood between her and Luffy? Or maybe that will convince her to let them all go, not get angrier, and not attack them? I mean, we see that she absolutely despises Lola, her own daughter, for costing her the deal of a lifetime that she REALLY wanted, to the point that she's wishing that Lola, again her own daughter, was dead. But yes, I'm sure that Sanji, a complete stranger who is the subordinate of a man who's already pissed off Big Mom by taking her favorite thing(Sweets), ruining the wedding by beating his brothers down would make Big Mom just SUPER willing to let bygones be bygones, right?

Or maybe the assassins the Germa have at their disposal will hear about Sanji beating his brothers, and then ignore their contract to kill Zeff out of the goodness of their hearts. Or perhaps they'll respect Sanji and go work for him instead? Hell they'll probably help the Strawhats take down the Yonko, because let's not forget about Kaido, who must be just as ecstatic as Big Mom that the Strawhat's took out his biggest business and made war with him. Because after all, if the strongest Strawhat barely beat that Yonko's subordinate in Dressrosa with the help of dozens of people and a Supernova of the Worst Generation, then it makes sense for Sanji to assume that Luffy can handle the man who's super stronger than him with a super bigger crew at his disposal, right?
He already beat yonji and should have done the same with his rest of the brothers back at the laboratory... Nobody made a deal out of it when everybody get to know about yonji's injuries and a contract about zeff is limited to the wedding only not any other sort of...He dont have any better feats to show that he has gotten strong after TS. Even if its punk hazard, dressrosa or WC island he just got beatings from everyone.....And if i found Big mom arc boring then your ranting won't help me to change my opinion!!
 

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Except that THEY. WON'T. CONTINUE. THEIR. ADVENTURE. WITHOUT. HIM.

howdoyounotunderstandthisbynow?
They can try to take him back. Sanji doesn't believe they can handle the full scope of the situation, WHICH THEY CAN'T, so he cut a deal for that if they fail, which at the current moment is the most likely situation.
 

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This makes no sense from either of you. Even if Sanji should have known that Luffy would somehow make it to Whole Cake (I'm pretty sure he didn't expect Luffy to manage to make it there as opposed to him not expecting Luffy to want to), that doesn't mean the way he handled this situation was wrong, or that his logic behind it was wrong.
But he did. The crew (right or wrong) are supposed to put their full faith in their captain. Sanji never should have went with Capone at the start. He should have told Capone to piss off then either been able to get him, Nami and the other one(forget who it was now Carrot maybe?) or been beaten and taken. This "I'm gonna try to spare my crew and captain who I've said I believe will be able to become PK" is what put them in more trouble in the first place, because he went to BM Luffy has to confront BM early, had Sanji stayed with SH's they could have avoided her while continuing their journey. Sanji is why Luffy is fighting a Yonkou right now.
 

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How can someone defend Sanji at this point,the guy failed in everything atm the main reason him going to BM was to do "The Robin" hence he did it even though he knew Luffy would not back off so now he fuked himself,SHs and most importantly...his captain Luffy in which he has no faith how it seems which is sad...
 

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But he did. The crew (right or wrong) are supposed to put their full faith in their captain. Sanji never should have went with Capone at the start. He should have told Capone to piss off then either been able to get him, Nami and the other one(forget who it was now Carrot maybe?) or been beaten and taken. This "I'm gonna try to spare my crew and captain who I've said I believe will be able to become PK" is what put them in more trouble in the first place, because he went to BM Luffy has to confront BM early, had Sanji stayed with SH's they could have avoided her while continuing their journey. Sanji is why Luffy is fighting a Yonkou right now.
Ah gotcha. Instead of logically assessing the situation and determining if the crew is strong enough to handle it, he's supposed to "have faith," even when it's obvious that the crew isn't powerful enough.

Y'all right, it's better for Sanji to drive the crew to their suicides than sacrifice his adventure to protect them.

It's better to have two Yonko and the Germa army actively pursuing this crew of 9 people who barely handled someone weaker than these parties WITH HELP than find a way to get away until they build up enough strength.
 

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How can someone defend Sanji at this point,the guy failed in everything atm the main reason him going to BM was to do "The Robin" hence he did it even though he knew Luffy would not back off so now he fuked himself,SHs and most importantly...his captain Luffy in which he has no faith how it seems which is sad...
Well everyone is still alive right ? And if he didn't they would've been dead.

So far so good.
 

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Ah gotcha. Instead of logically assessing the situation and determining if the crew is strong enough to handle it, he's supposed to "have faith," even when it's obvious that the crew isn't powerful enough.

Y'all right, it's better for Sanji to drive the crew to their suicides than sacrifice his adventure to protect them.

It's better to have two Yonko and the Germa army actively pursuing this crew of 9 people who barely handled someone weaker than these parties WITH HELP than find a way to get away until they build up enough strength.
Going along with BM knowing his captain will come for him is leading them to suicide. Staying with his crew so they could leave and avoid BM is the opposite of that.

Also bringing the two Yonkou after SH's at the same time is probably the best case scenario for them right now anyway as they couldn't beat a yonkou crew so now the situation is set for BM to fight Kaidou. If they had just went after Kaidou what do you think would have happened? The Kid treatment. But now BM has Caesar, Kaidou wants Caesar and both will be focused on the SH's which means it's being set so Kaidou can find and go after Caesar but BM wants him so she'd end up fighting off Kaidou giving the SH's enough chaos to slip out.
 
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Going along with BM knowing his captain will come for him is leading them to suicide. Staying with his crew so they could leave and avoid BM is the opposite of that.

Also bringing the two Yonkou after SH's at the same time is probably the best case scenario for them right now anyway as they couldn't beat a yonkou crew so now the situation is set for BM to fight Kaidou. If they had just went after Kaidou what do you think would have happened? The Kid treatment. But now BM has Caesar, Kaidou wants Caesar and both will be focused on the SH's which means it's being set so Kaidou can find and go after Caesar but BM wants him so she'd end up fighting off Kaidou giving the SH's enough chaos to slip out.
>starts posts saying Sanji's actions were bad

>finishes up talking about how something that only happened because of Sanji's actions is good for them

K m8
 

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Apparently a bunch of people have a problem with Sanji "loving" Pudding. Kinda disappointed, considering Oda couldn't have made it more obvious that he's deluding himself to find some kind of silver lining in this complete shit sandwich of a grey cloud. Hopefully Oda feeds his pen the Spoon Spoon no Mi.

Is that kid Capone's? Either way, that was probably the funniest part of the chapter for me. I doubt Pudding told Luffy and Nami she's running away. I don't see why that'd give them the grim demeanor they had. Jinbei being dead/injured or her planning to kill herself or possibly threaten Big Mom with suicide makes more sense.
What I am disappointed in, is you trying to find consolidation in this Sanji mess
 

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>starts posts saying Sanji's actions were bad

>finishes up talking about how something that only happened because of Sanji's actions is good for them

K m8
Just because you make the wrong choice doesn't mean it can't turn out beneficial. Also I'm calling out his motives more than the action themselves, that's the difference you're hung up on the action itself whereas I'm hung up on his reasoning and motive.
 
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