Nagato is a Monster and id say is the best (outside tobi with renningan now)

[carbon]

They share vision. A genjutsu cast against a body is the same as being cast against the user.

The paths bodies couldnt use genjutsu nagato could and he was somewhere in a machine so he couldnt counter genjutsu with the paths bodies.

 

[YIN YANG]

also takes too much time and a lot of chakra. nagato would win against anyone if he was just did not have to take a decent amount of time for each of his techs and his 5 second limit, if he did not have those he would beat everyone but that period ppl like itachi with sword of totsuka can take advantage of

there six bodies it just takes distractions and summoning gedo is as fast as any other normal summon now idk how susanoo will protect it self even with yata mirror against gedo's dragon.

 

[arv993]

They share vision. A genjutsu cast against a body is the same as being cast against the user.

we are talking about just nagato not the 6 paths

 

[arv993]

there six bodies it just takes distractions and summoning gedo is as fast as any other normal summon now idk how susanoo will protect it self even with yata mirror against gedo's dragon.

dude we are talking about nagato just him. I already explained why he would win that b4. But if you want to talk about it i will.

 

[arv993]

The paths bodies couldnt use genjutsu nagato could and he was somewhere in a machine so he couldnt counter genjutsu with the paths bodies.

but he still controls them if he were immune to gejustu then frog song would not have worked an like inception sid they share a vision.

 

[Inception]

The paths bodies couldnt use genjutsu nagato could and he was somewhere in a machine so he couldnt counter genjutsu with the paths bodies.

That does not mean Nagato is not effected by a genjutsu cast on his bodies.

Jiraiya caught all 3 bodies with one genjutsu. Even his real body was caught as he stated, "You got me." Furthermore, he also could not move, if he could then there would be no need to stand still while Jiraiya destroyed 3 bodies. Nagato attacked Jiraiya right after the genjutsu ended thus proving that Nagato was indeed immobilized.

Nagato is not the actual So6P so stop comparing him to the Sage. Nagato has the Rinnegan that the Sage was rumored to have. The actual Sage of Six Paths was so much more than his Rinnegan.

 

[arv993]

That does not mean Nagato is not effected by a genjutsu cast on his bodies.

Jiraiya caught all 3 bodies with one genjutsu. Even his real body was caught as he stated, "You got me." Furthermore, he also could not move, if he could then there would be no need to stand still while Jiraiya destroyed 3 bodies. Nagato attacked Jiraiya right after the genjutsu ended thus proving that Nagato was indeed immobilized.

Nagato is not the actual So6P so stop comparing him to the Sage. Nagato has the Rinnegan that the Sage was rumored to have. The actual Sage of Six Paths was so much more than his Rinnegan.

yes he is not on exactly the sage's level his powers are way weaker, chibaku tensei is not the size of the moon, he cannot use izangi to create new things and he cannot defeat a whole nine tails by himmself but the sage beat the jubi. Their powers are vastly apart. So stop comparing sayng that genjutsu won't work on him becos he is like the sage.

 

[carbon]

That does not mean Nagato is not effected by a genjutsu cast on his bodies.

Jiraiya caught all 3 bodies with one genjutsu. Even his real body was caught as he stated, "You got me." Furthermore, he also could not move, if he could then there would be no need to stand still while Jiraiya destroyed 3 bodies. Nagato attacked Jiraiya right after the genjutsu ended thus proving that Nagato was indeed immobilized.

Nagato is not the actual So6P so stop comparing him to the Sage. Nagato has the Rinnegan that the Sage was rumored to have. The actual Sage of Six Paths was so much more than his Rinnegan.

You have no proof that nagato himself was immobilized and about a minute passes of talking before the bald body comes to jiraya because it was underway or it was almost there but couldnt move because of genjutsu you cant tell.

But the fact of the matter is that nagato was stated as the most powerful member of akatsuki. Itachi defenitly comes second so dont feel bad<3

 

[arv993]

You have no proof that nagato himself was immobilized and about a minute passes of talking before the bald body comes to jiraya because it was underway or it was almost there but couldnt move because of genjutsu you cant tell.

But the fact of the matter is that nagato was stated as the most powerful member of akatsuki. Itachi defenitly comes second so dont feel bad<3

you can't believe everthing that charcaters say in the manga becos ppl like iruka said that 3rd hokage is the strongest, jiraya said it was the 4th and the one who beat madara was the 1st and tamed bijus and also seems the strongest not only that madara says how much he hates him and admires. You cannot base it off just what chracters say and in the manga.

 

[carbon]

yes he is not on exactly the sage's level his powers are way weaker, chibaku tensei is not the size of the moon, he cannot use izangi to create new things and he cannot defeat a whole nine tails by himmself but the sage beat the jubi. Their powers are vastly apart. So stop comparing sayng that genjutsu won't work on him becos he is like the sage.

He destroyed a whole village fought and killed many high level ninja did a massive shinra tensei costing some years of his life and battled the nine tails up to the 9th tail form. He could still form a chibaku tensei the size of a mountain. The reason I compare nagato to the sage is because of the same eyes and techniques. The sage could use chibaku tensei which is a rinnegan technique so could nagato. The sage uses izanagi which probably was a rinnegan technique, so nagato may achieve this. and teh overpowered rinnegan just seems too strong to have flaws like weakness to genjutsu.

 

[carbon]

you can't believe everthing that charcaters say in the manga becos ppl like iruka said that 3rd hokage is the strongest, jiraya said it was the 4th and the one who beat madara was the 1st and tamed bijus and also seems the strongest not only that madara says how much he hates him and admires. You cannot base it off just what chracters say and in the manga.

Ofcourse you need to base things of the manga where else can you get it from? should i ask the bus driver if he thinks nagato is the strongest? the bus driver would probably say go read the manga.

Really nagato is the strongest but I think in the next manga we actually get to see nagato's power. Kabuto has no reason to hold back.

 

[arv993]

He destroyed a whole village fought and killed many high level ninja did a massive shinra tensei costing some years of his life and battled the nine tails up to the 9th tail form. He could still form a chibaku tensei the size of a mountain. The reason I compare nagato to the sage is because of the same eyes and techniques. The sage could use chibaku tensei which is a rinnegan technique so could nagato. The sage uses izanagi which probably was a rinnegan technique, so nagato may achieve this. and teh overpowered rinnegan just seems too strong to have flaws like weakness to genjutsu.

he did all that yes he is powerful, Itachi could never pull of something like destroying a village. But in a 1v1 battle itachi has the advantage becos of the time he takes to perform all those techs an has a 5 second limit and susano can last long enough to seal nagato. Itchi just has the edge in this fight and just by saying that all the stuff like he destroyed a village doesn't make him immune to genjutsu, no matter how strong he seems he can be caught in really strong genjutsus like tsukiyomi(and itachi is a master of it).

 

[arv993]

Ofcourse you need to base things of the manga where else can you get it from? should i ask the bus driver if he thinks nagato is the strongest? the bus driver would probably say go read the manga.

Really nagato is the strongest but I think in the next manga we actually get to see nagato's power. Kabuto has no reason to hold back.

i just gave you an example of why charcaters in manga can be wrong can't they try to use effective arguments instead of getting mad and talking about bus drivers, characters in manga do not kno the full extent of everyone so that is not the best source. you have to see it in actual battle or from a more reliable soource who fought the person like madara saying hashirma is strong is acceptable becos he is mad strong guy and fought and lost against him. So try to give good arguments instead of saying some stupid things like bus drivers. And yes if we see all of nagato's powers in next manga and see he has a defense or speed to genjutsu or sword of totsuka i would admit that nagato is stronger but until then it seems like itachi has a slight advantage.

 

[carbon]

he did all that yes he is powerful, Itachi could never pull of something like destroying a village. But in a 1v1 battle itachi has the advantage becos of the time he takes to perform all those techs an has a 5 second limit and susano can last long enough to seal nagato. Itchi just has the edge in this fight and just by saying that all the stuff like he destroyed a village doesn't make him immune to genjutsu, no matter how strong he seems he can be caught in really strong genjutsus like tsukiyomi(and itachi is a master of it).

I love both itachi and nagato I hope they fight next manga but I think nagato is invincible now

 

[arv993]

I love both itachi and nagato I hope they fight next manga but I think nagato is invincible now

that is fine i feel the same way of itachi with his susano for a while. But it may change next week.

 

[carbon]

i just gave you an example of why charcaters in manga can be wrong can't they try to use effective arguments instead of getting mad and talking about bus drivers, characters in manga do not kno the full extent of everyone so that is not the best source. you have to see it in actual battle or from a more reliable soource who fought the person like madara saying hashirma is strong is acceptable becos he is mad strong guy and fought and lost against him. So try to give good arguments instead of saying some stupid things like bus drivers. And yes if we see all of nagato's powers in next manga and see he has a defense or speed to genjutsu or sword of totsuka i would admit that nagato is stronger but until then it seems like itachi has a slight advantage.

Dont take things too seriously we like about two characters which one we think is stronger.

I give good arguments i believe and one strong argument is that nagato can use all elements + yin yang release + rinne jutsus makes him stronger. We didnt even see him use 1 element or yin yan release and only a few rinnegan jutsus so we'll see what happens. Nagato will kick ass and maybe even break free of edo tensei who knows lets just keep watching and not get angry

 

[arv993]

Dont take things too seriously we like about two characters which one we think is stronger.

I give good arguments i believe and one strong argument is that nagato can use all elements + yin yang release + rinne jutsus makes him stronger. We didnt even see him use 1 element or yin yan release and only a few rinnegan jutsus so we'll see what happens. Nagato will kick ass and maybe even break free of edo tensei who knows lets just keep watching and not get angry

dude i was not angry if i came off that way my bad. But i was just a liitle annoyed by your argument using bus drivers which is completely diffrent from what i talked about and i gave you in the post b4 a good example of why charcters are wrong sometimes and cannot be fully trusted becos they hve not seen all the powers of either of them, but you just talked about something completely irrelevant and that is an annoying quality that a lot of ppl on narutobase have but otherwise you seem to be a reasonable guy we all say stupid things once in a while.

 

[carbon]

dude i was not angry if i came off that way my bad. But i was just a liitle annoyed by your argument using bus drivers which is completely diffrent from what i talked about and i gave you in the post b4 a good example of why charcters are wrong sometimes and cannot be fully trusted becos they hve not seen all the powers of either of them, but you just talked about something completely irrelevant and that is an annoying quality that a lot of ppl on narutobase have but otherwise you seem to be a reasonable guy we all say stupid things once in a while.

Ok but still I cant see why a character like konan or tobi would lie or be wrong about nagato's power and call him the strongest in akatsuki.

But madara even with the rinnegan still isnt as powerful as he once was and 1st hokage defeated madara even tho he had EMS. so its not like that the eyes make you the strongest but the way you are able to counter against the enemy and I dont see anyone being able to counter anything nagato has.

Anyway well see in the next manga it will be awesome but its now sleepy time ^^

 

[arv993]

Ok but still I cant see why a character like konan or tobi would lie or be wrong about nagato's power and call him the strongest in akatsuki.

But madara even with the rinnegan still isnt as powerful as he once was and 1st hokage defeated madara even tho he had EMS. so its not like that the eyes make you the strongest but the way you are able to counter against the enemy and I dont see anyone being able to counter anything nagato has.

Anyway well see in the next manga it will be awesome but its now sleepy time ^^

the thing is konan does not kno the full capabilities of itachi and also i don't recall tobi saying that, and you are saying eyes are not everything but saying that nagato cannot be defeated or countered that seems a like you are contradicting yourself, but he cannot be invincible even if he is resistant to genjutsu he could be sealed by the sword of totsuka or one fourth's uzumaki seals(i am making a guess not saying that he can) which he has no counter to, he is not invincible otherwise why would madara/tobi be the leader and give him orders.

 

[eyesofthekyuubi44]

lol.you still don't get it do you... the sound enters the ears of the victim not the eye. vision genjutsu is different. they use the vision of their victim to cast it.


you should read again pain vs jiraiya fight. ONLY the 3 bodies of pain where trapped inside the genjutsu.. if nagato was affected too, then jiraiya should see him inside that genjutsu.but no, only the 3 that where affected is there.

and if you think well, those 3 hear the genjustu before they were shut down. that means they individually were caught in the genjutsu. if what you are talking about is true then, jiraiya should just target one body and the rest will be caught too... but no, jiraiya did let them all hear it.

try to analyze before you say something.

The reason why we did not see Nagato in the genjutsu was because HE WAS NOT TARGETED. The 3 bodies were targeted, they were effected. Nagato shares vision, hearing, everything with all 6 of his bodies. He sees and hears what they see and hear. Do you understand?

Use the tiny bit of logic you have. IF NAGATO WAS NOT EFFECTED BY GENJUTSU, THEN THE 3 BODIES WOULD NOT BE INSIDE THE JUTSU IN FIRST PLACE. Jiraiya IMMOBILIZED the 3 bodies and stabbed them (THE STAB DESTROYED THE BODIES). If Nagato was in control then why did he attack AFTER the genjutsu was over? Why was Nagato unable to do anything during the genjutsu? He could have easily caught Jiraiya off guard. BECAUSE HE WAS NOT IN CONTROL. He was trapped in the genjutsu and when Jiraiya ended the jutsu, he attacked. GOOD ****ING GAME.

Your logic of seeing Nagato's real body in the genjutsu is laughable seeing as how the whole point of having 6 different bodies was taking hits from attacks which would be dangerous to the real body. The point of a genjutsu is to paralyze the foe, not kill them. Jiraiya did not see Nagato in there because he was not targeted directly. He did however paralyze the bodies that were targeted, meaning Nagato was paralyzed, hence proving me right that Nagato was indeed effected by the genjutsu. Do you know why Pain uses 6 bodies? 1. Division of power 2. To destroy his opponents from a safe distance.

Btw, the bodies were DESTROYED BY JIRAIYA in the REAL WORLD by physical objects. The genjutsu DID NOT DESTROY THE BODIES I feel I have to use caps and bold the text for you to read it.

try to analyze before u say something? LMAO, try to read the manga properly.

Are you both ladies? If so, you could probably make money doing this in a mud pit.