NB Team Debate League Round 2: Turnt Up vs Senko

[Prince Charles]

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LMFAOOOOOO!!! that made my day

LMFAOOOOO

 

[Anub]

Unless someone else objects, I believe the conclusion we all came to is that all 6 arguments are VALID and this debate is ready to be judged.

 

[Edo Odin]

Unless someone else objects, I believe the conclusion we all came to is that all 6 arguments are VALID and this debate is ready to be judged.

Sounds like a reasonable conclusion.

 

[Anub]

Back to the top with you, thread. Jugdes, feel free whenever.

 

[Zexion~]

/sigh looks like im up .. ill re-read and then judge

 

[Prince Charles]

Btw anub, for future tournys i dont think other members of teams participating should judge.

 

[Zexion~]

Btw anub, for future tournys i dont think other members of teams participating should judge.

Problem with me judging my man relax i can assure you that i have no bias feelings towards either team .. But lets begin with the judging

First off id like too note that the fact that Team senko was throwing obnoxious remarks ,insults and complaining sort of weirded the flow of your arguments... there is no reason to be obnoxious in a debate .. nor is there reason to complain of the use of pictures .. Does it effect you in the slightest? no Does it affect YOUR post ? No. Nor do little words in the top corners of their arguments they wanted to label their arguments they have the ability to do so.. The stuff they did does not interfere all that much with how their argument was stated .. the complaining and rude remarks however did interfere in getting your point across ..So not only was your complaining and Obnoxious remarks like "Stop using their japenise words to sound smart lmao" Completely and utterly annoying they were also unfounded, Props to Turnt Up for ignoring them for the most part ..PC got a little pushy

AND PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STICK TO ONE NAME SYSTEM FOR THE PATHS Most of you would be reffering to Human path as Human first then change it to that Realm name no one knows about .. Please just stick to the simplistic form Preta,Deva,Human,Asura Etc.

One last thing before i start the Ind. Judging The fact that people were saying that The Opening post does not get to attack first was sort of wrong. Again im talking to you senko, Part of the job of the opener is to introduce and explain the basics of a strategy that will be used to take down the other team .. which is what proof did, so your complains about that were unfounded as well
Dr.Proof's argument
It was a decent opening but i know you could of done better .. i would of liked to see an introduction on the Pains ABILITIES .. you had a good intro on your stratagem but going into depth on their abilities as any great opener should would of been better, Everyone complaining about how you split up their team without any good reason is totally wrong, its rather easy to split up a team .. They need simply confront who they are separating, giving them no choice but to fight them back. Much Like kakashi did here

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So im going to say they did indeed split up, You are indeed correct that Gakido would negate rotation however you neglected to mention that he could simply use it again ? yes it would be absorbed but he can use it multiple times to buy time for gai to come and remove preta path .. Although the other team did not say anything so ill stay on task now. Your points on how Neji were defeated were rather good. I also completley agree that preta could absorb the gates out of gai, however you neglected to mention how he does it .. Which i think was exploited in Draegods counter. yes you said he could restrain him like he did against Naruto however when up against an opponent lik Gai you need to elaborate how exactly he would come about restraining gai, So your argument against Neji was good .. The one against Gai needed some more depth .. On to your other "altercation" I loved your point on how the froth would wreck Lee's footing and since you made a valid reason on how Neji died in your case Using the chameleon was also a wonder as they had no means too see it.. All in all your post was Good, although it lacked some depth (although you did state you were not going to explain much of the second) which you should have regardless of how easy it is .. The lack of depth in the Gai part was strange seeing as he is the strongest of the four .. and you should of included an intro into the abilities of the paths.

Draegod
I liked how you translated the names for the viewers that was a good thing to do .. however then you proceeded to make a passive aggresive remark about "Fancy intro's" read my first paragraph. I also did not like how you sort of said different things then your teammates would go on ti state.. You said that ten-ten is a non factor (liability you put it) just like Turnt Up was implying however Anub, and Milwake then extensively used her and stated she was more then useless in this fight. As SOTS stated the communicators are useless and were pointless to bring up they really only help with preventing sneak attacks but even then .. We all know Knowing something is coming does not mean you can avoid it, in fact knowing its coming does not really help at all so your argument on Neji being the "Eye" of the team was sort of bad .. It really only lowered his efficiency as he was still fighting his own opponents, You stated neji and Lee are WAAY To fast for the bird and lobster.. and then basically left it at that your whole argument you didnt explain how they would blitz the animal path you simply said they would, And although the use of Air-Palm was creative it does not work simply because it would not clear a path all the way to the Animal path its distance is not very far, and seeing as how Proof said they would be engaging them long range ..I can not picture the air palm doing much .. Sorry that argument just does not stick with me.Also saying at the top that the fancy intros were stupid and then inserting a pointless video that was simply there to "fancy it up" is kind of hypocritical J.S You also split up the original order in which Proof said but SOTRS said it does not matter sooo.. i guess its all good, Your reasoning on how gai would overcome the Asura and Preta was Solid However you forget that If Jiraiya were to Blitz preta he need hold up his hands to absorb the gates chakra which i believe is doable even when confronted with that kind of speed .. As proof said in the opener, Alright ive been waiting to implement this .. Neji's 64 palms are useless against pains .. They are dead bodies that obtain there chakra from Nagato through the receivers implanted all throughout his body, so using a normal 64 palms would do nothing to block of chakra or even damage the internal organs (as they are corpses) really it would reduce it to simple Finger Pokes.
Your post was rather Sub-Par Draegod i was expecting more after that phenomenal one you posted last round

SOTRS
Your post was short..yet sweet, it was a great post i agree with your reasoning that the communicators are rather pointless and i loved your counter to Neji's rotation truly was a beauty and it would no doubt take it down if he resorted to rotation which is more then likely, although you were sort of off on Lee Taking time to take off his weights .. His speed would already be boosted exponentially due to the gates being activated whether they are on or off .. So keeping them on would not hinder much as the gates also increase strength, however i agree that the froth would provide a means for Animal to escape into the air right away .. he would then have to at least come closer to the ground to penetrate neji's Rotation, And i agree cerberus would in fact halt lee from advancing any further if not take him out .. Really them changing Neji for Ten-Ten was the worst thing to do .. as she would of been the one who could at least pressure the animal path , Onto your next altercation (Lee and tenten)
It contradicted Proof's argument on confronting gai head on But ten-tens defeat was solid and true the missiles would no doubt injure her badly enough so she can not fight(Lost limb) if not Kill her , although you too lacked depth in the gai section .. which again is strange but your reasoning on how he loses was more solid then proof's, To sum it up you basically validly took down three of their squad .. And Made a decent argument as to why gai loses.. Really good post

Anub: (you too should look at my first paragraph)
Yes indeed your group does indeed get split up .. (at least for my judging) The opening side states a strategy that involves both sides being active .. with your logic debates would go "Kakashi would then use lightning blade and neji dies" No they state the respective jutsu that they believe the character would use, its your job to counter it by providing other means.. You were trying to say that gai being angry means he attacks first ... when in fact a rule for shinobi is that you are not supposed to let your emotions influence your fighting .. But basically Prince Charles countered your whole first part about Gai attacking first so im not going to linger and your second argument on using the rotation to scatter ninja tools is wrong .. because as you can see here

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most of them would simply ricochet into the ground although your use of Neji's chakra surge was nice and then following it up with a lee's Primary lotus was also good .. 64 palms does not work on the pains .. as i stated above in Draegods judging and really do not feel like repeating so animal path can still summon, again against Human path 64 palms does not work, Alright im just going to sum up the rest of your post because its ****ing late as shit here and im tired . .and i already know who the victor is
Ok so managed to make some good ponits on how they team would go about incapacitating the pains .. (although you strayed from the seperation of the squad ..which happened whether you like it or not and you should of countered it) Your finisher was mainly 64 palms ... Which would not do anything .. but you successfully defeated the Human path using gai's feats.. And i do not think ten-ten has the fan for this fight .. its not her weapon so i doubt its allowed, and im completely disregarding your 8th gate argument its a moveset that has no feats.. its like using Tobirama in debates which everyone scoffs at .. so no that argument does not stand

The next two i will be covering will be shorter for 2 reasons .. 1 they were arguably the best posts by either team 2 its extremely late for me and i want to finish this soon

Milwauke: again Proof was not countering anything he was laying down a fundamental strategy that his team would use .. Nothing more nothing less Your points on gai countering gakido were great .. and i was waiting for someone to make this statement and you delivered and although Sasori did word it wrong ..Team turnt up did nothing wrong and invalid in their opening post .. although it was disappointing in seeing you two succumbed to obnoxious remarks U_U utilizing ten-ten on your last post was a gamble .. it sort of paid off and it sort of did not .. first you are wrong about Pain having no sensing abilities besides shared vision

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so although your smokescreen was brilliant you overlooked a factor .. you were also wrong about Naruka path being killed by a rasengan .. as you clearly see him later (i dont need a scan) and he is the only path who can revive. You focused on using Gai more then your other teammates which is what was needed to take out all the pains ..However..

Prince Charles
Successfully and absolutely made it clear that team guy would indeed split up, You also rendered Senko's Gai being angry argument useless, as he showed that pain indeed does not like to **** around and would attack first, then proceeded to counter Anub's Shurkin+Rotation argument ( which was already found invalid by me anyways) and he exploited anub's discrepancy with Draegods post .. Now the hard part of my job was thinking if Deva's powers indeed did come back .. and thanks to Milwauke's pretty good estimation of amount of time .. and i calculated ( nothing too exact jsut looking at how relatively long some of these jutsu take and how many times you used them ) and i came to the verdict that deva's powers indeed have returned .. so im counting those arguments

Conclusion: .......Turnt Up are the victors i firmly believe that Turnt Up Provided much more plausible strategy's and had much better team work then Senko .. After the first two posts from each team i thought Turnt up had this by a fairly large margin .. Mil.Post brought it closer but PC post basically sealed the deal .. i also think that Mil. going before PC had a negative effect .. because it left all of Deva's powers and abilities un countered .. so again

WINNERS TURNT UP

I know that many are going to argue but this took a lot of time and effort so please dont just spew hate

 

[NewKageism]

I like turnt it up post and all but rules are rules. Base on the rules your late your late. To be the leader of an attack opposition you need to bring the deadly on time. We are men, if your late your post should not count. It is like if I was late at work should I cry to the boss no I come 30 minutes early the next time.

Even though I like PC if his post should not count. I know you spent time on it bro but you even said you let your team look over it... (more time wasted)

 

[Prince Charles]

I like turnt it up post and all but rules are rules. Base on the rules your late your late. To be the leader of an attack opposition you need to bring the deadly on time. We are men, if your late your post should not count. It is like if I was late at work should I cry to the boss no I come 30 minutes early the next time.

Even though I like PC if his post should not count. I know you spent time on it bro but you even said you let your team look over it... (more time wasted)

.. my team never reviewed or looked over my argument Zzz

Do you want me to screenshot my group discussion if you think im not telling the truth?

 

[NewKageism]

The 72 hours is up in like 15 minutes. He risks not being able to get his post in if he were to have waited. Extensions aren't likely to be given, unless it's due to serious emergencies that effect multiple of your team members. Everyone wants to get this tourney done on time.

...

My counter is actually finished right now Zzz I was going to run it through my team first.

Okay that was 815 Kakashi wrote that you post at 832

You could have just posted then... but then you posted later

DrPoof told you ,"to post it in the group."

You then post it around 40's mark.

 

[Prince Charles]

Okay that was 815 Kakashi wrote that you post at 832

You could have just posted then... but then you posted later

DrPoof told you ,"to post it in the group."

You then post it around 40's mark.

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this was the thread i made in my group where i was going to post my final argument but i didnt because it wouldnt let me! so as you can clearly see i didnt review or go over my post with my team

I didnt post it then because they were arguing and their was confusion regarding the time limit and etc so i simply waited for things to cool down!

 

[MilwaukeegHost]

Problem with me judging my man relax i can assure you that i have no bias feelings towards either team .. But lets begin with the judging

First off id like too note that the fact that Team senko was throwing obnoxious remarks ,insults and complaining sort of weirded the flow of your arguments... there is no reason to be obnoxious in a debate .. nor is there reason to complain of the use of pictures .. Does it effect you in the slightest? no Does it affect YOUR post ? No. Nor do little words in the top corners of their arguments they wanted to label their arguments they have the ability to do so.. The stuff they did does not interfere all that much with how their argument was stated .. the complaining and rude remarks however did interfere in getting your point across ..So not only was your complaining and Obnoxious remarks like "Stop using their japenise words to sound smart lmao" Completely and utterly annoying they were also unfounded, Props to Turnt Up for ignoring them for the most part ..PC got a little pushy

AND PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STICK TO ONE NAME SYSTEM FOR THE PATHS Most of you would be reffering to Human path as Human first then change it to that Realm name no one knows about .. Please just stick to the simplistic form Preta,Deva,Human,Asura Etc.

One last thing before i start the Ind. Judging The fact that people were saying that The Opening post does not get to attack first was sort of wrong. Again im talking to you senko, Part of the job of the opener is to introduce and explain the basics of a strategy that will be used to take down the other team .. which is what proof did, so your complains about that were unfounded as well
Dr.Proof's argument
It was a decent opening but i know you could of done better .. i would of liked to see an introduction on the Pains ABILITIES .. you had a good intro on your stratagem but going into depth on their abilities as any great opener should would of been better, Everyone complaining about how you split up their team without any good reason is totally wrong, its rather easy to split up a team .. They need simply confront who they are separating, giving them no choice but to fight them back. Much Like kakashi did here

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So im going to say they did indeed split up, You are indeed correct that Gakido would negate rotation however you neglected to mention that he could simply use it again ? yes it would be absorbed but he can use it multiple times to buy time for gai to come and remove preta path .. Although the other team did not say anything so ill stay on task now. Your points on how Neji were defeated were rather good. I also completley agree that preta could absorb the gates out of gai, however you neglected to mention how he does it .. Which i think was exploited in Draegods counter. yes you said he could restrain him like he did against Naruto however when up against an opponent lik Gai you need to elaborate how exactly he would come about restraining gai, So your argument against Neji was good .. The one against Gai needed some more depth .. On to your other "altercation" I loved your point on how the froth would wreck Lee's footing and since you made a valid reason on how Neji died in your case Using the chameleon was also a wonder as they had no means too see it.. All in all your post was Good, although it lacked some depth (although you did state you were not going to explain much of the second) which you should have regardless of how easy it is .. The lack of depth in the Gai part was strange seeing as he is the strongest of the four .. and you should of included an intro into the abilities of the paths.

Draegod
I liked how you translated the names for the viewers that was a good thing to do .. however then you proceeded to make a passive aggresive remark about "Fancy intro's" read my first paragraph. I also did not like how you sort of said different things then your teammates would go on ti state.. You said that ten-ten is a non factor (liability you put it) just like Turnt Up was implying however Anub, and Milwake then extensively used her and stated she was more then useless in this fight. As SOTS stated the communicators are useless and were pointless to bring up they really only help with preventing sneak attacks but even then .. We all know Knowing something is coming does not mean you can avoid it, in fact knowing its coming does not really help at all so your argument on Neji being the "Eye" of the team was sort of bad .. It really only lowered his efficiency as he was still fighting his own opponents, You stated neji and Lee are WAAY To fast for the bird and lobster.. and then basically left it at that your whole argument you didnt explain how they would blitz the animal path you simply said they would, And although the use of Air-Palm was creative it does not work simply because it would not clear a path all the way to the Animal path its distance is not very far, and seeing as how Proof said they would be engaging them long range ..I can not picture the air palm doing much .. Sorry that argument just does not stick with me.Also saying at the top that the fancy intros were stupid and then inserting a pointless video that was simply there to "fancy it up" is kind of hypocritical J.S You also split up the original order in which Proof said but SOTRS said it does not matter sooo.. i guess its all good, Your reasoning on how gai would overcome the Asura and Preta was Solid However you forget that If Jiraiya were to Blitz preta he need hold up his hands to absorb the gates chakra which i believe is doable even when confronted with that kind of speed .. As proof said in the opener, Alright ive been waiting to implement this .. Neji's 64 palms are useless against pains .. They are dead bodies that obtain there chakra from Nagato through the receivers implanted all throughout his body, so using a normal 64 palms would do nothing to block of chakra or even damage the internal organs (as they are corpses) really it would reduce it to simple Finger Pokes.
Your post was rather Sub-Par Draegod i was expecting more after that phenomenal one you posted last round

SOTRS
Your post was short..yet sweet, it was a great post i agree with your reasoning that the communicators are rather pointless and i loved your counter to Neji's rotation truly was a beauty and it would no doubt take it down if he resorted to rotation which is more then likely, although you were sort of off on Lee Taking time to take off his weights .. His speed would already be boosted exponentially due to the gates being activated whether they are on or off .. So keeping them on would not hinder much as the gates also increase strength, however i agree that the froth would provide a means for Animal to escape into the air right away .. he would then have to at least come closer to the ground to penetrate neji's Rotation, And i agree cerberus would in fact halt lee from advancing any further if not take him out .. Really them changing Neji for Ten-Ten was the worst thing to do .. as she would of been the one who could at least pressure the animal path , Onto your next altercation (Lee and tenten)
It contradicted Proof's argument on confronting gai head on But ten-tens defeat was solid and true the missiles would no doubt injure her badly enough so she can not fight(Lost limb) if not Kill her , although you too lacked depth in the gai section .. which again is strange but your reasoning on how he loses was more solid then proof's, To sum it up you basically validly took down three of their squad .. And Made a decent argument as to why gai loses.. Really good post

Anub: (you too should look at my first paragraph)
Yes indeed your group does indeed get split up .. (at least for my judging) The opening side states a strategy that involves both sides being active .. with your logic debates would go "Kakashi would then use lightning blade and neji dies" No they state the respective jutsu that they believe the character would use, its your job to counter it by providing other means.. You were trying to say that gai being angry means he attacks first ... when in fact a rule for shinobi is that you are not supposed to let your emotions influence your fighting .. But basically Prince Charles countered your whole first part about Gai attacking first so im not going to linger and your second argument on using the rotation to scatter ninja tools is wrong .. because as you can see here

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most of them would simply ricochet into the ground although your use of Neji's chakra surge was nice and then following it up with a lee's Primary lotus was also good .. 64 palms does not work on the pains .. as i stated above in Draegods judging and really do not feel like repeating so animal path can still summon, again against Human path 64 palms does not work, Alright im just going to sum up the rest of your post because its ****ing late as shit here and im tired . .and i already know who the victor is
Ok so managed to make some good ponits on how they team would go about incapacitating the pains .. (although you strayed from the seperation of the squad ..which happened whether you like it or not and you should of countered it) Your finisher was mainly 64 palms ... Which would not do anything .. but you successfully defeated the Human path using gai's feats.. And i do not think ten-ten has the fan for this fight .. its not her weapon so i doubt its allowed, and im completely disregarding your 8th gate argument its a moveset that has no feats.. its like using Tobirama in debates which everyone scoffs at .. so no that argument does not stand

The next two i will be covering will be shorter for 2 reasons .. 1 they were arguably the best posts by either team 2 its extremely late for me and i want to finish this soon

Milwauke: again Proof was not countering anything he was laying down a fundamental strategy that his team would use .. Nothing more nothing less Your points on gai countering gakido were great .. and i was waiting for someone to make this statement and you delivered and although Sasori did word it wrong ..Team turnt up did nothing wrong and invalid in their opening post .. although it was disappointing in seeing you two succumbed to obnoxious remarks U_U utilizing ten-ten on your last post was a gamble .. it sort of paid off and it sort of did not .. first you are wrong about Pain having no sensing abilities besides shared vision

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so although your smokescreen was brilliant you overlooked a factor .. you were also wrong about Naruka path being killed by a rasengan .. as you clearly see him later (i dont need a scan) and he is the only path who can revive. You focused on using Gai more then your other teammates which is what was needed to take out all the pains ..However..

Prince Charles
Successfully and absolutely made it clear that team guy would indeed split up, You also rendered Senko's Gai being angry argument useless, as he showed that pain indeed does not like to **** around and would attack first, then proceeded to counter Anub's Shurkin+Rotation argument ( which was already found invalid by me anyways) and he exploited anub's discrepancy with Draegods post .. Now the hard part of my job was thinking if Deva's powers indeed did come back .. and thanks to Milwauke's pretty good estimation of amount of time .. and i calculated ( nothing too exact jsut looking at how relatively long some of these jutsu take and how many times you used them ) and i came to the verdict that deva's powers indeed have returned .. so im counting those arguments

Conclusion: .......Turnt Up are the victors i firmly believe that Turnt Up Provided much more plausible strategy's and had much better team work then Senko .. After the first two posts from each team i thought Turnt up had this by a fairly large margin .. Mil.Post brought it closer but PC post basically sealed the deal .. i also think that Mil. going before PC had a negative effect .. because it left all of Deva's powers and abilities un countered .. so again

WINNERS TURNT UP

I know that many are going to argue but this took a lot of time and effort so please dont just spew hate

Our remarks about font size and color and stuff was just us talking sh!t lol I didn't know it was looked as "bad" in the judges eyes lol we were just joking.




I'm sorry but our team didnt realize the rules say the team that goes first actually attacks first too! We though it is assumed that both teams start fighting at the same time, not one at a time like a role playing video game like the old Final Fantasys lol. It's understood only one team posts first, but to also say that team also strikes first changes the whole battle strategy. It just makes it seem like one team is idle standing there for however long it takes for them to complete their attack... I though both teams attack eachother at the same time when the match begins. Our bad I guess.



I'm not sure how us being attack automatically means us being split up if we say we will fight together as a team in one spot. Even if they split up and attack us that just means 2 groups of 3 people will attack our group of 4. But saying we will leave our group formation and be split up in different areas was never proved, that's why we argued it.


If we are assuming that the peins do not have to channel the chakra they get through their internal chakra system before using it through their hands (like Naruto has to do when using the fox chakra) we are basically saying we fought 4 VS 6 with no clones, a shinobi who's offensive (gentle fist) is useless against all 6 peins... And one of our members being Ten Ten.

If that's the case we were outmatched before the battle even started! Lol sad

 

[kakashi owns all]

i wont be judgeing becuase if i do people will complain

i would have voted for Senko, i came in thinking they would be killed like road kill but mainly do to
MilwaukeegHost amazing post, i dont think like that anymore

But like i said this does not count for anything.

 

[Anub]

Zexion:

The opening side states a strategy that involves both sides being active .. with your logic debates would go "Kakashi would then use lightning blade and neji dies" No they state the respective jutsu that they believe the character would use, its your job to counter it by providing other means..

No, they are not allowed to decide what our team would do. If I want my team to stick together, they will stick together. Simple as that. If I want them to start dancing, they will start dancing, not split up as the opposition would have us. I haven't mentioned what their team would do because I did not want to turn this into fanfiction. But if I were to say that each of the paths are splitting up and going into a different direction, they would easily counter me by saying "no they wouldn't" and they would have to debate with the split us. So please know the difference. I am not attacking you with these remarks, I am simply pointing out what I believe is wrong.

And i do not think ten-ten has the fan for this fight .. its not her weapon so i doubt its allowed, and im completely disregarding your 8th gate argument its a moveset that has no feats.. its like using Tobirama in debates which everyone scoffs at .. so no that argument does not stand

The match-up says Guy has 8 Gates. That forces YOU and the OPPOSING team to accept that I will speculate on the 8th Gate. There was even an argument about this. You saying that the argument doesn't count means you are changing the match-up now. Also, Ten Ten was not specified that she has DOESN'T have the Fan so it's fair and square to argue for the fan. It's Turnt Up's job to argue the we don't have the fan, not yours. Also, why would you attempt to take the 8th Gate away from us when we are the weaker team?

@ kakashi owns all: You're a judge in this tourney. Please don't sway from judging. If anyone thinks you should be replaced, they will complain further. So if you're first to judging, please judge.

@ Prince Charles: I had the judges be part of the teams because that means they wouldn't be slacking and judge the matches asap if they want the rounds to progress.

EDIT: I edited the post because I originally asked for all the judges to judge this, like we did with Susano'o in the 1st round. However, Varrah is the one who should ask for that and also, I've asked my team to replace me because I will quit NB again (RL stuff taking over). So my post simply won't count.

 

[Anub]

And by the way, just a reminder: if Neji's attacks don't work, TenTen doesn't have the fan, Guy cannot enter the 8th gate...how did you expect us to win? This is a bad match-up who was supposedly made better by the arguments we've brought. But those arguments were immediately dismissed, turning this match-up into a joke. I will have no further stake into this tournament, but the remaining judges please take into account the fact that Senko had to work with a much weaker team and still got a good set or arguments.

 

[Zexion~]

Zexion:



No, they are not allowed to decide what our team would do. If I want my team to stick together, they will stick together. Simple as that. If I want them to start dancing, they will start dancing, not split up as the opposition would have us. I haven't mentioned what their team would do because I did not want to turn this into fanfiction. But if I were to say that each of the paths are splitting up and going into a different direction, they would easily counter me by saying "no they wouldn't" and they would have to debate with the split us. So please know the difference. I am not attacking you with these remarks, I am simply pointing out what I believe is wrong.



The match-up says Guy has 8 Gates. That forces YOU and the OPPOSING team to accept that I will speculate on the 8th Gate. There was even an argument about this. You saying that the argument doesn't count means you are changing the match-up now. Also, Ten Ten was not specified that she has DOESN'T have the Fan so it's fair and square to argue for the fan. It's Turnt Up's job to argue the we don't have the fan, not yours. Also, why would you attempt to take the 8th Gate away from us when we are the weaker team?

@ kakashi owns all: You're a judge in this tourney. Please don't sway from judging. If anyone thinks you should be replaced, they will complain further. So if you're first to judging, please judge.

@ Prince Charles: I had the judges be part of the teams because that means they wouldn't be slacking and judge the matches asap if they want the rounds to progress.

EDIT: I edited the post because I originally asked for all the judges to judge this, like we did with Susano'o in the 1st round. However, Varrah is the one who should ask for that and also, I've asked my team to replace me because I will quit NB again (RL stuff taking over). So my post simply won't count.

And by the way, just a reminder: if Neji's attacks don't work, TenTen doesn't have the fan, Guy cannot enter the 8th gate...how did you expect us to win? This is a bad match-up who was supposedly made better by the arguments we've brought. But those arguments were immediately dismissed, turning this match-up into a joke. I will have no further stake into this tournament, but the remaining judges please take into account the fact that Senko had to work with a much weaker team and still got a good set or arguments.

I kept the fan into consideration a little but i still did not feel you won .. and i did not completley disregard the 8 gates because it has no feats that was only part of the reason.. i felt that you really did not do a good job explaining .. you simply said it destroys the pains .. I Most likely would of counted it had you provided a good hypothesis on what exactly it does.. yours was not good, trust me i took into account you had the weaker team and you did in fact put up good arguments however turnt up put up good ones as well .. AND YES THEY SORT OF ARE ALLOWED TO DECIDE WHAT YOU DO..He makes a strategy that will be put in place .. if you can counter it , great if not thats whats going to happen, and you did not really do a good job in countering the separation

 

[kakashi owns all]

I kept the fan into consideration a little but i still did not feel you won .. and i did not completley disregard the 8 gates because it has no feats that was only part of the reason.. i felt that you really did not do a good job explaining .. you simply said it destroys the pains .. I Most likely would of counted it had you provided a good hypothesis on what exactly it does.. yours was not good, trust me i took into account you had the weaker team and you did in fact put up good arguments however turnt up put up good ones as well .. AND YES THEY SORT OF ARE ALLOWED TO DECIDE WHAT YOU DO..He makes a strategy that will be put in place .. if you can counter it , great if not thats whats going to happen, and you did not really do a good job in countering the separation

What point would they have had to make on how they can beat the 6 paths that would have made you vote for them. Clearly team gai loses. This debate was about swaying a judge more one way then the other.

if you came in thinking pain wins 98/100 times and leave thinking they win 97/100 times then you should vote for team gai if you think pain wins 99/100 times vote for 6 paths of pain


i just personally dont understand how you can leave this thinking team guy has less of a shot then before you came in

 

[Prince Charles]

I understand that the senko purpose was merely to explain how tean guy has chance and they did a good job but what about us? Just because they explained how team guy has a slight chance to win shouldnt rule out the efforts of my team where we explained and presented and countered well.

Thats where your logic fails Kakashi owns all.

 

[Zexion~]

What point would they have had to make on how they can beat the 6 paths that would have made you vote for them. Clearly team gai loses. This debate was about swaying a judge more one way then the other.

if you came in thinking pain wins 98/100 times and leave thinking they win 97/100 times then you should vote for team gai if you think pain wins 99/100 times vote for 6 paths of pain


i just personally dont understand how you can leave this thinking team guy has less of a shot then before you came in

No thats not how it works there was more then just one team here .. Turnt up did a better job at posting arguments that were solid .. and strong,they had good teamwork and countered alot of what Senko had to say .. so i voted for them .. whoever the other judges are should vote soon

 

[Prince Charles]

No thats not how it works there was more then just one team here .. Turnt up did a better job at posting arguments that were solid .. and strong,they had good teamwork and countered alot of what Senko had to say .. so i voted for them .. whoever the other judges are should vote soon

exactly my point.. KOA only takes into consideration on how senko managed to win(if he had voted for em) because they explained it well and they were utterly against the odds.

But he doesnt think of my team efforts.. and how well our posts were.