Nagato is a Monster and id say is the best (outside tobi with renningan now)

[Inception]

What you said about pain not being able to get through itachi defense is not true pain shinra tensai should be able to do the job.:flaw:

Through Yata Mirror? Kk.

 

[khaydz5]

lol @ your last sentence, I'm not upset. Just find it hilarious how much bullshit you make up. Let me show you.



Nagato attacked AFTER Jiraiya ended the genjutsu and destroyed 3 bodies. Why? Because for the remainder of the genjutsu, Nagato was trapped. Do you not see the quote "you got me." in the manga? Furthermore, if Nagato was not stuck, he would not let 3 of his bodies get destroyed. Who's looking stupid now?



Can't believe you're this ignorant. I don't even know why you're mentioning the relations between Susano'o and the items because everyone knows that there is none. Black Zetsu KNEW what the legendary items were. Are you not able to read? The bit about the shield was just logic?? Here, I'll provide source. Please read carefully; Zetsu seems to even know that Oro was searching for it ALL HIS LIFE. Given that Zetsu did not have prior knowledge of Susano'o, he however knew what the items were exactly and it was no general knowledge, he knew the items up to the names. Stfu please.

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Really? Sharingan techniques are small scale and speed is important? Last I checked, Amaterasu by sick Itachi burned the entire forest around the Uchiha base, so much for a small scale attack. Since when does Susano'o require speed? It pretty much acts like a stronger version of a summoned creature. It's fast, has almost invincible defense and great attack power. Shinra Tensei can overpower Susano'o... Well even if it did, there's no way it's getting past Yata Mirror. You do know that there's a time limit in which Nagato can cast Shinra/ Chibaku Tensei, right? He can't keep spamming it on massive scale or even keep it up continously. Also, since you're a fan, you obviously know how slow Chibaku Tensei is. It requires God Realm to stand still while being cast. Oh and let's not forget about how all of the paths are "disabled" after he casts the massive Shinra Tensei not to mention his God Realm powers.




KIRIN IS FASTER THAN CHIBAKU TENSEI AND PROBABLY CAUSES MORE DAMAGE AS IT HITS. IT IS UNAVOIDABLE. People hype Chibaku Tensei too much. Yes Chibaku Tensei is a very powerful technique but as much as I hate Sasuke, Kirin still is the better jutsu in damage and speed. It's unavoidable.

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Madara used Nagato as a pawn. He has said that he is the one who gave Nagato his Rinnegan which can be true in some way. Madara was AFRAID of Itachi. Find the chapter where Zetsu says something along the lines of "now that Itachi's out of your way...". Stop using Madara as your defense, it's not working. Madara also possesses the Sharingan originally; he has been surviving and leading Akatsuki, not to mention ordering Nagato around like a lap dog, with the "not so powerful" Sharingan. If I had access to both the Sharingan and Rinnegan in a war, I would use both, that's why he took the Rinnegan. The Rinnegan is also one of the paths along with Sharingan. Please use logic.

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- Madara's fear of Itachi. There's another chapter where he's talking with Zetsu about Itachi. Find it yourself.



I remembered what Zetsu said. Black Zetsu never said anything about Susano'o, yes, but he mentioned every detail about the 2 items.

I feel as if responding to you is a waste of time.

I already told you, Nagato cannot get through Itachi's defense. He is also weak vs. genjutsu especially due to shared vision. Nagato, however, is able to outlast Itachi because of his massive chakra unless he's killed by Tsukiyomi or sealed by Totsuka Blade.

Because I am unable to communicate with others properly I shall not communicate at all in this thread

 

[YIN YANG]

Through Yata Mirror? Kk.

nvm

 

[DigitalMonster]

The way you guys think that being invisible means that Muu is immune to everything is just very simple-minded.

But anyways as a respond to Drageod's post :Actually,all genjutsus work in the same way,it binds your movement,paralyze your mind.Sharingan genjutsu are the deadliest;Orochimaru tracked it for years to 'gain' that power.
Doesn't matter if Itachi can't look at Muu,Muu looks at him.Itachi's genjutsus work in many ways;from fingers to eye contact.Muu

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before he made himself invisible.Itachi having the know-how-to do this makes him victorious.

How Genjutsu ate Nagato

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Nagato said "you got me" and was chatting inside the genjutsu world while his entire body and Pain was paralyzed so that they couldn't move an inch. Hence Nagato was in the genjutsu speaking, because Animal Realm lacks a mind of its own. This is supported by his late attack with Asura: after Jiriaya summoned those swords to stick in the Pain bodies. Coincidentally, the databook says the genjutsu isn't typically lifted until the swords were already in, which means that was when Nagato was set free, and allowed him to attack through Asura.

Inside the genjutsu world, the target is surrounded North, East, South, and West, by giant toads, imprisoning them in a barrier. The four unmoving toads won't lift the complete binding until the user gives the order. All that is left to do is to strike the finishing blow in the real world. →Mt. Myouboku's secret stone swords³ are driven into the targets' hearts like a wedge.The targets are finally released into the realm of the dead.

As you know,Tsukuyomi leaves no opening for an ambush.Nagato's officially dead if he's caught in it.

 

[ninjastormgenaration33]

Itachi Uchiha would pwn Nagato

 

[veggetta13]

i GOT A GENJUSTSU ARGUMENT....

tHING IS, AS WE WERE TAUGHT BY jIRAIYA. bY ACHIEVING MASTER OF CHAKRA A FIGHTER WOULD BE ABLE TO COUNTER GENJUTSU.

Don´t you think it´s simple minded to think just cuz we haven´t seen it doesn´t mean one hell of a peaceful mind would be able to just stop it, I sense somehow one bunch of a landslides on using genjustsu.

I mean, you do need, to put your mind into your target trip them into a very awful way n world... what about multiple targets? Doesn´t the user´smind gets all ****ed up while using the jutsu?

I´d liek to emphasize that controlling fully the energy within your body as Bee does just messes around anyone thinking of puppeting you

 

[arv993]

look he wont be able to get the deva path first because like i said they fight in formation and the absorber will go first and he wont be the only one fighting itachi he uses the other paths like the animal path which can do multiple summons.Thenyou have the asura path (mechanical body) that has good strength. Im sure these 3 path's are making Itachi busy But lets not forget about the nakara path that can just summon the outer path which can revive the pains. itachi will have his hands full just fighten them because their eyes are linked this give the deva path enouogh time to just use his powers on Itahi and kill him with a rod.Even if itachi activate his mangekyo sharingan he'll losse to the big attacksofthe deva path. Naruto wasn't trying to kill itachi because they were still talking so he wasn't using his full strength so you can't say itachi taijutsu level is somewhere to naruto.:flaw:
would he really believe the deva path to get knocked out first:flaw::flaw:
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i hear you on the burning whole ground thing, but pain destoyed a whole village solo with shinra tensei, and yet i/we didnt bring that up because it is irrelevant..

and like ol dude said, they will be in formation, and lets not forget that itachi's taijutsu is no where near sage jman and sage naruto with the added senjutsu behind it! dont get me wrong itachi s powerful, but 6 paths then nagato after that is too much for any ninja! not to mention the fact that nagato with all 6 paths in one body if he grabs you-you are as good as dead! (he can suck your soul!)

you sir, are what you called the ultimate fanboy.

fuk off if you think one amaterasu will be enough to stop any paths of pain. 1st off draegod is right that amaterasu burns slowly and the target is not instantly incinerated. if amaterasu caught a living body, it can immobilize them with pain.. but pain's body do not feel anything, even if you burn them, they will feel nothing, any moment hungry ghost can just suck that up or god realm can even shinra tensei that away.

you're forgetting about those huge summons which itachi don't have! how can he taijutsu those monster? explain!

you're also forgetting the one that can revive the bodies of pain, that is good at taijutsu also...

how about the pain that can shoot missles and lazors.. how can itachi counter that?

the pain that can suck your soul out if got caught..

all of them will come to itachi at the same time, don't EVER think that they will attack one at a time, that will make you smell like shit!

khadz you need to calm down because this just a manga and the fact that you are cursing me off for having a different opinion on fight between to close top tier ninjas makes yourself the fanboy. Ok listen like i said b4 taijustu is one of his options he has a 4.5 out of 5 in the databook and ninjustsu, speed and genjustsu he has a 5 so stop saying that he can't take on regular pains with taijustsu and as for the summonings did you see deva pain getting hit by the frogs, no he simply dodged it and itachi is faster than him because deva pain and sage naruto were prett much qual and naruto is not as fast as sasuke or itachi. If you don't trust the databook then i will tell you how he wins basd on the events in the manga. Ok like i said b4 amaterasu is fast enough to hit deva and can hit is whole body because itachi made the whole ground full of black fires and can do that to one body and cannot be absorbed by the absorber mid way because neither of the pains are fast as A or naruto and yes you guys are right it is slow at burning but Itachi would use susano to block any incoming attacks from others because of yata mirror, and when the absorber would go and try to absorb his amaterasu or anything from deva pain then all itachi has to so is hit them with the sword of totusuka b4 the absorber gets there or when he is trying to absorb deva's flames he can hit both of them becos they are vulnerable and both of them would be sealed forever and it is an attack that is also fast becos if you go read/watch when itachi uses it on oro he does it in a sec and any one else who interferes would pretty much go die with them cause that is its power here is a link

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so go read about sword of totsuka and yata mirror if you don't kno what it does. So dude no matter what deva is out so how are the others gonna last against amaterasu which he only used once and also susano and none of the other pains are neither fast nor powerful enough to break the yata mirror with which itachi was claimed by zetsu as invincible when he has it. So dude the others don't satnd a chance amaterasu can get them or sword of totsuka and quiite frankly that spells itachi's win. and don't say that he does not have enough chakra becos during his fight with sasuke he used amaterasu so much that the whole ground was in flames, use normal ninjustu, used genjustsu against sasuke a lot an not to mention that he used susano for quite a while and even defeated oro in it and that was when his medicines were not enough to stop him from dying( he wasbasically near his death at that point in the manga so his stamina was obviously weak) , and these are all facts a and i'm not making up stuff so go read the link about everything so you can have better idea about susano. Nagato is strong but dude his amaterasu and sword is one of the most strongest attacks in the series. And as for the formation it does not matter beacuse itachi only has to see deva pain to use amaterasu

 

[veggetta13]

Itachi Uchiha would pwn Nagato

Nagato or Pain as you like would rape the living helll out of uchiha Itachi, for sure--...he`s just the beszzzzt..hehe:flaw:

 

[lubricati0n]

Nope naruto will do the job.

 

[psukkar]

lol @ your last sentence, I'm not upset. Just find it hilarious how much bullshit you make up. Let me show you.



Nagato attacked AFTER Jiraiya ended the genjutsu and destroyed 3 bodies. Why? Because for the remainder of the genjutsu, Nagato was trapped. Do you not see the quote "you got me." in the manga? Furthermore, if Nagato was not stuck, he would not let 3 of his bodies get destroyed. Who's looking stupid now?



Can't believe you're this ignorant. I don't even know why you're mentioning the relations between Susano'o and the items because everyone knows that there is none. Black Zetsu KNEW what the legendary items were. Are you not able to read? The bit about the shield was just logic?? Here, I'll provide source. Please read carefully; Zetsu seems to even know that Oro was searching for it ALL HIS LIFE. Given that Zetsu did not have prior knowledge of Susano'o, he however knew what the items were exactly and it was no general knowledge, he knew the items up to the names. Stfu please.

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Really? Sharingan techniques are small scale and speed is important? Last I checked, Amaterasu by sick Itachi burned the entire forest around the Uchiha base, so much for a small scale attack. Since when does Susano'o require speed? It pretty much acts like a stronger version of a summoned creature. It's fast, has almost invincible defense and great attack power. Shinra Tensei can overpower Susano'o... Well even if it did, there's no way it's getting past Yata Mirror. You do know that there's a time limit in which Nagato can cast Shinra/ Chibaku Tensei, right? He can't keep spamming it on massive scale or even keep it up continously. Also, since you're a fan, you obviously know how slow Chibaku Tensei is. It requires God Realm to stand still while being cast. Oh and let's not forget about how all of the paths are "disabled" after he casts the massive Shinra Tensei not to mention his God Realm powers.




KIRIN IS FASTER THAN CHIBAKU TENSEI AND PROBABLY CAUSES MORE DAMAGE AS IT HITS. IT IS UNAVOIDABLE. People hype Chibaku Tensei too much. Yes Chibaku Tensei is a very powerful technique but as much as I hate Sasuke, Kirin still is the better jutsu in damage and speed. It's unavoidable.

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Madara used Nagato as a pawn. He has said that he is the one who gave Nagato his Rinnegan which can be true in some way. Madara was AFRAID of Itachi. Find the chapter where Zetsu says something along the lines of "now that Itachi's out of your way...". Stop using Madara as your defense, it's not working. Madara also possesses the Sharingan originally; he has been surviving and leading Akatsuki, not to mention ordering Nagato around like a lap dog, with the "not so powerful" Sharingan. If I had access to both the Sharingan and Rinnegan in a war, I would use both, that's why he took the Rinnegan. The Rinnegan is also one of the paths along with Sharingan. Please use logic.

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- Madara's fear of Itachi. There's another chapter where he's talking with Zetsu about Itachi. Find it yourself.



I remembered what Zetsu said. Black Zetsu never said anything about Susano'o, yes, but he mentioned every detail about the 2 items.

I feel as if responding to you is a waste of time.

I already told you, Nagato cannot get through Itachi's defense. He is also weak vs. genjutsu especially due to shared vision. Nagato, however, is able to outlast Itachi because of his massive chakra unless he's killed by Tsukiyomi or sealed by Totsuka Blade.

Its difficult talking you, even simple things like how genjutsu works, you make it up as you go to make itachi have the advantage. Genjutsu is genjutsu regardless how its cast either from your eyes or mouth. All genjutsu attacks the brain's senses. Your argument of pains shared vision and itachi's tuksmo have nothing to do with each other.

The only thing you have proved is that your baised, unfortuatey its shows your big itachi fanboy.

You know it probalby wouldnt be a bad idea for you look into what the rinnegan's powers are, you would see how the fight is stacked heavily in nagato's favor.

Tell you what ill give you a break since you love itachi so much. If nagato only had access to deva pain then itachi could win.

I also like how you compared itachi burning a small forest to nagato destroying konoha. Thats quit funny.

Shinra tensei/cbika tensei are reall larg scale that on the level with tailed beast bombs. Maybe you if think hard enought why madara would want the rinnegan with the bujj chakra's.

 

[arv993]

Its difficult talking you, even simple things like how genjutsu works, you make it up as you go to make itachi have the advantage. Genjutsu is genjutsu regardless how its cast either from your eyes or mouth. All genjutsu attacks the brain's senses. Your argument of pains shared vision and itachi's tuksmo have nothing to do with each other.

The only thing you have proved is that your baised, unfortuatey its shows your big itachi fanboy.

You know it probalby wouldnt be a bad idea for you look into what the rinnegan's powers are, you would see how the fight is stacked heavily in nagato's favor.

Tell you what ill give you a break since you love itachi so much. If nagato only had access to deva pain then itachi could win.

I also like how you compared itachi burning a small forest to nagato destroying konoha. Thats quit funny.

Shinra tensei/cbika tensei are reall larg scale that on the level with tailed beast bombs. Maybe you if think hard enought why madara would want the rinnegan with the bujj chakra's.

psukar you are right about that genjustu won't work on the paths of pain but you eed to scknowledge his ninjutsu powers read my previous post and tell me what you think about it because you seem to be more balanced than some ppl who just get mad curse others off for having different opinions.

 

[DigitalMonster]

No silly;genjutsus strike Nagato,not the paths.
Nagato isn't at all immune to genjutsu .

 

[Mark Uzumaki]

As far as I can see it , the only thing that some of you say that Itachi has over Nagato is genjutsu,but I want to say , Sasuke beat the Tsukyomi just using a normal Sharingan . He didn't even need a Mangekyo Sharingan , so a Sharingan broke the most powerful genjutsu . What do you think about the strongest genjutsu of them all vs the strongest eye of them all ( Rinnegan ) ?

N.B Nagato leaving 3 paths to die was a strategy , so that he can make a sneaky attack on Jiraiya cutting his arm in the process , & this move was the turning point against Jiraiya in the battle

 

[David1996]

Why is Naruto and Sasuke so low on the list both of them can beat half the people on that list

Your kidding right ?

 

[YIN YANG]

As far as I can see it , the only thing that some of you say that Itachi has over Nagato is genjutsu,but I want to say , Sasuke beat the Tsukyomi just using a normal Sharingan . He didn't even need a Mangekyo Sharingan , so a Sharingan broke the most powerful genjutsu . What do you think about the strongest genjutsu of them all vs the strongest eye of them all ( Rinnegan ) ?

N.B Nagato leaving 3 paths to die was a strategy , so that he can make a sneaky attack on Jiraiya cutting his arm in the process , & this move was the turning point against Jiraiya in the battle

I mean pain wasn't trained in genjutsu so idk if he can get out of one.

 

[YIN YANG]

. And as for the formation it does not matter beacuse itachi only has to see deva pain to use amaterasu

That's the thing he wont be able to see him because the deva path is in the back and he'll just use the other pains to keep him occupied and try to exploid susanoo.Nagato chakra is way bigger than itachi own chakra.

 

[psukkar]

psukar you are right about that genjustu won't work on the paths of pain but you eed to scknowledge his ninjutsu powers read my previous post and tell me what you think about it because you seem to be more balanced than some ppl who just get mad curse others off for having different opinions.

Which of itachi ninjutsu will make nagato go omg?

Nagato was able to take on a wind rasengan, a ninjutsu bejond s-rank. Itachi just has some c rank fire jutsu and just relyies on amertasu in the ninjutsu department for real damage. His go to is genjutsu when it counts in a life and death sitution.

If itachi has strong ninjutsu that he could spam like dust techs, wind rasegnans, rasengans. look back to jiraiya when he fought nagato he used very powerful ninjutsu. If itachi has jutsus like these, then I can agree with u that his ninjutsu will play a major role in a fight with someone like nagato.

He doesnt use ninjutsu to get an upper hand in a fight thats his genjutsu at work. Itachi's thing is genjutsu if hes in a fight that it's even hard for him to use genjutsu effectively his ninjutsu isnt going to any better. His ninjutsu serves as a distraction to use his genjutsu like how he tried to use genjutsu on bee recently. Sasuke for example is the oppoiste he tries to use his weak genjutsu to get an opening to use his strong ninjutsu.

Itachi is more simular to somelike kahashi when it comes to ninjustu as oppose to guys like jiraiya, naruto,raikage and their ninjutsu. These guys actually rely on their ninjutsu to win a fight.


This is abit off topic discssion wise,

Every ninja so far has shown to be weak in some areas. Maybe the sage of 6 paths, madara and harashima are exception. Untill we see madara fight for real, harashima probally is the most all round shinobi we have seen and in my opinon the strongest based on his feats. Hes capable to doing strong ninjutsu, great in taijutsu and even can perfrom A-rank genjutsu like his display against the thrid hokage.

 

[DigitalMonster]

As far as I can see it , the only thing that some of you say that Itachi has over Nagato is genjutsu,but I want to say , Sasuke beat the Tsukyomi just using a normal Sharingan . He didn't even need a Mangekyo Sharingan , so a Sharingan broke the most powerful genjutsu . What do you think about the strongest genjutsu of them all vs the strongest eye of them all ( Rinnegan ) ?

N.B Nagato leaving 3 paths to die was a strategy , so that he can make a sneaky attack on Jiraiya cutting his arm in the process , & this move was the turning point against Jiraiya in the battle

I still believe that Itachi let Sasuke broke Tsukuyomi.

If that's the case,you might as well say that Rinnegan can predict fast-movement like Sharingan does which isn't anywhere stated in manga.

 

[arv993]

Which of itachi ninjutsu will make nagato go omg?

Nagato was able to take on a wind rasengan, a ninjutsu bejond s-rank. Itachi just has some c rank fire jutsu and just relyies on amertasu in the ninjutsu department for real damage. His go to is genjutsu when it counts in a life and death sitution.

If itachi has strong ninjutsu that he could spam like dust techs, wind rasegnans, rasengans. look back to jiraiya when he fought nagato he used very powerful ninjutsu. If itachi has jutsus like these, then I can agree with u that his ninjutsu will play a major role in a fight with someone like nagato.

He doesnt use ninjutsu to get an upper hand in a fight thats his genjutsu at work. Itachi's thing is genjutsu if hes in a fight that it's even hard for him to use genjutsu effectively his ninjutsu isnt going to any better. His ninjutsu serves as a distraction to use his genjutsu like how he tried to use genjutsu on bee recently. Sasuke for example is the oppoiste he tries to use his weak genjutsu to get an opening to use his strong ninjutsu.

Itachi is more simular to somelike kahashi when it comes to ninjustu as oppose to guys like jiraiya, naruto,raikage and their ninjutsu. These guys actually rely on their ninjutsu to win a fight.


This is abit off topic discssion wise,

Every ninja so far has shown to be weak in some areas. Maybe the sage of 6 paths, madara and harashima are exception. Untill we see madara fight for real, harashima probally is the most all round shinobi we have seen and in my opinon the strongest based on his feats. Hes capable to doing strong ninjutsu, great in taijutsu and even can perfrom A-rank genjutsu like his display against the thrid hokage.

dude he is a master at ninjustsu and idk why you avoiding susano and amaterasu and said to read the post above where i explain how Itachi wins with amaterasu and susano, I am not just saying his regular katon style attacks.

 

[arv993]

That's the thing he wont be able to see him because the deva path is in the back and he'll just use the other pains to keep him occupied and try to exploid susanoo.Nagato chakra is way bigger than itachi own chakra.

dude i have seen their formation and deva is clearly seen and don't forget that itcahi can move around until he sees him it is not that hard i don't think seeing deva pain is hard cause he is always with the others.