NB Team Debate League Round 2: Turnt Up vs Senko

[Zexion~]

exactly my point.. KOA only takes into consideration on how senko managed to win because they explained it well and they were utterly against the odds.

But he doesnt think of my team efforts.. and how well our posts were.

Im not sure if he was officially judging or not lol

 

[Prince Charles]

Im not sure if he was officially judging or not lol

haha he isnt xd but like he said if he was he would vote for senko which i have no problem with.

no disrespect to KOA. his a OG xd

 

[kakashi owns all]

I understand that the senko purpose was merely to explain how tean guy has chance and they did a good job but what about us? Just because they explained how team guy has a slight chance to win shouldnt rule out the efforts of my team where we explained and presented and countered well.

Thats where your logic fails Kakashi owns all.

i am not ruling out anything

the point of a debate (that is a bit lopsided) is to pull the judge a bit more to one direction

if i figured that team guy had a 33/100 chance to win and now i think its more like 20/100

i would vote for yall.

Your team did good overall, i did not really like how yall think you can dictate matchs into your ideal 2 on 3

but like i said i am not gonna be judgeing unless varrha ask for all judges to judge

No thats not how it works there was more then just one team here .. Turnt up did a better job at posting arguments that were solid .. and strong,they had good teamwork and countered alot of what Senko had to say .. so i voted for them .. whoever the other judges are should vote soon

they had solid and stronger people, there is more then just strength of a argument to think about

ex
kakashi vs haku

i can make a damn strong and solid arguement for kakashi, far stronger then anything some debateing for haku could. But if the haku person was able to still make points that made a judge think they had a better shot they would get the vote.

exactly my point.. KOA only takes into consideration on how senko managed to win because they explained it well and they were utterly against the odds.

But he doesnt think of my team efforts.. and how well our posts were.

Not true, i think your team clearly works well together (kida a accumulation of cocky people that works well together) not hating or anything xD

Im not sure if he was officially judging or not lol

like i said i am not judgeing unless all judges need to judge something for now

 

[Zexion~]

i am not ruling out anything

the point of a debate (that is a bit lopsided) is to pull the judge a bit more to one direction

if i figured that team guy had a 33/100 chance to win and now i think its more like 20/100

i would vote for yall.

Your team did good overall, i did not really like how yall think you can dictate matchs into your ideal 2 on 3

but like i said i am not gonna be judgeing unless varrha ask for all judges to judge

they had solid and stronger people, there is more then just strength of a argument to think about

ex
kakashi vs haku

i can make a damn strong and solid arguement for kakashi, far stronger then anything some debateing for haku could. But if the haku person was able to still make points that made a judge think they had a better shot they would get the vote.

Not true, i think your team clearly works well together (kida a accumulation of cocky people that works well together) not hating or anything xD

like i said i am not judgeing unless all judges need to judge something for now

So i should just ignore your argument for Kakashi ? .. No if you posted better arguments with your character im judging for you .. they came out here and simply said things that were wrong and weak .. i would not of voted for them .. Im not changing my vote .. took me a good 3 hours .

 

[kakashi owns all]

So i should just ignore your argument for Kakashi ? . .. they came out here and simply said things that were wrong and weak .. i would not of voted for them .. Im not changi. No if you posted better arguments with your character im judging for young my vote .. took me a good 3 hours .

if you would have voted for me in the "kakashi vs haku" sisuation then i have nothing more to say

we just have differing taste in judging

i was not asking you to change your vote btw

 

[Draegod]

Problem with me judging my man relax i can assure you that i have no bias feelings towards either team .. But lets begin with the judging

First off id like too note that the fact that Team senko was throwing obnoxious remarks ,insults and complaining sort of weirded the flow of your arguments... there is no reason to be obnoxious in a debate .. nor is there reason to complain of the use of pictures .. Does it effect you in the slightest? no Does it affect YOUR post ? No. Nor do little words in the top corners of their arguments they wanted to label their arguments they have the ability to do so.. The stuff they did does not interfere all that much with how their argument was stated .. the complaining and rude remarks however did interfere in getting your point across ..So not only was your complaining and Obnoxious remarks like "Stop using their japenise words to sound smart lmao" Completely and utterly annoying they were also unfounded, Props to Turnt Up for ignoring them for the most part ..PC got a little pushy

AND PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STICK TO ONE NAME SYSTEM FOR THE PATHS Most of you would be reffering to Human path as Human first then change it to that Realm name no one knows about .. Please just stick to the simplistic form Preta,Deva,Human,Asura Etc.

One last thing before i start the Ind. Judging The fact that people were saying that The Opening post does not get to attack first was sort of wrong. Again im talking to you senko, Part of the job of the opener is to introduce and explain the basics of a strategy that will be used to take down the other team .. which is what proof did, so your complains about that were unfounded as well
Dr.Proof's argument
It was a decent opening but i know you could of done better .. i would of liked to see an introduction on the Pains ABILITIES .. you had a good intro on your stratagem but going into depth on their abilities as any great opener should would of been better, Everyone complaining about how you split up their team without any good reason is totally wrong, its rather easy to split up a team .. They need simply confront who they are separating, giving them no choice but to fight them back. Much Like kakashi did here

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So im going to say they did indeed split up, You are indeed correct that Gakido would negate rotation however you neglected to mention that he could simply use it again ? yes it would be absorbed but he can use it multiple times to buy time for gai to come and remove preta path .. Although the other team did not say anything so ill stay on task now. Your points on how Neji were defeated were rather good. I also completley agree that preta could absorb the gates out of gai, however you neglected to mention how he does it .. Which i think was exploited in Draegods counter. yes you said he could restrain him like he did against Naruto however when up against an opponent lik Gai you need to elaborate how exactly he would come about restraining gai, So your argument against Neji was good .. The one against Gai needed some more depth .. On to your other "altercation" I loved your point on how the froth would wreck Lee's footing and since you made a valid reason on how Neji died in your case Using the chameleon was also a wonder as they had no means too see it.. All in all your post was Good, although it lacked some depth (although you did state you were not going to explain much of the second) which you should have regardless of how easy it is .. The lack of depth in the Gai part was strange seeing as he is the strongest of the four .. and you should of included an intro into the abilities of the paths.

Draegod
I liked how you translated the names for the viewers that was a good thing to do .. however then you proceeded to make a passive aggresive remark about "Fancy intro's" read my first paragraph. I also did not like how you sort of said different things then your teammates would go on ti state.. You said that ten-ten is a non factor (liability you put it) just like Turnt Up was implying however Anub, and Milwake then extensively used her and stated she was more then useless in this fight. As SOTS stated the communicators are useless and were pointless to bring up they really only help with preventing sneak attacks but even then .. We all know Knowing something is coming does not mean you can avoid it, in fact knowing its coming does not really help at all so your argument on Neji being the "Eye" of the team was sort of bad .. It really only lowered his efficiency as he was still fighting his own opponents, You stated neji and Lee are WAAY To fast for the bird and lobster.. and then basically left it at that your whole argument you didnt explain how they would blitz the animal path you simply said they would, And although the use of Air-Palm was creative it does not work simply because it would not clear a path all the way to the Animal path its distance is not very far, and seeing as how Proof said they would be engaging them long range ..I can not picture the air palm doing much .. Sorry that argument just does not stick with me.Also saying at the top that the fancy intros were stupid and then inserting a pointless video that was simply there to "fancy it up" is kind of hypocritical J.S You also split up the original order in which Proof said but SOTRS said it does not matter sooo.. i guess its all good, Your reasoning on how gai would overcome the Asura and Preta was Solid However you forget that If Jiraiya were to Blitz preta he need hold up his hands to absorb the gates chakra which i believe is doable even when confronted with that kind of speed .. As proof said in the opener, Alright ive been waiting to implement this .. Neji's 64 palms are useless against pains .. They are dead bodies that obtain there chakra from Nagato through the receivers implanted all throughout his body, so using a normal 64 palms would do nothing to block of chakra or even damage the internal organs (as they are corpses) really it would reduce it to simple Finger Pokes.
Your post was rather Sub-Par Draegod i was expecting more after that phenomenal one you posted last round


Conclusion: .......Turnt Up are the victors i firmly believe that Turnt Up Provided much more plausible strategy's and had much better team work then Senko .. After the first two posts from each team i thought Turnt up had this by a fairly large margin .. Mil.Post brought it closer but PC post basically sealed the deal .. i also think that Mil. going before PC had a negative effect .. because it left all of Deva's powers and abilities un countered .. so again

WINNERS TURNT UP

I know that many are going to argue but this took a lot of time and effort so please dont just spew hate

**SIgh**

First off, My argument was an opening; as in i didnt list everything there was to list about our strategy (just like Dr proof didnt go all out). If you read the entire post i stated it was just the begining!

Second; There is no rule sttaing the oposing team has to do what the other team tells them to do... What kind of bullshit is that??? SO if he says i pick neji to follow me 100 meters away from everyone else and the chooses what neji is allowed to do and not do its legit???? Lmao REALLY?????????????????????/

You then say " I also did not like how you sort of said different things then your teammates would go on ti state..", first off im the opening! Period! As in im the base to work up from, not i have to do what someone would state or not state! Again what kind of BS is this???? The reason why i didnt use Tenten their was because we had a plan for her later and didnt want her to go all out in the beginning because the fan drains her chakra and puts her at risk! Again, who are you to complain why we didnt choose to use tenten at the beginning when its just an opening post?

thirdly; Was you not reading how i stated they would blitz the path off the bird??? I literally gave you a video to see how it would look! How can you not get the fact i stated Lee going Gates would Blitz the path on the bird!

And for what ever reason, you think (the entire time btw) that we would stand idea and let pain have their way then react... SO basically we have to WAIT and get hit, then see what we can do????

Then the worse part of it all!!!!!

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Then lets go with another fun fact: Samahadra absorbs chakra asap when close correct??? Then why didnt samahadra absorb the 6th gate chakra from guy???????????

It isnt chakra that they use around them it is sweat!!! Plus the fact that Asura has to grab/make physical contact in order to absorb a ninjas chakra! Fact! Every time nagato/pain absorbed a ninjas chakra it was direct contact, not nearby contact:

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You also ignored the fact that i stated " he has no speed feat or def to survive the hits, and neji will be sure to knock every Metal rod out of his body! And to make sure this will happen, Lee will force Deva path to close combat. And with his occupied with Lee:", as in with no rods they are immobile (manga fact)! SO its a fact you did not read my post all the way, pathetic...



It is and was obv you were biased and from the beginning wrote all what we had to say off! SO im done! Peace!

 

[Anub]

I kept the fan into consideration a little but i still did not feel you won .. and i did not completley disregard the 8 gates because it has no feats that was only part of the reason.. i felt that you really did not do a good job explaining .. you simply said it destroys the pains .. I Most likely would of counted it had you provided a good hypothesis on what exactly it does.. yours was not good, trust me i took into account you had the weaker team and you did in fact put up good arguments however turnt up put up good ones as well .. AND YES THEY SORT OF ARE ALLOWED TO DECIDE WHAT YOU DO..He makes a strategy that will be put in place .. if you can counter it , great if not thats whats going to happen, and you did not really do a good job in countering the separation

Please don't twist your words now.

"I kept the fan into consideration a little but" - you either accept it or you don't. there's no "a little". Since the opposition did not struggle to take the fan away from us, you shouldn't either.

"I Most likely would of counted it had you provided a good hypothesis on what exactly it does" - Did the opposition counter it properly? Did you take that into account?

"AND YES THEY SORT OF ARE ALLOWED TO DECIDE WHAT YOU DO" - no. Dr. Proof split our team up as he wished. If I want to split them up in 3 team, it's my decision. If I want them together, it's my decision. If the other team provides a plan that would result into our team splitting, that is another issue. But the good doctor only mentioned that our team will split into those groups for no particular reason, just because he said so.

I'm glad you're working hard for this tourney and also as a judge, but if you're wrong on anything, I will call you on it. You need to know the difference between what I said above regarding splitting the opposition's team. Even so, I accept your vote. I don't mind losing... I just mind clumsy judging. You will get better at it in time.

 

[Zexion~]

**SIgh**

First off, My argument was an opening; as in i didnt list everything there was to list about our strategy (just like Dr proof didnt go all out). If you read the entire post i stated it was just the begining!

Second; There is no rule sttaing the oposing team has to do what the other team tells them to do... What kind of bullshit is that??? SO if he says i pick neji to follow me 100 meters away from everyone else and the chooses what neji is allowed to do and not do its legit???? Lmao REALLY?????????????????????/

You then say " I also did not like how you sort of said different things then your teammates would go on ti state..", first off im the opening! Period! As in im the base to work up from, not i have to do what someone would state or not state! Again what kind of BS is this???? The reason why i didnt use Tenten their was because we had a plan for her later and didnt want her to go all out in the beginning because the fan drains her chakra and puts her at risk! Again, who are you to complain why we didnt choose to use tenten at the beginning when its just an opening post?

thirdly; Was you not reading how i stated they would blitz the path off the bird??? I literally gave you a video to see how it would look! How can you not get the fact i stated Lee going Gates would Blitz the path on the bird!

And for what ever reason, you think (the entire time btw) that we would stand idea and let pain have their way then react... SO basically we have to WAIT and get hit, then see what we can do????

Then the worse part of it all!!!!!

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Then lets go with another fun fact: Samahadra absorbs chakra asap when close correct??? Then why didnt samahadra absorb the 6th gate chakra from guy???????????

It isnt chakra that they use around them it is sweat!!! Plus the fact that Asura has to grab/make physical contact in order to absorb a ninjas chakra! Fact! Every time nagato/pain absorbed a ninjas chakra it was direct contact, not nearby contact:

Spoiler

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You also ignored the fact that i stated " he has no speed feat or def to survive the hits, and neji will be sure to knock every Metal rod out of his body! And to make sure this will happen, Lee will force Deva path to close combat. And with his occupied with Lee:", as in with no rods they are immobile (manga fact)! SO its a fact you did not read my post all the way, pathetic...



It is and was obv you were biased and from the beginning wrote all what we had to say off! SO im done! Peace!

How was i biased ? And you were right i agreed with you on your reasoning with gai .. i said it was solid .. and neji hitting out chakra rods just for kicks .. Even with seeing the chakra they are gathering .. theres still no way that hey would know to knock them out .. what gives him the reason to suspect that they are all dead corpses.. which is why that was a lame point and as i said your video was pointless as the air palm would not clear a large enough path for lee to see the animal path.. And i said all preta has to do is lift his arms and grab the leg that guy would kick with .. but i still gave you credit for that argument as its doubtful he could do it ..however SOTRS countered your blitzing point's so thats the end of that ..

Dont call me biased btw unless you have proof besides correctly analyzing your post .. But im not going to argue with you as i can see you simply are upset that you lost

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

No one has lost just yet. There is still judging to be done.

 

[kakashi owns all]

How was i biased ? And you were right i agreed with you on your reasoning with gai .. i said it was solid .. and neji hitting out chakra rods just for kicks .. Even with seeing the chakra they are gathering .. theres still no way that hey would know to knock them out .. what gives him the reason to suspect that they are all dead corpses.. which is why that was a lame point and as i said your video was pointless as the air palm would not clear a large enough path for lee to see the animal path.. And i said all preta has to do is lift his arms and grab the leg that guy would kick with .. but i still gave you credit for that argument as its doubtful he could do it ..however SOTRS countered your blitzing point's so thats the end of that ..

Dont call me biased btw unless you have proof besides correctly analyzing your post .. But im not going to argue with you as i can see you simply are upset that you lost

I want you to tell me what they needed to say to win

or was team turnt up perfect ?

"i think this was rather iffy judgeing"

 

[Zexion~]

Please don't twist your words now.

"I kept the fan into consideration a little but" - you either accept it or you don't. there's no "a little". Since the opposition did not struggle to take the fan away from us, you shouldn't either.

"I Most likely would of counted it had you provided a good hypothesis on what exactly it does" - Did the opposition counter it properly? Did you take that into account?

"AND YES THEY SORT OF ARE ALLOWED TO DECIDE WHAT YOU DO" - no. Dr. Proof split our team up as he wished. If I want to split them up in 3 team, it's my decision. If I want them together, it's my decision. If the other team provides a plan that would result into our team splitting, that is another issue. But the good doctor only mentioned that our team will split into those groups for no particular reason, just because he said so.

I'm glad you're working hard for this tourney and also as a judge, but if you're wrong on anything, I will call you on it. You need to know the difference between what I said above regarding splitting the opposition's team. Even so, I accept your vote. I don't mind losing... I just mind clumsy judging. You will get better at it in time.

You are right that Dr.Proof did not say how he would go about splitting up your team, but Prince Charles made a definite argument on how he splits your team up .. which is why i decided to coutn it for my judging .. had you gone last and were able to counter is point .. perhaps i would of not judged it with the splitting of teams but alas that was not the case .. I believe that was a big blow to your team i did not want to say it earlier to spark outrage but i guess ill say it now, and ten-tens fan.. they did not counter the fan specify but charles made a good counter to the strategy the fan was being used for,

Thanks for the last part i guess .. I was not being biased or trying to make enemies with my vote.. i simply voted for what i thought, besides its one vote you still have 3 more ..

 

[Zexion~]

I want you to tell me what they needed to say to win

or was team turnt up perfect ?

"i think this was rather iffy judgeing"

Nice too see you can hold a grudge but i least i had reasoning .. yours was literally two sentences of gibberish .. im not going to explain to you anything .. im a judge so i get to cast my vote

 

[Anub]

No one has lost just yet. There is still judging to be done.

Well. Fun debate either way.

 

[kakashi owns all]

Nice too see you can hold a grudge but i least i had reasoning .. yours was literally two sentences of gibberish .. im not going to explain to you anything .. im a judge so i get to cast my vote

i had no grudge

i had to look to see if you were even one of the people who commented (i forgot)

well on that note i will officially vote

i vote for Senko

Dont ask me why, i am a judge and dont have to explain myself to anyone

btw your reasoning is wrong

the point is not to see who has the more solid and strong argument its to see did better as a debater

if you come out thinking one side has a better shot then you come in thats who you should vote for.

Edit : in case it was not clear this is not my judgeing on this.

 

[KidGamer65]

i had no grudge

i had to look to see if you were even one of the people who commented (i forgot)

well on that note i will officially vote

i vote for Senko

Dont ask me why, i am a judge and dont have to explain myself to anyone

I thought that you had to post why? Isn't that what a judge does? Explain why he chose the team he chose?

 

[Anub]

You are right that Dr.Proof did not say how he would go about splitting up your team, but Prince Charles made a definite argument on how he splits your team up ..

THANK YOU. This is all I wanted to hear/read! I was correct in not having to go by Dr. Proof's logic that our team is simply split up like that. What PC posted is not my business though! I countered SOTRS and DR. Proof, so there is no way in which any judge would decide that splitting the opposition's team as you wish is a valid argument and that it sets how the match-up will go.

 

[kakashi owns all]

I thought that you had to post why? Isn't that what a judge does? Explain why he chose the team he chose?

Thats what your suposted to do

i was merely mocking Zexion~

 

[Zexion~]

THANK YOU. This is all I wanted to hear/read! I was correct in not having to go by Dr. Proof's logic that our team is simply split up like that. What PC posted is not my business though! I countered SOTRS and DR. Proof, so there is no way in which any judge would decide that splitting the opposition's team as you wish is a valid argument and that it sets how the match-up will go.

Yes but then Draegod went along with it .. So i let it happen, After that i decided it would take the tone of the match as well,

 

[Zexion~]

Thats what your suposted to do

i was merely mocking Zexion~

Lol it sounded like your last judging so we weren't sure

 

[kakashi owns all]

Yes but then Draegod went along with it .. So i let it happen, After that i decided it would take the tone of the match as well,

It was debated

You cant do that.