Nagato is a Monster and id say is the best (outside tobi with renningan now)

[arv993]

pain fights in formation and would put his absorber out in front so that he can take itachi ninjutsu and pain could just use planetary devastation on itachi can susanoo get out of that and amerterasu would take too long to just get out of that planetary devastation technique and itachi would die from overuse of chakra that jutsu alone should break itachi suanoo and kill Itachi.:flaw::flaw:

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hold up i told you b4 itachi is good in taijutsu he can take out the absorber in no time(check databook) and amaterasu is not rasenshuriken that needs prep and it is an instant attack and you have to be as fast as raikage or naruto to dodge or catch it in this case so how can someone like the absorber ninja who is not fast go absorb that cause last time i checked he is not nearly as fast as A or naruto in Rm mode. If the main pain is gone it is pretty easy to take out the others because they are not nearly as strong as yahiko's body. absorber can easily be beaten by taijutsu and everyone else can be beaten by itachi's high lvl fire style ninjutsu and whatever else type of chakra nature he has and he still has susano, naruto in sage mode owned all of them except for yahiko's body and if itachi takes him out dude everyone else is not that much big of a deal. As for planetary devastation itachi is not the nine tailed beast and if you go back and read the manga the tech is not fast but is effective against tailed beasts and such because they are big and cannot move as fast. Itachi is defnately good enough to dodge that. And he would not even has to face that because he would kill yahiko's body by then and then nagato has to come out 1v1 and genjustsu would deal with that.

 

[YIN YANG]

hold up i told you b4 itachi is good in taijutsu he can take out the absorber in no time(check databook) and amaterasu is not rasenshuriken that needs prep and it is an instant attack and you have to be as fast as raikage or naruto to dodge or catch it in this case so how can someone like the absorber ninja who is not fast go absorb that cause last time i checked he is not nearly as fast as A or naruto in Rm mode. If the main pain is gone it is pretty easy to take out the others because they are not nearly as strong as yahiko's body. absorber can easily be beaten by taijutsu and everyone else can be beaten by itachi's high lvl fire style ninjutsu and whatever else type of chakra nature he has and he still has susano, naruto in sage mode owned all of them except for yahiko's body and if itachi takes him out dude everyone else is not that much big of a deal. As for planetary devastation itachi is not the nine tailed beast and if you go back and read the manga the tech is not fast but is effective against tailed beasts and such because they are big and cannot move as fast. Itachi is defnately good enough to dodge that. And he would not even has to face that because he would kill yahiko's body by then and then nagato has to come out 1v1 and genjustsu would deal with that.

THE PAINS ALSO HAVE GOOD TAIJUTSU SO IT'S NOT AN AUTOMATIC WIN FOR ITACHI FOR THE OTHER PAINS AS FOR NARUTO HE HAD INCREASED STRENGTH that one air blow from his punch would be an impact. Planetery devastation can get a group of land on a cetain area to the sky and you can concentrate on an area so he gets itachi area and brings him to the sk:flaw:y

 

[JakeLife510]

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[Draegod]

in my opinion i believe this is a win for nagato.. i just realised something that i will make a thread about tomorrow or later on tonight. (not going to do it now because its Saturday and me and friends are going bar hoping! #Yessuh!)

 

[Anub]

if in the desert, or ripples on water yes! but regularly no! plus he could just use shadow clones to confuse you while invisible.. and dont forget about the earth fire and wind techs! Muu is just an all around hard ninja to defeat! but you will never admitt that unless his/her name is (naruto, sasuke, minato, itachi) or other main main stream ninjas..

overall the weakest and lamest excuse ppl use to defeat muu is "genjutsu", when it i A FACT that not all genjutsu are the same and will work THE EXACT SAME WAY! only noobs say,"itachi is the best gen user ever, he could surely beat him". when itachi and the mizu are nothing alike or do not fight silimilar in anyway, shape, or form! itachi may possibly be the best gen user, but that doesnt mean his gen will work the same way jmans song gen works or the mizus clam jutsu works!

some of you make no sense (not you anub and some of the others) i swear!!! U_U

" if in the desert, or ripples on water yes! " - Itachi has spent years within Akatsuki. Safe to say he has jutsus that can create water or desert. Also I will like to add that you can see footprints on grass as well. Sharingan will be able to pick up the grass moving. The only way Muu would deflect properly is by using shadow clones.

Another point I want to make: If Muu doesn't know about Itachi's abilites, he will look him straight in the eyes. That should mean (by definition) Muu getting trapped in a genjutsu. Unless you are suggesting that Itachi needs to actually see him for the genjutsu to work, which I won't debate, it's a matter of perspective with (as far as I know) no proof whatsoever.

"Muu is just an all around hard ninja to defeat" - YES. Couldn't agree more with this one. Muu is one of the most complete ninja out there, but he is still not that high in my opinion. I already specified why. But I would definitely have Muu in the top20 and that's high, especially with all the new shinobi we're seeing now.

"but you will never admitt that unless his/her name is (naruto, sasuke, minato, itachi) or other main main stream ninjas.." - I'm not into mainstream at all. My opinions are not even remotely based on that. I was a fan of Itachi's powers ever since he showed his red eyes in Konoha when he wasn't mainstream. One of my fav chars is Neji, who isn't mainstream. And I cannot stand Naruto as a character, but I will admit that he is strong. And I will openly admit any mistakes I've made if new manga chapters prove me wrong. Until then, I have not seen enough from Muu to surpass the best 5-10 shinobi.

With regards to your genjutsu comments. It's true. If you were to ask me who would win between Itachi and Jirayia sage mode in a genjutsu battle, I would say that I need more details like where the fight takes place, are there any obstacles between them, how far apart are they, etc. It's never as simple as Itachi =10, the rest are between 1-9 , so that means Itachi ownz the world. I won't count Itachi's genjutsu as his only weapon and worst case scenario, if Itachi was smart (and he is) he would just create a circle of amaterasu around him and (1) escape underground and devise a surprise attack or (2) use susano'o and swing for the fences. If Muu gets close enough he will be caught eventually.

In the other's genjutsu theory defense, I will say that they might want to underline that Muu's weakness is genjutsu. And genjutsu, even if split in categories, works the same way: it "traps" your brain in an illusion. So in other words, the best way to put it is : Muu's weakness is genjutsu defense. It might be more accurate.

 

[JakeLife510]

Do you all think Muu has flight?

 

[kaddie3]

Arguing over the internet is like the Special Olympics... Even if you win you're still retarded.

 

[TheMaster1]

Arguing over the internet is like the Special Olympics... Even if you win you're still retarded.

whats wrong with u we like naruto so we talk about it with other people that like it too

 

[TheMaster1]

Do you all think Muu has flight?

dont think he can if he can he'll be way too strong

 

[arv993]

THE PAINS ALSO HAVE GOOD TAIJUTSU SO IT'S NOT AN AUTOMATIC WIN FOR ITACHI FOR THE OTHER PAINS AS FOR NARUTO HE HAD INCREASED STRENGTH that one air blow from his punch would be an impact. Planetery devastation can get a group of land on a cetain area to the sky and you can concentrate on an area so he gets itachi area and brings him to the sk:flaw:y

they are not elite ninjas like itachi and look at the databook. And he was fighting naruto when he was in kyubi mode with taijutsu so it is obvious that he is better than some controlled ninja in taijutsu and he can fight naruto well with it so he can definitely take them out and he also has good katon and suiton techs he can use on them and I told you that if he takes out yahiko with amaterasu he can't use shinra tensei or planetary devastation and since you couldn't obviously reply back about my previous thread about how the absorber cannot interfere fast enough to block tsukiyomi so yahiko dies and can't use plantary devastation. So all he has to do now is kill one absorber with taijutsu and kill everyone else with his ninjutsu and he has susano as a backup anytime. itachi then has to fight nagato and genjutsu can take care of that b4 he nagato even tries anything. Dude read the databook man itachi is good at all 3 nin,tai and genjutsu so he can easily take care of one absorber withtaijustsu like he is nothing and I will repeat read the lastest chapter where naruto and itachi use taijustsu to fight each other if itachi was can't beat an absorber(who naruto owned with taijustsu) like you believe then he won't even be able touch rm mode and that is enough proof right there.

 

[psukkar]

Until it says otherwise, I'm going to stick with what it says on the manga up to this point. Yata Mirror with Blade of Totsuka makes Itachi nearly invincible.



How does cooking up some fresh bullshit make you feel?



LMFAO. Did you even read the Itachi vs. Sasuke fight? Sasuke destroyed the whole Uchiha hideout and much more with Kirin yet Itachi was still standing. Kirin is much more faster than Shinra Tensei and UNAVOIDABLE. Take in account that Nagato went through a large "unable to use my God realm power" phase right after he destroyed the village. Nagato can absorb the black flames, yep but he also shares a vision with all 6 paths. One Tsukiyomi is enough.



Only chance? I think Susano'o is a much better technique. Itachi HAS the chakra. Are you blind or just stupid? He was able to cast Tsukiyomi, several Amaterasu spam and Susano'o ON THE VERGE OF DEATH, not to mention he kept his Susano'o up for quiet a while. Nagato shares vision with all 6 bodies, he sees what they see. One brain, 7 bodies. Tsukiyomi effects the mind. You can guess where I'm going with this.



I'm not sure how this is relevant info? If you want to throw out random bullshit, I'll do the same. Madara, the almighty Uchiha as you call him, was scared of Itachi. He mentioned that if Itachi knew his secret, he would be dead. This is the same guy who USED Nagato as a pawn. He was even ordering him around in front of Konan to which Konan took defence. Go back and read it.



Are you really this stupid? Read the ****ing manga before you post. The White Zetsu had no idea what it was but the Black Zetsu had knowledge on ALL of Itachi's techniques. He even mentioned how Itachi was not dodging attacks he normally could. They were narrating the fight from Tsukiyomi to Amaterasu to Susano'o. Black Zetsu explained the Yata Mirror/ Blade of Totsuka and mentioned how Oro was searching for it. Read the goddamn manga.

I feel like I'm repeating things that are found in the manga.

calm down, dont get defensive over this, not worth it. I just asked u questions and told u my answers. Maybe you know its true aand thays why u got upset.

Just some of things i noticed I though Id put out. Theres more but no point if your gona argure facts like these.

Genjutsu and the 6 paths has already been looked in by kishi. Nagato didnt get caught in genjutsu thats how he summoned more pains to kill jiraiya. All genjutsu attacks the brain, plz stop argueing this. Your making ur self look stupid.

White zetsu was cluess about sassano completely but black zetsu mentioned he recogonised the legendary weapons, so therefore sassano and the legendary weapons have no relation.

The bit about the shield was just using logic, sassano takes damage and the user has to repair it using their chakra. And in itachi's state he needed to save as much chakra as possible for top level fights.

Shinra tensei/chiku tensei overpowers opponents, forget about the speed. They are large scale and dont need to be fast. The sharingan techs are all small scale and things like speed is important. And they can easily overpower sassano. Take it or leave.

And when u write things like kirin is stronger than shira tesei or chika tensei, its hurts you alot. Dont write things like that dude.

Madara got the rinnegan, when he already had ems. Thats not irreevalnt when it comes to someone wanting to a god and talk over the world. If sharingan was good enought madara wouldnt have gone into the trouble.

The rest of the stuff is just u being rude and childish. Saying I havent read this and that, my knowledge dwarfs yours if you cant even remember what zetsu said and didn't say about sassano.

 

[arv993]

calm down, dont get defensive over this, not worth it. I just asked u questions and told u my answers. Maybe you know its true aand thays why u got upset.

Just some of things i noticed I though Id put out. Theres more but no point if your gona argure facts like these.

Genjutsu and the 6 paths has already been looked in by kishi. Nagato didnt get caught in genjutsu thats how he summoned more pains to kill jiraiya. All genjutsu attacks the brain, plz stop argueing this. Your making ur self look stupid.

White zetsu was cluess about sassano completely but black zetsu mentioned he recogonised the legendary weapons, so therefore sassano and the legendary weapons have no relation.

The bit about the shield was just using logic, sassano takes damage and the user has to repair it using their chakra. And in itachi's state he needed to save as much chakra as possible for top level fights.

Shinra tensei/chiku tensei overpowers opponents, forget about the speed. They are large scale and dont need to be fast. The sharingan techs are all small scale and things like speed is important. And they can easily overpower sassano. Take it or leave.

And when u write things like kirin is stronger than shira tesei or chika tensei, its hurts you alot. Dont write things like that dude.

Madara got the rinnegan, when he already had ems. Thats not irreevalnt when it comes to someone wanting to a god and talk over the world. If sharingan was good enought madara wouldnt have gone into the trouble.

The rest of the stuff is just u being rude and childish. Saying I havent read this and that, my knowledge dwarfs yours if you cant even remember what zetsu said and didn't say about sassano.

Dude it never stated that nagato(himself) is immune to genjutsu like tsukiyomi.
And how is yahiko's body supposed to dodge amaterasu and don't say it could be absrobed because this an instant attack and can be stopped by the absorber guy becos he is not fats enough(only A and naruto are) so shinra tensei is not going to work. And itachi is also good at taijutsu and can take on and kill a bunch of them with that and he can use his ninjutsu like his fire style techs to take out all of them. Itachi has a really good chance at beating pain. It would be a tough fight but itachi would proabably win

 

[psukkar]

Dude it never stated that nagato(himself) is immune to genjutsu like tsukiyomi.
And how is yahiko's body supposed to dodge amaterasu and don't say it could be absrobed because this an instant attack and can be stopped by the absorber guy becos he is not fats enough(only A and naruto are) so shinra tensei is not going to work. And itachi is also good at taijutsu and can take on and kill a bunch of them with that and he can use his ninjutsu like his fire style techs to take out all of them. Itachi has a really good chance at beating pain. It would be a tough fight but itachi would proabably win

Regardless how genjutsu is cast either by eyes or making a sound ITS STILL GENJUTSU.

And all genjutsu attack the enemy the same way, the brain. And just becuase u catcj one pain body in genjutsu its been shown u diont catch the everyone connected. Thats a fact now on how thre pian tech works. If u catch the controller some how like nagato then yes they all cop it since nagato is controliong them.

And unlike something like how jiraiya cuaghty the pain bodies tuk cant attack more than one target at a time, thats put itachi at a disadadvange as he now would have spam it, which takes alot of chakra that itachi doesnt have.

 

[Spartan117]

Regardless how genjutsu is cast either by eyes or making a sound ITS STILL GENJUTSU.

And all genjutsu attack the enemy the same way, the brain. And just becuase u catcj one pain body in genjutsu its been shown u diont catch the everyone connected. Thats a fact now on how thre pian tech works. If u catch the controller some how like nagato then yes they all cop it since nagato is controliong them.

And unlike something like how jiraiya cuaghty the pain bodies tuk cant attack more than one target at a time, thats put itachi at a disadadvange as he now would have spam it, which takes alot of chakra that itachi doesnt have.

Very good point.

 

[arv993]

Regardless how genjutsu is cast either by eyes or making a sound ITS STILL GENJUTSU.

And all genjutsu attack the enemy the same way, the brain. And just becuase u catcj one pain body in genjutsu its been shown u diont catch the everyone connected. Thats a fact now on how thre pian tech works. If u catch the controller some how like nagato then yes they all cop it since nagato is controliong them.

And unlike something like how jiraiya cuaghty the pain bodies tuk cant attack more than one target at a time, thats put itachi at a disadadvange as he now would have spam it, which takes alot of chakra that itachi doesnt have.

i said not one pain body but nagato himself read what i wrote a little more carefully. I said for yahiko's body he uses amaterasu and for the rest a combination of taijutsu and his fire style ninjustu are enough cause the main obstacle is yahiko's body and he can beaten by amaterasu and afterwards itachi can beat other with moderate difficulty and finnaly if nagato comes out then tsukiyomi or other genjutsu would work. he does not need much chakra because all he needs is one amaterasu and more chakra for his fire style jutsus and taijustsu which does not take any chakra. But for nagato himself he needs only genjutsu.

 

[Draegod]

i said not one pain body but nagato himself read what i wrote a little more carefully. I said for yahiko's body he uses amaterasu and for the rest a combination of taijutsu and his fire style ninjustu are enough cause the main obstacle is yahiko's body and he can beaten by amaterasu and afterwards itachi can beat other with moderate difficulty and finnaly if nagato comes out then tsukiyomi or other genjutsu would work. he does not need much chakra because all he needs is one amaterasu and more chakra for his fire style jutsus and taijustsu which does not take any chakra. But for nagato himself he needs only genjutsu.

so you think itll be that easy to just amerteratsu deva pain, then fight the others in taijutsu???? lmao get out of here!!!kakshi even with the sharingan (which can predict just like sauke if not better!) couldnt even touch pain. they share link vision, you can not touch any on the pain bodys with the lv of speed itachi has (minato and A and Bee have a better chance). jman in fast as sage mode with ma and pa aswell couldnt even touch any pain with out taking out the vision first! stop pulling bull out ya but and face the facts! all 6 equals your not touching them even from there blind spot in the back!

and ameratsu coulde be absord by hunger pain since it is a ninjutsu aswell! tsukuyomi is useless just like any other gen on the pain bodys. jmans gen was designed to paralyze the victum, itachis is just meant to torchure them from there mind, pain bodys feel no pain so a jutsu like tsukuyomi is useless. and it has been proven that they have seperate brains so i dont see how ppl think tsukuyomi would affetc nagato aswell. it is a fact that when jman did the sound gen he took out 3, but seconds later all 6 poped up unafected. and dont say nagato cant here what all 6 pains here, otherwise he wouldnt know whats going on right??? his brain wasnt eft so that proves that just because he see what they see that he would be affected.... damn i swear these fanbois never quit! they think only SO6P's can beat itachi...

 

[arv993]

so you think itll be that easy to just amerteratsu deva pain, then fight the others in taijutsu???? lmao get out of here!!!kakshi even with the sharingan (which can predict just like sauke if not better!) couldnt even touch pain. they share link vision, you can not touch any on the pain bodys with the lv of speed itachi has (minato and A and Bee have a better chance). jman in fast as sage mode with ma and pa aswell couldnt even touch any pain with out taking out the vision first! stop pulling bull out ya but and face the facts! all 6 equals your not touching them even from there blind spot in the back!

and ameratsu coulde be absord by hunger pain since it is a ninjutsu aswell! tsukuyomi is useless just like any other gen on the pain bodys. jmans gen was designed to paralyze the victum, itachis is just meant to torchure them from there mind, pain bodys feel no pain so a jutsu like tsukuyomi is useless. and it has been proven that they have seperate brains so i dont see how ppl think tsukuyomi would affetc nagato aswell. it is a fact that when jman did the sound gen he took out 3, but seconds later all 6 poped up unafected. and dont say nagato cant here what all 6 pains here, otherwise he wouldnt know whats going on right??? his brain wasnt eft so that proves that just because he see what they see that he would be affected.... damn i swear these fanbois never quit! they think only SO6P's can beat itachi...

dude itachi wont use genjutsu on pain bodies and how can the hunger pain absorb amaterasu which is towards deva pain the absorber guy is not that fast amaterasu is an instant attack and deva pain can't dodge it.so after deva pain is taken down then all he needs is taijustsu and his regular ninjustsu like all his firestyle.

 

[Draegod]

" if in the desert, or ripples on water yes! " - Itachi has spent years within Akatsuki. Safe to say he has jutsus that can create water or desert. Also I will like to add that you can see footprints on grass as well. Sharingan will be able to pick up the grass moving. The only way Muu would deflect properly is by using shadow clones.

Another point I want to make: If Muu doesn't know about Itachi's abilites, he will look him straight in the eyes. That should mean (by definition) Muu getting trapped in a genjutsu. Unless you are suggesting that Itachi needs to actually see him for the genjutsu to work, which I won't debate, it's a matter of perspective with (as far as I know) no proof whatsoever.

"Muu is just an all around hard ninja to defeat" - YES. Couldn't agree more with this one. Muu is one of the most complete ninja out there, but he is still not that high in my opinion. I already specified why. But I would definitely have Muu in the top20 and that's high, especially with all the new shinobi we're seeing now.

"but you will never admitt that unless his/her name is (naruto, sasuke, minato, itachi) or other main main stream ninjas.." - I'm not into mainstream at all. My opinions are not even remotely based on that. I was a fan of Itachi's powers ever since he showed his red eyes in Konoha when he wasn't mainstream. One of my fav chars is Neji, who isn't mainstream. And I cannot stand Naruto as a character, but I will admit that he is strong. And I will openly admit any mistakes I've made if new manga chapters prove me wrong. Until then, I have not seen enough from Muu to surpass the best 5-10 shinobi.

With regards to your genjutsu comments. It's true. If you were to ask me who would win between Itachi and Jirayia sage mode in a genjutsu battle, I would say that I need more details like where the fight takes place, are there any obstacles between them, how far apart are they, etc. It's never as simple as Itachi =10, the rest are between 1-9 , so that means Itachi ownz the world. I won't count Itachi's genjutsu as his only weapon and worst case scenario, if Itachi was smart (and he is) he would just create a circle of amaterasu around him and (1) escape underground and devise a surprise attack or (2) use susano'o and swing for the fences. If Muu gets close enough he will be caught eventually.

In the other's genjutsu theory defense, I will say that they might want to underline that Muu's weakness is genjutsu. And genjutsu, even if split in categories, works the same way: it "traps" your brain in an illusion. So in other words, the best way to put it is : Muu's weakness is genjutsu defense. It might be more accurate.

i see where your coming from now..

but what you are forgetting is that muu want just go invisible and idle around, he will go for the kill asap! he will unleash dust techs (which are shown to be pretty fast), and force itachi (with his fast reaction) to activate susanoo since it will be the only thing to save him.

so right off the back itachi has to go susanoo (by logic, muu unleashes dust techs asap from what we can see.lol). that right there will play a hugeeeeeeee toll (itachi had MS for 4+ years and was strait but on the verge of sickness and blindness, sasuke had ms for about 3-4 days and went blind because the ms techs were to much for him and he did not no how to rely on his regular powers like itachi can..), but it seems itachi hates being in susanoo (hell i would too to tell the truth.lol), and muu could use his other techs aswell...

you say itachi could create water every where (like kisame i presume?) or "creat a desert", when it hasnt been shown that he could do anything even close to that. plus if a ninja creates water, muu could either 1)fire it to create steam to really afect there visoin or 2) dust tech it to be non existant again.lol itachi and most water ninjas need a water sorce around to do good water techs. tahts why kisame keeps it with in.lol

muu is a legend that was around during the uchia era, im sure he knows not to look into an uchias eyes.lol and ameratsu im not worried abot because he could just use dust to change the battle feild to make it move or something of that nature.

one question tho! who do you have over muu besiseds hashirama, madara/tobi, kabuto, naruto, sasuke, itachi, minato, Bee, A, nagato/pain..??? i want to see just out of curiosity, because i beleive there are some ninjas that are a bad match up for him (like gaara, kisame maybe) but i want to see what rank yo have him sitting at and who you put above him..

 

[Draegod]

dude itachi wont use genjutsu on pain bodies and how can the hunger pain absorb amaterasu which is towards deva pain the absorber guy is not that fast amaterasu is an instant attack and deva pain can't dodge it.so after deva pain is taken down then all he needs is taijustsu and his regular ninjustsu like all his firestyle.

but it has been proven that amerteratsu burns slow as ****!!! (sorry for cursing.lol), thats enuff time to go over there and absorb the flames. jman sealed the flames with a regular fire seal tech!!! raikage stood there with the flames on his arm and didnt flinch or let it affect him one bit! the flames burn slow and isnt instant death and that sir is a fact beyond facts, and if you ignor that then you are a uchia god worshiper to the highest calibur, and i might have to put you in the SUPER NOOB CATIGORY! which i dont want to do, you seem like a cool person..

 

[blazekev90]

Nagato is stronger than ever, when having all 6 paths within him and could beat any shinobi. But as he could be any shinobi, there are some that could POSSIBLY beat him too like; Madara, Itachi, naruto and Kabuto....o and Garra might stand a chance too. Everyone else I think would be tossed around and pawned.