Nagato is a Monster and id say is the best (outside tobi with renningan now)

[YIN YANG]

dude i have seen their formation and deva is clearly seen and don't forget that itcahi can move around until he sees him it is not that hard i don't think seeing deva pain is hard cause he is always with the others.

look there's six pain's just 3 like the animal,asura,and human path's the deva path does not leave himself open so he'll have the preta and naraka path at his side.Itachi will have his hands full with multiple summoning, strong taijutsu plus lasor beam user,and a soul sucker. Itachi can move around so can the pains those three at once are a handful plus since there eyes are linked he'll know how to dodge itachi's taijutsu plus jutsu. So itachi will need the ms and genjutsu will only slow pain down a little. but since he has amerterasu he can get a target by looking at them.
But remember it's 3 on 1 but itachi has to focus on one target for amerterasu.so 2 pains have an advatage of counter's plus the nakara path can revive the pain that gets hit.
so it leave susanno which makes Itachi seem invincible but susano takes your chakra and the chakra drain is significant so he cant stall but then the deva path can come out plus sice there's an animal path he can just use it to delay itachi and the giant multi headed dog, invisable lizard, giant ox plus other's should do the trick.With too much consumption of chakra itachi would die of overuse and pain's chaka supply is way bigger than Itachi:flaw::flaw:
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[arv993]

look there's six pain's just 3 like the animal,asura,and human path's the deva path does not leave himself open so he'll have the preta and naraka path at his side.Itachi will have his hands full with multiple summoning, strong taijutsu plus lasor beam user,and a soul sucker. Itachi can move around so can the pains those three at once are a handful plus since there eyes are linked he'll know how to dodge itachi's taijutsu plus jutsu. So itachi will need the ms and genjutsu will only slow pain down a little. but since he has amerterasu he can get a target by looking at them.
But remember it's 3 on 1 but itachi has to focus on one target for amerterasu.so 2 pains have an advatage of counter's plus the nakara path can revive the pain that gets hit.
so it leave susanno which makes Itachi seem invincible but susano takes your chakra and the chakra drain is significant so he cant stall but then the deva path can come out plus sice there's an animal path he can just use it to delay itachi and the giant multi headed dog, invisable lizard, giant ox plus other's should do the trick.With too much consumption of chakra itachi would die of overuse and pain's chaka supply is way bigger than Itachi:flaw::flaw:
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When has deva ever been hiding i don't get it you are just manipulating things like hides or something. This is an all out fight i am talking about, so deva has to be there.You are forgetting about sword of totsuka that could seal any of the summoning. Yata mirror can take any attack and is the ultimate defense, even if deva pain is hiding which does not make sense cause in both fights we have seen deva to be out there fighting but anyway the combination of amaterasu and sword of totsuka can take them out. I already explained this in detail in my post which is b4 this where i talk to you, kahdyz and draegod. Stop trying say stuff like he is hiding somehwere else that is just BS as far as we have seen he is close to others and as long as Itachi sees him he is burning with amaterasu. Itachi won't use up all his chakra and i tell you why in the same post that i was talking about earlier.

 

[YIN YANG]

When has deva ever been hiding i don't get it you are just manipulating things like hides or something. This is an all out fight i am talking about, so deva has to be there.You are forgetting about sword of totsuka that could seal any of the summoning. Yata mirror can take any attack and is the ultimate defense, even if deva pain is hiding which does not make sense cause in both fights we have seen deva to be out there fighting but anyway the combination of amaterasu and sword of totsuka can take them out. I already explained this in detail in my post which is b4 this where i talk to you, kahdyz and draegod. Stop trying say stuff like he is hiding somehwere else that is just BS as far as we have seen he is close to others and as long as Itachi sees him he is burning with amaterasu. Itachi won't use up all his chakra and i tell you why in the same post that i was talking about earlier.

Ill show you you're bs right now
haven't you realize that the other pains fight before the deva paath and that he protects it.
look animal path, with the asura with human will make Itachi occupied.
would you really think the deva will go that easily with amerterasu.
did you see the deva path attack jiriaya first no
did you see the deva attack naruto first no.
look the animal path can summon an multi headed do that splits it self plus an invisible camellian, and then a giant ox and there's more.
Itachi will be force to use his ms and amerterasu you need to focus on one target and there 2 other path to just counter you after amerterasu.
I mean you said all itachi had to do was move and get the deva right well did you forget multiple pains can move to. amerterasu well drain chakra but susanoo will is exhaustive on an extended periods also tell me what susanoo will do if it got trap in with planetary devestation tell me how susanoo will escape.
All you have to do is delay itachi for his chakra to run out ok the ms tech take alot of chakra.
you say itachi looks at deva but he doesn't leave that path open and then you say that if the absorber is in front itachi will move without the other pains following him.
Also did you know there is a nakara path which REVIVE pains
plus there eyes are linked so he can dodge itachi moves.
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[Inception]

Its difficult talking you, even simple things like how genjutsu works, you make it up as you go to make itachi have the advantage. Genjutsu is genjutsu regardless how its cast either from your eyes or mouth. All genjutsu attacks the brain's senses. Your argument of pains shared vision and itachi's tuksmo have nothing to do with each other.

The only thing you have proved is that your baised, unfortuatey its shows your big itachi fanboy.

You know it probalby wouldnt be a bad idea for you look into what the rinnegan's powers are, you would see how the fight is stacked heavily in nagato's favor.

Tell you what ill give you a break since you love itachi so much. If nagato only had access to deva pain then itachi could win.

I also like how you compared itachi burning a small forest to nagato destroying konoha. Thats quit funny.

Shinra tensei/cbika tensei are reall larg scale that on the level with tailed beast bombs. Maybe you if think hard enought why madara would want the rinnegan with the bujj chakra's.

Actually, sharing a vision and Itachi's Tsukiyomi does have relations. It's so obvious but I'll explain it to you, again. Pain shares vision with his 6 bodies, his bodies do not have brains of their own. In other words, they are all channeled through Nagato's mind. If one body is to be caught in a genjutsu, all of them would be as seen when Jiraiya used his toad genjutsu. That is Pain's biggest weakness. You may still not understand so I'll explain it a bit further. Itachi needs to use Tsukiyomi ONCE for just a second. Less than a second is 72 hrs in Itachi's Tsukiyomi. It's not like Jiraiya's genjutsu where he has to physically walk up to the bodies and stab them, Tsukiyomi actually causes damage. Kakashi was stuck in Itachi's Tsukiyomi for weeks when it had been only few seconds in the real world.

Not sure how many times I've explained this but DigitalMonster took the page out of manga and explained it in a very easy-to-understand way.

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Nagato said "you got me" and was chatting inside the genjutsu world while his entire body and Pain was paralyzed so that they couldn't move an inch. Hence Nagato was in the genjutsu speaking, because Animal Realm lacks a mind of its own. This is supported by his late attack with Asura: after Jiriaya summoned those swords to stick in the Pain bodies. Coincidentally, the databook says the genjutsu isn't typically lifted until the swords were already in, which means that was when Nagato was set free, and allowed him to attack through Asura.

Inside the genjutsu world, the target is surrounded North, East, South, and West, by giant toads, imprisoning them in a barrier. The four unmoving toads won't lift the complete binding until the user gives the order. All that is left to do is to strike the finishing blow in the real world. →Mt. Myouboku's secret stone swords³ are driven into the targets' hearts like a wedge.The targets are finally released into the realm of the dead.

As you know,Tsukuyomi leaves no opening for an ambush.Nagato's officially dead if he's caught in it.

I'll back up his post and say that if Nagato would not let his 3 bodies be killed off. If he was not caught, he would attack immediately. Jiraiya was obviously oblivious to the fact that Pain had 6 bodies at that point so why wait for the genjutsu to finish and attack? If Nagato was unaffected than why were his bodies unable to move? Please do tell me and don't use "he ran" bullshit.

You seem to think that just because Nagato possesses the Rinnegan, he can walk up to Itachi and beat him. You're not even considering Yata Mirror and Blade of Totsuka with Susano'o which up to this point has been seen as a nearly invincible defense.

Chibaku Tensei comparable to Tailed Beast Bomb? No. More on the level of Kirin, only slower.

Oh btw, I already told you why Madara took the Rinnegan he "gave" to Nagato. In order to become the So6P, he needs the Rinnegan as he does Sharingan. Why don't you go ahead and ask why he took Hashirama's DNA too while you're at it?

And you can call me a fan boy all you want. I already told you that Nagato is capable of outlasting Itachi but there is no way he is getting past Itachi's defense. It seems to me that you're the one being bias; your argument stands as "NAGATO PWNZ ITACHI IMMEDIATELY LOLZ" which in itself is false.

 

[Inception]

Its difficult talking you, even simple things like how genjutsu works, you make it up as you go to make itachi have the advantage. Genjutsu is genjutsu regardless how its cast either from your eyes or mouth. All genjutsu attacks the brain's senses. Your argument of pains shared vision and itachi's tuksmo have nothing to do with each other.

The only thing you have proved is that your baised, unfortuatey its shows your big itachi fanboy.

You know it probalby wouldnt be a bad idea for you look into what the rinnegan's powers are, you would see how the fight is stacked heavily in nagato's favor.

Tell you what ill give you a break since you love itachi so much. If nagato only had access to deva pain then itachi could win.

I also like how you compared itachi burning a small forest to nagato destroying konoha. Thats quit funny.

Shinra tensei/cbika tensei are reall larg scale that on the level with tailed beast bombs. Maybe you if think hard enought why madara would want the rinnegan with the bujj chakra's.

Actually, sharing a vision and Itachi's Tsukiyomi does have relations. It's so obvious but I'll explain it to you, again. Pain shares vision with his 6 bodies, his bodies do not have brains of their own. In other words, they are all channeled through Nagato's mind. If one body is to be caught in a genjutsu, all of them would be as seen when Jiraiya used his toad genjutsu. That is Pain's biggest weakness.

Not sure how many times I've explained this but DigitalMonster took the page out of manga and explained it in a very easy-to-understand way.

How Genjutsu ate Nagato

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Nagato said "you got me" and was chatting inside the genjutsu world while his entire body and Pain was paralyzed so that they couldn't move an inch. Hence Nagato was in the genjutsu speaking, because Animal Realm lacks a mind of its own. This is supported by his late attack with Asura: after Jiriaya summoned those swords to stick in the Pain bodies. Coincidentally, the databook says the genjutsu isn't typically lifted until the swords were already in, which means that was when Nagato was set free, and allowed him to attack through Asura.

Inside the genjutsu world, the target is surrounded North, East, South, and West, by giant toads, imprisoning them in a barrier. The four unmoving toads won't lift the complete binding until the user gives the order. All that is left to do is to strike the finishing blow in the real world. →Mt. Myouboku's secret stone swords³ are driven into the targets' hearts like a wedge.The targets are finally released into the realm of the dead.

As you know,Tsukuyomi leaves no opening for an ambush.Nagato's officially dead if he's caught in it.

You seem to think that just because Nagato possesses the Rinnegan, he can walk up to Itachi and beat him. You're not even considering Yata Mirror and Blade of Totsuka with Susano'o which up to this point has been seen as a nearly invincible defense.

Chibaku Tensei comparable to Tailed Beast Bomb? No. More on the level of Kirin, only slower.

Oh btw, I already told you why Madara took the Rinnegan he "gave" to Nagato. In order to become the So6P, he needs the Rinnegan as he does Sharingan. Why don't you go ahead and ask why he took Hashirama's DNA too while you're at it?

And you can call me a fan boy all you want. I already told you that Nagato is capable of outlasting Itachi but there is no way he is getting past Itachi's defense. It seems to me that you're the one being bias; your argument stands as "NAGATO PWNZ ITACHI IMMEDIATELY LOLZ" which in itself is false.

Edit: I'll add another one of Nagato's weakness. He could not cast the massive Shinra Tensei without putting all of his power into God Realm. I'm positive that it's the same with Chibaku Tensei. He also temporary lost his God Realm powers after massive Shinra Tensei. He will not be able to use 5 of his other bodies for some time if he's to use those jutsus.

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[arv993]

Actually, sharing a vision and Itachi's Tsukiyomi does have relations. It's so obvious but I'll explain it to you, again. Pain shares vision with his 6 bodies, his bodies do not have brains of their own. In other words, they are all channeled through Nagato's mind. If one body is to be caught in a genjutsu, all of them would be as seen when Jiraiya used his toad genjutsu. That is Pain's biggest weakness. You may still not understand so I'll explain it a bit further. Itachi needs to use Tsukiyomi ONCE for just a second. Less than a second is 72 hrs in Itachi's Tsukiyomi. It's not like Jiraiya's genjutsu where he has to physically walk up to the bodies and stab them, Tsukiyomi actually causes damage. Kakashi was stuck in Itachi's Tsukiyomi for weeks when it had been only few seconds in the real world.

Not sure how many times I've explained this but DigitalMonster took the page out of manga and explained it in a very easy-to-understand way.



I'll back up his post and say that if Nagato would not let his 3 bodies be killed off. If he was not caught, he would attack immediately. Jiraiya was obviously oblivious to the fact that Pain had 6 bodies at that point so why wait for the genjutsu to finish and attack? If Nagato was unaffected than why were his bodies unable to move? Please do tell me and don't use "he ran" bullshit.

You seem to think that just because Nagato possesses the Rinnegan, he can walk up to Itachi and beat him. You're not even considering Yata Mirror and Blade of Totsuka with Susano'o which up to this point has been seen as a nearly invincible defense.

Chibaku Tensei comparable to Tailed Beast Bomb? No. More on the level of Kirin, only slower.

Oh btw, I already told you why Madara took the Rinnegan he "gave" to Nagato. In order to become the So6P, he needs the Rinnegan as he does Sharingan. Why don't you go ahead and ask why he took Hashirama's DNA too while you're at it?

And you can call me a fan boy all you want. I already told you that Nagato is capable of outlasting Itachi but there is no way he is getting past Itachi's defense. It seems to me that you're the one being bias; your argument stands as "NAGATO PWNZ ITACHI IMMEDIATELY LOLZ" which in itself is false.

pretty good point i though that impossible for itachi to use tsukiyomi on the bodies but from what you said it might be possible and dude the ppl who say that nagato pwn itachi are so oblivious to the powers of the sword of totsuka , yata mirror and amaterasu combination can also beat pain, I even explained how itachi would do it and all these guys would come up with is that the deva pain is hiding from the battlefield so nagato wins it is so idiotic and shows how much of fanboys they are, read some my posts and ying yang and see what i am having to deal with.

 

[arv993]

Ill show you you're bs right now
haven't you realize that the other pains fight before the deva paath and that he protects it.
look animal path, with the asura with human will make Itachi occupied.
would you really think the deva will go that easily with amerterasu.
did you see the deva path attack jiriaya first no
did you see the deva attack naruto first no.
look the animal path can summon an multi headed do that splits it self plus an invisible camellian, and then a giant ox and there's more.
Itachi will be force to use his ms and amerterasu you need to focus on one target and there 2 other path to just counter you after amerterasu.
I mean you said all itachi had to do was move and get the deva right well did you forget multiple pains can move to. amerterasu well drain chakra but susanoo will is exhaustive on an extended periods also tell me what susanoo will do if it got trap in with planetary devestation tell me how susanoo will escape.
All you have to do is delay itachi for his chakra to run out ok the ms tech take alot of chakra.
you say itachi looks at deva but he doesn't leave that path open and then you say that if the absorber is in front itachi will move without the other pains following him.
Also did you know there is a nakara path which REVIVE pains
plus there eyes are linked so he can dodge itachi moves.
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How stupid are you, you are trying to say that these paths would block itachi's sight of these pains well then all he has to do is kill them first with amaterasu or sword of totsuka which are fast especially amaterasu if he sees him which i don't get how you are saying he doesn't he would burn him to death and still has the sword of totsuka to hit anyone else in his way and if you are saying he can't be seen then he would just kill the others then, either way his sword would seal them or his amaterasu would burn him and can block any of the attacks by just using yata mirror. And others are weaker than deva pain so they could be killed easier and summons don't matter becos no one would can hit him when he has yata mirror and can just seal anyone who does come in his way and he can use amaterasu quite a bit if he needed to becoz of what we have seen b4 in sasuke's fight. As for linked eyes they can't dodge fast moves unless you are suggesting the pains are fast as naruto or A which they are not. And all deva has to be is seen and amaterasu works and not attacked if you have seen in naruto's fight when they are in formation naruto was able to see deva pain so i don't get where you are coming from and nakara path can easily be killed like i said b4 by amaterasu or the sword of totsuka. this is where naruto b4 he starts his fight with pain

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if you see it deva is behind them and unless you think he is invisible as soon as other moves his whole body is visible.

 

[psukkar]

dude he is a master at ninjustsu and idk why you avoiding susano and amaterasu and said to read the post above where i explain how Itachi wins with amaterasu and susano, I am not just saying his regular katon style attacks.

I understand ametersa and i mentioned it,

I dont really count his sassano as ninjutsu, it is buts it more like a spiritual taijutsu lol. Anyway I believe the legendary weapons arent so invincible, we have only seen them once in a fight. The 2nd time we saw kasugai in a fight it was put in its place.

Nagato's attacks in my opinion being so large in scale I dont see how the shield can protect u from gravity attacks like shinra tensei and in particular chika tensei since this was used to restrain the nine tails. There's only one weapon I think that can hurt nagato, and thats the blade tokua. But even that blade can be useless, for example the pain bodeis have no soul to seal, nagato himself doesnt fight on the battle field. So the blade of tokua is useless.

Im actually being reasonable as much as i can, I do like itachi. But he simply has limits to what he can do. Unfortuntly the way nagato fights is really unfair, itachi would need to figure out nagato isnt on the battlefield. And theirs always his revive jutsu. He can make the fight go on for a while if itachi doesnt figure it out and since he doesnt have the chakra to last long enough like jiraiya he has a low chance of figureing it out in time.

Also dont forget the mere fact your forced to use sassano is a disadanvtage the jutsu itself has full of weaknesses, you need a lot chakra to use sassano. Itachi with the shield found a way to use it longer since he doesn have to use chakra to rrepair it from most damage.

 

[arv993]

I understand ametersa and i mentioned it,

I dont really count his sassano as ninjutsu, it is buts it more like a spiritual taijutsu lol. Anyway I believe the legendary weapons arent so invincible, we have only seen them once in a fight. The 2nd time we saw kasugai in a fight it was put in its place.

Nagato's attacks in my opinion being so large in scale I dont see how the shield can protect u from gravity attacks like shinra tensei and in particular chika tensei since this was used to restrain the nine tails. There's only one weapon I think that can hurt nagato, and thats the blade tokua. But even that blade can be useless, for example the pain bodeis have no soul to seal, nagato himself doesnt fight on the battle field. So the blade of tokua is useless.

Im actually being reasonable as much as i can, I do like itachi. But he simply has limits to what he can do. Unfortuntly the way nagato fights is really unfair, itachi would need to figure out nagato isnt on the battlefield. And theirs always his revive jutsu. He can make the fight go on for a while if itachi doesnt figure it out and since he doesnt have the chakra to last long enough like jiraiya he has a low chance of figureing it out in time.

Also dont forget the mere fact your forced to use sassano is a disadanvtage the jutsu itself has full of weaknesses, you need a lot chakra to use sassano. Itachi with the shield found a way to use it longer since he doesn have to use chakra to rrepair it from most damage.

dude regular shinra tensei can't do anything and the ultimate shinra tensei he is so vulnerable to either amaterasu or sword of totsuka and it does work on him because anything that is piereced is sealed in the gourd that susano, it is still a human body so it can be sealed and goes into the gourd. After on the fight is not nearly as hard because the attacks can be easily blocked by yata miroor and has to either use amaterasu, the sword of totsuka to kill the rest and he has enough chakra, dude he made a ground full of black flames(amaterasu), did a lot of genjutsu against sasuke, killed oro who interupted and had susano for a while and that was a time when he was about to die anyway cause his medicines would not keep him alive for much longer, so chakra is not a big problem. And you seem to rational so don't say stuff like deva pain is hiding or can't be seen due to his formation like ying yang says cause that is just outright BS.

 

[psukkar]

Actually, sharing a vision and Itachi's Tsukiyomi does have relations. It's so obvious but I'll explain it to you, again. Pain shares vision with his 6 bodies, his bodies do not have brains of their own. In other words, they are all channeled through Nagato's mind. If one body is to be caught in a genjutsu, all of them would be as seen when Jiraiya used his toad genjutsu. That is Pain's biggest weakness.

Not sure how many times I've explained this but DigitalMonster took the page out of manga and explained it in a very easy-to-understand way.



You seem to think that just because Nagato possesses the Rinnegan, he can walk up to Itachi and beat him. You're not even considering Yata Mirror and Blade of Totsuka with Susano'o which up to this point has been seen as a nearly invincible defense.

Chibaku Tensei comparable to Tailed Beast Bomb? No. More on the level of Kirin, only slower.

Oh btw, I already told you why Madara took the Rinnegan he "gave" to Nagato. In order to become the So6P, he needs the Rinnegan as he does Sharingan. Why don't you go ahead and ask why he took Hashirama's DNA too while you're at it?

And you can call me a fan boy all you want. I already told you that Nagato is capable of outlasting Itachi but there is no way he is getting past Itachi's defense. It seems to me that you're the one being bias; your argument stands as "NAGATO PWNZ ITACHI IMMEDIATELY LOLZ" which in itself is false.

Edit: I'll add another one of Nagato's weakness. He could not cast the massive Shinra Tensei without putting all of his power into God Realm. I'm positive that it's the same with Chibaku Tensei. He also temporary lost his God Realm powers after massive Shinra Tensei. He will not be able to use 5 of his other bodies for some time if he's to use those jutsus.

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tell me does sassano and the sword prtect the ground underneath itachi from being sweaped up? NO.

This what I meant by large scale, it doesnt only affect the target. Something you simply neglect and forget why nagato one of the strongest shinobi we have seen.

And the pain bodeis have no soul to seal, the blade toka is useless unless it attacks nagato himself.

 

[Inception]

I understand ametersa and i mentioned it,

I dont really count his sassano as ninjutsu, it is buts it more like a spiritual taijutsu lol. Anyway I believe the legendary weapons arent so invincible, we have only seen them once in a fight. The 2nd time we saw kasugai in a fight it was put in its place.

Nagato's attacks in my opinion being so large in scale I dont see how the shield can protect u from gravity attacks like shinra tensei and in particular chika tensei since this was used to restrain the nine tails. There's only one weapon I think that can hurt nagato, and thats the blade tokua. But even that blade can be useless, for example the pain bodeis have no soul to seal, nagato himself doesnt fight on the battle field. So the blade of tokua is useless.

Im actually being reasonable as much as i can, I do like itachi. But he simply has limits to what he can do. Unfortuntly the way nagato fights is really unfair, itachi would need to figure out nagato isnt on the battlefield. And theirs always his revive jutsu. He can make the fight go on for a while if itachi doesnt figure it out and since he doesnt have the chakra to last long enough like jiraiya he has a low chance of figureing it out in time.

Also dont forget the mere fact your forced to use sassano is a disadanvtage the jutsu itself has full of weaknesses, you need a lot chakra to use sassano. Itachi with the shield found a way to use it longer since he doesn have to use chakra to rrepair it from most damage.

You have some valid points.

Everything has a weakness. Itachi's Yata Mirror and Blade of Totsuka does too but we have not seen it yet. No one said Kusanagi was a spirit item. It was a special sword that Orochimaru had. It was sealed within Blade of Totsuka by Itachi.

Blade of Totsuka seals the target it pierces. I believe piercing a path of Pain can seal that specific path just as it sealed Kusanagi, Orochimaru and his Hydra.

Kirin is a large scale attack and it's way faster than any of Nagato's attacks. It is also unavoidable. Susano'o was able to defend against that so I'm pretty sure that it can defend against anything Pain throws at Itachi. Even then, a large Shinra Tensei leaves Nagato's other bodies useless. He also has to regain his God realm powers after use. This is possibly true with Chibaku Tensei; he needs to focus all his power into one path in order to do massive attacks as seen from the manga.

Susano'o, while risky, provides extremely good defense and offense, especially with Blade of Totsuka and Yata Mirror.

Like you said though, Itachi's chakra is low compared to Nagato that this gives Nagato a chance at beating Itachi by outlasting him.

 

[arv993]

tell me does sassano and the sword prtect the ground underneath itachi from being sweaped up? NO.

This what I meant by large scale, it doesnt only affect the target. Something you simply neglect and forget why nagato one of the strongest shinobi we have seen.

And the pain bodeis have no soul to seal, the blade toka is useless unless it attacks nagato himself.

it seals the physical body into a gourd go read about it, it seals any person it pierces not just their souls if that was the case oro would not be sealed inside the sword as well just his soul. And i said that when he uses ultimate shinra tensei he is vulnerable to attacks from totsuka sword and amaterasu.

 

[Inception]

tell me does sassano and the sword prtect the ground underneath itachi from being sweaped up? NO.

This what I meant by large scale, it doesnt only affect the target. Something you simply neglect and forget why nagato one of the strongest shinobi we have seen.

And the pain bodeis have no soul to seal, the blade toka is useless unless it attacks nagato himself.

Tell me where it says that Susano'o doesn't protect the ground underneath the user? As far as we know, it protects the user from anything thrown at him, whether it's from above or below. Kirin destroyed EVERYTHING at the Uchiha hideout yet Itachi was alive. Kirin actually destroyed the ground underneath Itachi too so there goes your theory .

Nagato can't sweep Itachi up for two reasons; 1. Yata Mirror can change it's property to repel any attacks. Perhaps it can change it's nature property to repel gravitational pulls? 2. Nagato is basically open for attacks when he casts Chibaku Tensei. There's more than one opening here to seal the him with Blade of Totsuka or Amaterasu him. I already mentioned that when Nagato uses his massive attacks, he has to focus all his power into one body so don't bother saying that another body will save him. Even them, that body too can sealed easily as Nagato is basically standing still at this moment.

And Blade of Totsuka seals the target it pierces and seals the soul in an eternal genjutsu. It sealed Kusanagi sword too, are you honestly suggesting that Kusanagi sword has a soul?

No doubt Nagato is one of the strongests.

 

[ReLax -]

Tell me where it says that Susano'o doesn't protect the ground underneath the user? As far as we know, it protects the user from anything thrown at him, whether it's from above or below. Kirin destroyed EVERYTHING at the Uchiha hideout yet Itachi was alive. Kirin actually destroyed the ground underneath Itachi too so there goes your theory .

Nagato can't sweep Itachi up for two reasons; 1. Yata Mirror can change it's property to repel any attacks. Perhaps it can change it's nature property to repel gravitational pulls? 2. Nagato is basically open for attacks when he casts Chibaku Tensei. There's more than one opening here to seal the him with Blade of Totsuka or Amaterasu him. I already mentioned that when Nagato uses his massive attacks, he has to focus all his power into one body so don't bother saying that another body will save him. Even them, that body too can sealed easily as Nagato is basically standing still at this moment.

And Blade of Totsuka seals the target it pierces and seals the soul in an eternal genjutsu. It sealed Kusanagi sword too, are you honestly suggesting that Kusanagi sword has a soul?

No doubt Nagato is one of the strongests.

Also I think Chibaku Tensei or Shinra Tensei (at least one of these) shorten Nagato's life span. In other words Nagato won't be spamming these and would need time to prepare these attacks which Itachi willl not give the time as Nagato would be invulnerable.

 

[psukkar]

Tell me where it says that Susano'o doesn't protect the ground underneath the user? As far as we know, it protects the user from anything thrown at him, whether it's from above or below. Kirin destroyed EVERYTHING at the Uchiha hideout yet Itachi was alive. Kirin actually destroyed the ground underneath Itachi too so there goes your theory .

Nagato can't sweep Itachi up for two reasons; 1. Yata Mirror can change it's property to repel any attacks. Perhaps it can change it's nature property to repel gravitational pulls? 2. Nagato is basically open for attacks when he casts Chibaku Tensei. There's more than one opening here to seal the him with Blade of Totsuka or Amaterasu him. I already mentioned that when Nagato uses his massive attacks, he has to focus all his power into one body so don't bother saying that another body will save him. Even them, that body too can sealed easily as Nagato is basically standing still at this moment.

And Blade of Totsuka seals the target it pierces and seals the soul in an eternal genjutsu. It sealed Kusanagi sword too, are you honestly suggesting that Kusanagi sword has a soul?

No doubt Nagato is one of the strongests.

well nothing is set in stone, the best we can do in these hypothetical fights is guess based from we have seen.

Sassano has shown to be vulnearble if u try to disable its movements, chika tensei is probally the best jutsu to that.

Nice to see u have calmed down,

see its nice to talk without insults, I have suspision that we may actually see these weapons and their true limits soon with sasuke. Id imagaine sasuke would take over these weapons. If we see how naruto can deal with them, that can tell us more about this match up.

Until peace out.

 

[YIN YANG]

How stupid are you, you are trying to say that these paths would block itachi's sight of these pains well then all he has to do is kill them first with amaterasu or sword of totsuka which are fast especially amaterasu if he sees him which i don't get how you are saying he doesn't he would burn him to death and still has the sword of totsuka to hit anyone else in his way and if you are saying he can't be seen then he would just kill the others then, either way his sword would seal them or his amaterasu would burn him and can block any of the attacks by just using yata mirror. And others are weaker than deva pain so they could be killed easier and summons don't matter becos no one would can hit him when he has yata mirror and can just seal anyone who does come in his way and he can use amaterasu quite a bit if he needed to becoz of what we have seen b4 in sasuke's fight. As for linked eyes they can't dodge fast moves unless you are suggesting the pains are fast as naruto or A which they are not. And all deva has to be is seen and amaterasu works and not attacked if you have seen in naruto's fight when they are in formation naruto was able to see deva pain so i don't get where you are coming from and nakara path can easily be killed like i said b4 by amaterasu or the sword of totsuka. this is where naruto b4 he starts his fight with pain

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if you see it deva is behind them and unless you think he is invisible as soon as other moves his whole body is visible.

You think the other pains are easy to kill but there not.I think one that's stupid is the one saying needs amerterasu to focus on one thing when there is six bodies and you keep sayin the deva alone and vulenrable he doesn't leave it vulenrable he plans things and do you think that the asura path is easy to kill he has good strength and then the animal with multiple summons and a human path for addtion a 3 on 1. Im telling you amerterasu you need to focus one target which leaves itachi vulenrable to 2 pains.Ive said to you the deva with the reviving pain and absorber will be at his side yet you explain what he can do all you say is amerterasu and im saying that they have formation plus the deva is pretty fast and they have linked eyes so the absorbing one will see it comin and protect the deva ok.He doesn't really need speed because there already in formation and he lets the other pains go infront of the deva path in scenerios like this.Amerterasu is a drain itself then you say susanno well like i said in the last post the summoning are just distraction for itachi to waste chakra you say susanoo fast he just needs planetary devestation and he needs to focus but the other path may be not active but it doesn't matter he could move while doing it and it does'nt take long.That jutsu just confine and traps thimgs so he'll be able to get his susanno.Itachi has a good amount of chakra but it's not compared to pains amount of chakra and the ms takes a toll of chakra.
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[Inception]

well nothing is set in stone, the best we can do in these hypothetical fights is guess based from we have seen.

Sassano has shown to be vulnearble if u try to disable its movements, chika tensei is probally the best jutsu to that.

Nice to see u have calmed down,

see its nice to talk without insults, I have suspision that we may actually see these weapons and their true limits soon with sasuke. Id imagaine sasuke would take over these weapons. If we see how naruto can deal with them, that can tell us more about this match up.

Until peace out.

Hopefully Sasuke doesn't get the Spirit Items. EMS is enough of a power-up. Besides, Yata Mirror and Totsuka Blade had nothing to do with Itachi's eyes or his Mangekyou Sharingan. They're spiritual items that do not exist in physical form. It makes more sense if they are attached to Itachi's soul or body spiritually than to his eyes.

But yeah, it would be good if Kishimoto shows us those items again, possibly during the current battle.

 

[arv993]

You think the other pains are easy to kill but there not.I think one that's stupid is the one saying needs amerterasu to focus on one thing when there is six bodies and you keep sayin the deva alone and vulenrable he doesn't leave it vulenrable he plans things and do you think that the asura path is easy to kill he has good strength and then the animal with multiple summons and a human path for addtion a 3 on 1. Im telling you amerterasu you need to focus one target which leaves itachi vulenrable to 2 pains.Ive said to you the deva with the reviving pain and absorber will be at his side yet you explain what he can do all you say is amerterasu and im saying that they have formation plus the deva is pretty fast and they have linked eyes so the absorbing one will see it comin and protect the deva ok.He doesn't really need speed because there already in formation and he lets the other pains go infront of the deva path in scenerios like this.Amerterasu is a drain itself then you say susanno well like i said in the last post the summoning are just distraction for itachi to waste chakra you say susanoo fast he just needs planetary devestation and he needs to focus but the other path may be not active but it doesn't matter he could move while doing it and it does'nt take long.That jutsu just confine and traps thimgs so he'll be able to get his susanno.Itachi has a good amount of chakra but it's not compared to pains amount of chakra and the ms takes a toll of chakra.
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Amaterasu does not make you vulnerable and i told you he has susano's yata mirror to protect him from any attacks so he can't be stopped by summons. And like i said he had to see deva pain i even showed you their formation when they fought naruto and dude he is clearly visible and if you say that he can be attacked like i said he has complete defense with yata mirror. And amaterasu is too fast and i told you the absorber is not fast enough to come and save deva pain. Pain is not that fast he is not as fast as A or naruto dodge itachi's amaterasu. He has enough chakra like i said b4 he can use a lot of genjutsu, burn the whole ground with amaterasu, use regular ninjustsu and even use susano for a while so he definitely has enough chakra and this was during sasukes fight and that was when he was sick and dying from medicine so stop using the chakra argument. And itachi can kill others and itachi is smart(databook says he is 5) so he as soon as he sees the pain trying to revive the deva body(he takes time) he would would attack it with sword of totsuka cause that guy is not fast especially with his demon statute but he is protected by others, either way sword of totsuka can seal him easily becos its fast and see it is out in the open

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and if other pains come in the way then they too would be sealed with reviving path and don't tell me they are fast and can dodge cause they are not,sage mode naruto was about the same speed so they can't dodge amaterasu or sword of totsuka and pain can't use chibaku tensei fast and if he tries to itachi can use amaterasu, if he tries to use also hi ultimate shinra tensei he is vulnerable to other attacks and just to let you kno that if deva pain falls the others are not as formidable, for eaxmple naruto took out the other 5 with difficulty and only had extreme difficulty with deva pain and if he is taken out in beggining i don't think it is extremely hard for Itachi to win this and before you say anything like they have formation i am basing this in an all out fight like how it was with naruto, and if it is the same fight as it was with naruto i can see itachi winning with high difficulty becos of the fact that susano and amaterasu still uses a lot of chakra but he can pull it off becos he has used more chakra before but i admit that he would be in a bad state. I am not saying Nagato won't win at all but it seems Itachi's combination of amaterasu and susano is good enough to pull out a win.

 

[bn146]

true, nagato is better now than with the six paths, but i don't see him as being ranked above naruto or minato. how exactly do u propose he can defeat this current naruto???

and minato the seventh ninja of all time??? come on, am i the only one who totally doesn't agree with that? at least he shd be in top five

 

[ackeem1992]

Amaterasu does not make you vulnerable and i told you he has susano's yata mirror to protect him from any attacks so he can't be stopped by summons. And like i said he had to see deva pain i even showed you their formation when they fought naruto and dude he is clearly visible and if you say that he can be attacked like i said he has complete defense with yata mirror. And amaterasu is too fast and i told you the absorber is not fast enough to come and save deva pain. Pain is not that fast he is not as fast as A or naruto dodge itachi's amaterasu. He has enough chakra like i said b4 he can use a lot of genjutsu, burn the whole ground with amaterasu, use regular ninjustsu and even use susano for a while so he definitely has enough chakra and this was during sasukes fight and that was when he was sick and dying from medicine so stop using the chakra argument. And itachi can kill others and itachi is smart(databook says he is 5) so he as soon as he sees the pain trying to revive the deva body(he takes time) he would would attack it with sword of totsuka cause that guy is not fast especially with his demon statute but he is protected by others, either way sword of totsuka can seal him easily becos its fast and see it is out in the open

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and if other pains come in the way then they too would be sealed with reviving path and don't tell me they are fast and can dodge cause they are not,sage mode naruto was about the same speed so they can't dodge amaterasu or sword of totsuka and pain can't use chibaku tensei fast and if he tries to itachi can use amaterasu, if he tries to use also hi ultimate shinra tensei he is vulnerable to other attacks and just to let you kno that if deva pain falls the others are not as formidable, for eaxmple naruto took out the other 5 with difficulty and only had extreme difficulty with deva pain and if he is taken out in beggining i don't think it is extremely hard for Itachi to win this and before you say anything like they have formation i am basing this in an all out fight like how it was with naruto, and if it is the same fight as it was with naruto i can see itachi winning with high difficulty becos of the fact that susano and amaterasu still uses a lot of chakra but he can pull it off becos he has used more chakra before but i admit that he would be in a bad state. I am not saying Nagato won't win at all but it seems Itachi's combination of amaterasu and susano is good enough to pull out a win.

against an advisory like nagato (who has a high chakra stamina) susano'o would be a last resort technique, being it cannot be sustained for long and after its released the user pays an horrible price (pain on a cellular, and chakra exhaustion). so its not like he's going to be able to use yata mirror throughout the whole fight or as he please to defend himself.

the nagato vs naruto fight is invalid in this argument being nagato's primary mission was to capture naruto to extract kyubi thus he could not could use full force. plus nagato had already burnt chakra flattening kohana to dust and raping most of they're chunin's and jounins.