Nagato is a Monster and id say is the best (outside tobi with renningan now)

[Inception]

why you guys don't understand that we never saw nagato being affected by uchiha's or sharingan's genjutsu.. therefor dont assume that one genjutsu and nagato would lose.that's just dumb..


A SOUND BASED GENJUTSU IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT FRM SASUKE's/ITACHI's genjutsu. hell i bet that sound genjutsu ma and pa frog use can also affect itachi and sasuke.

Obviously it'll effect them but you can't fight a Sharingan user with genjutsu. Kurenai tried and failed.

The bodies that were targeted by the sound jutsus were all trapped in the genjutsu. This means Nagato was trapped in the sound genjutsu. They share vision, hearing, everything. Nagato attacked Jiraiya right after Jiraiya killed the 3 bodies and ENDED HIS GENJUTSU. Nagato was elsewhere, safe and sound but he was trapped in the genjutsu.

 

[khaydz5]

Obviously it'll effect them but you can't fight a Sharingan user with genjutsu. Kurenai tried and failed.

The bodies that were targeted by the sound jutsus were all trapped in the genjutsu. This means Nagato was trapped in the sound genjutsu. They share vision, hearing, everything. Nagato attacked Jiraiya right after Jiraiya killed the 3 bodies and ENDED HIS GENJUTSU. Nagato was elsewhere, safe and sound but he was trapped in the genjutsu.

lol.you still don't get it do you... the sound enters the ears of the victim not the eye. vision genjutsu is different. they use the vision of their victim to cast it.


you should read again pain vs jiraiya fight. ONLY the 3 bodies of pain where trapped inside the genjutsu.. if nagato was affected too, then jiraiya should see him inside that genjutsu.but no, only the 3 that where affected is there.

and if you think well, those 3 hear the genjustu before they were shut down. that means they individually were caught in the genjutsu. if what you are talking about is true then, jiraiya should just target one body and the rest will be caught too... but no, jiraiya did let them all hear it.

try to analyze before you say something.

 

[deidara senpai]

nagato is insane after seeing this chapter i think hes stronger than minato now but idk about everyone else heres my list

1.so6p
2.madara now
3.older and younger sons of so6p
4.first hokage
5.naruto and sasuke
6.kabuto (finally someone else agrees that kabutos edos are just the beginning)
7.nagato
8.minato
9.3rd hokage
10.itachi

and idk to much about muu or should i say not enough so i guees im not a fan :\

oh yea and nagato can also use all 5 elements yin and yang elements and summon gedo mezo which i think is insane

 

[Inception]

lol.you still don't get it do you... the sound enters the ears of the victim not the eye. vision genjutsu is different. they use the vision of their victim to cast it.


you should read again pain vs jiraiya fight. ONLY the 3 bodies of pain where trapped inside the genjutsu.. if nagato was affected too, then jiraiya should see him inside that genjutsu.but no, only the 3 that where affected is there.

and if you think well, those 3 hear the genjustu before they were shut down. that means they individually were caught in the genjutsu. if what you are talking about is true then, jiraiya should just target one body and the rest will be caught too... but no, jiraiya did let them all hear it.

try to analyze before you say something.

The reason why we did not see Nagato in the genjutsu was because HE WAS NOT TARGETED. The 3 bodies were targeted, they were effected. Nagato shares vision, hearing, everything with all 6 of his bodies. He sees and hears what they see and hear. Do you understand?

Use the tiny bit of logic you have. IF NAGATO WAS NOT EFFECTED BY GENJUTSU, THEN THE 3 BODIES WOULD NOT BE INSIDE THE JUTSU IN FIRST PLACE. Jiraiya IMMOBILIZED the 3 bodies and stabbed them (THE STAB DESTROYED THE BODIES). If Nagato was in control then why did he attack AFTER the genjutsu was over? Why was Nagato unable to do anything during the genjutsu? He could have easily caught Jiraiya off guard. BECAUSE HE WAS NOT IN CONTROL. He was trapped in the genjutsu and when Jiraiya ended the jutsu, he attacked. GOOD ****ING GAME.

Your logic of seeing Nagato's real body in the genjutsu is laughable seeing as how the whole point of having 6 different bodies was taking hits from attacks which would be dangerous to the real body. The point of a genjutsu is to paralyze the foe, not kill them. Jiraiya did not see Nagato in there because he was not targeted directly. He did however paralyze the bodies that were targeted, meaning Nagato was paralyzed, hence proving me right that Nagato was indeed effected by the genjutsu. Do you know why Pain uses 6 bodies? 1. Division of power 2. To destroy his opponents from a safe distance.

Btw, the bodies were DESTROYED BY JIRAIYA in the REAL WORLD by physical objects. The genjutsu DID NOT DESTROY THE BODIES I feel I have to use caps and bold the text for you to read it.

try to analyze before u say something? LMAO, try to read the manga properly.

 

[Naruto420]

i would rate minato as number 2 noone can touch him. If you disagree prove me wrong with manga facts, not something you think in your mind. And as for the guys above saying itachi is faster, minato teleported to madara wounded him and released the fox from the genjutsu with a contract jutsu in a flash. noone has been able to do that.

 

[Inception]

Minato is obviously faster than Itachi.

 

[deidara senpai]

No sensor can sense muu outside of actually touching him (i.e. Gaara sensor sand), plus He doesn't need it to sense muu when he can just shinra tensei the battle field and kill him that way....

agreed and also nagato has that rain technique he found jiraiya with

 

[khaydz5]

The reason why we did not see Nagato in the genjutsu was because HE WAS NOT TARGETED. The 3 bodies were targeted, they were effected. Nagato shares a vision, hearing, everything with all 6 of his bodies. He sees and hears what they see and hear. Do you understand?

USE LOGIC. IF NAGATO WAS NOT EFFECTED BY GENJUTSU, THEN THE 3 BODIES WOULD NOT BE INSIDE THE JUTSU IN FIRST PLACE. Jiraiya IMMOBILIZED the 3 bodies and stab them. If Nagato was in control then why did he attack AFTER the genjutsu was over? BECAUSE HE WAS NOT. He was trapped in the genjutsu and when Jiraiya ended the jutsu, he attacked.

Your logic of seeing Nagato's real body in the genjutsu is laughable seeing as how the whole point of having 6 different bodies was taking hits from attacks which would be dangerous to the real body. Jiraiya did not see Nagato in there because he was not targeted directly.

Btw, the bodies were DESTROYED BY JIRAIYA in the REAL WORLD by physical objects. The genjutsu DID NOT DESTROY THE BODIES I feel I have to use caps and bold the text for you to read it.

try to analyze before u say something? LMAO, try to read the manga properly.

lol i think you're the one who just believe what you wanted to believe.

you're missing the point noob.those 3 bodies came late because there is no one left to summon them and they have to run on foot going to the fight scene. the "genjustu's realm" is representing the ones that where "caught" in that said genjutsu. it should be proper to think that everyone that is affected by that genjustu should appear inside that realm.

and jiraiya never targeted those 3, jiraiya was trying to CATCH them in the genjutsu. they where CAUGHT not TARGETED. got it?

"whole point of having 6 different bodies was taking hits from attacks which would be dangerous to the real body"

lol and you're saying that if a body is hit, so do nagato? wtf dude. you don't know how the 6 paths work.lol

 

[Inception]

lol i think you're the one who just believe what you wanted to believe.

you're missing the point noob.those 3 bodies came late because there is no one left to summon them and they have to run on foot going to the fight scene. the "genjustu's realm" is representing the ones that where "caught" in that said genjutsu. it should be proper to think that everyone that is affected by that genjustu should appear inside that realm.

and jiraiya never targeted those 3, jiraiya was trying to CATCH them in the genjutsu. they where CAUGHT not TARGETED. got it?

"whole point of having 6 different bodies was taking hits from attacks which would be dangerous to the real body"

lol and you're saying that if a body is hit, so do nagato? wtf dude. you don't know how the 6 paths work.lol

Omfg. Someone tell this guy how to type.

Your 1st paragraph makes so sense AT ALL. They were running? Dumbass, he can summon people in an instance. If Nagato was not caught then his bodies would not be in the realm too. They don't have brains of their own.

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- Nagato's path being effected by the genjutsu.

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- Shock reaction. It means he was not expecting this. "You got me." meaning Nagato is ****ing trapped.

NAGATO IS NOT EFFECTED PHYSICALLY BUT MENTALLY, HE'S TRAPPED. JIRAIYA ONLY KNEW ABOUT 3 BODIES. HE ONLY DESTROYED 3 BODIES. THE 3 BODIES HE DESTROYED WERE PARALYZED. NAGATO WAS EFFECTED BY THE GENJUTSU WHEN THEY WERE PARALYZED.

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- Killed the bodies.

Do you see Nagato's body there? NO. He was not harmed.

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- Nagato's path showing up after the genjutsu is over.

"whole point of having 6 different bodies was taking hits from attacks which would be dangerous to the real body"

lol and you're saying that if a body is hit, so do nagato? wtf dude. you don't know how the 6 paths work.lol

This seriously made me laugh. Are you 10 or in E.S.L by any chance?

 

[khaydz5]

Omfg. Someone tell this guy how to type.

Your 1st paragraph makes so sense AT ALL. They were running? Dumbass, he can summon people in an instance. If Nagato was not caught then his bodies would not be in the realm too. They don't have brains of their own.

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- Nagato's path being effected by the genjutsu.

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- Shock reaction. It means he was not expecting this. "You got me." meaning Nagato is ****ing trapped.

NAGATO IS NOT EFFECTED PHYSICALLY BUT MENTALLY, HE'S TRAPPED. JIRAIYA ONLY KNEW ABOUT 3 BODIES. HE ONLY DESTROYED 3 BODIES. THE 3 BODIES HE DESTROYED WERE PARALYZED. NAGATO WAS EFFECTED BY THE GENJUTSU WHEN THEY WERE PARALYZED.

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- Killed the bodies.

Do you see Nagato's body there? NO. He was not harmed.

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- Nagato's path showing up after the genjutsu is over.



This seriously made me laugh. Are you 10 or in E.S.L by any chance?

bold: the summoner got caught in the genjutsu. that's the only one that can summon the paths. that one was stabbed. who else will summon them in that location? as i have said. think first before you post.


nagato saw that the 3paths where affected. but it doesnt mean the other 3 or he himself is caught. he just saw what they saw and hear what they hear. he don't feel what they feel. this shouldn't be hard to understand.

 

[kisamexRocks]

itachi faster than minato? i hope you're talking about without FTG. and even without fFTG nothing proves that itachi is faster. if anything itachi is only as fast as minato not faster (without FTG). also i dont think if nagato wasnt handicapped he would have the 6 bodies. i think he had them because he couldnt fight himself. also muu shouldnt be that high up and minato, naruto, and sasuke shouldnt be that low. draegod your list needs a lot of editing

Itachi managed to do something before he was hit by lightning. Even with Minat's FTG he wuldn't be able to dodge it. He barely dodged Raikage at full speed. Don't say it was Susanoo because Susanoo was activated AFTER the lightning hit itachi. It's perfectly logical.

 

[DigitalMonster]

please remove hashirama from the list.
he doesn't belong here

 

[deidara senpai]

Itachi managed to do something before he was hit by lightning. Even with Minat's FTG he wuldn't be able to dodge it. He barely dodged Raikage at full speed. Don't say it was Susanoo because Susanoo was activated AFTER the lightning hit itachi. It's perfectly logical.

itachi said

"if not for this i would be dead right now"
he needed sussano

and itachi is not faster than minato that just means he was able to put sussano up really fast

minato could have dodged it as long as their was a kunai away from the blast

 

[Inception]

bold: the summoner got caught in the genjutsu. that's the only one that can summon the paths. that one was stabbed. who else will summon them in that location? as i have said. think first before you post.


nagato saw that the 3paths where affected. but it doesnt mean the other 3 or he himself is caught. he just saw what they saw and hear what they hear. he don't feel what they feel. this shouldn't be hard to understand.

I'm gonna stick with him being trapped in the genjutsu, unable to do anything until it was over. Like you said, he saw and heard what the bodies were seeing and hearing. He was trapped. He didn't feel the pain obviously but his brain was still trapped.

About Itachi being faster than Minato. Itachi is NOT faster than Minato speed wise. Minato literally teleports. Itachi was able to put up Susano'o faster than lightning itself and he is known for his incredible jutsu speeds. Sasuke's attack hit Itachi (Susano'o) and it destroyed the whole battlefield. There was no way to dodge it.

 

[Draegod]

Damn i go to work just to come home and find a bunch of bull... smh.. IM GOING IN! (weezy voice.lol)

@Anub tobi- can become untouchable, genjutsu, all elements thnx to renningan, suck ppl to d.d., all pains powers, smartest and most experienced, knowledge, sharinagn, main villian, has 6 jinjurikis, mind control tech, etc etc... so dont make it seem as though he isnt the shit just because you dont like him.. Muu can defeate itachi, if you wanna argue i have time. naruto would win because hes main character and kishi has proved he can only lose to sasuke.lol bee would win by a little, minato stands no chance in hell (lol naw, but he cant beat muu), you dont seem to see what muu is capable of..

@other ppl- what i am saying is 6 PATHS OF PAIN FIGHTS FIRST, THEN IF YOU MANAGE TO BAET ALL 6 AT FULL POWER YOU FACE NAGATO WITH FULL HEALTH AND ALL 6 PATHS IN ONE BODY AND THE GEDO MAZOU SUMMON TO TOP IT ALL OFF!!! NOW BE REAL, WHO WOULD BE ABLE TO GO THRU ALL THAT IN LIVE?????.....NO ONE!!!!!!

 

[Draegod]

muu>>>>>>jMAN, ITACHI, SASUKE (MS), ORU, RAIKAGE, MINATO, ALL AKATSUKI BESIDES TOBI, AND NAGATO.... if you disagree get at me!!!!

naruto and bee could beat him, beacuse its a bad match up..

 

[thenarutoking]

well he cant grab any1 because hes on a bird if he wasnt crippled ya he would OWN but i think gaara is best. he was crippled and so he couldnt walk and fight so he used some one else but he couldnt give his powers to one person he had to divide them among five. i dont see how the robot has anything to do with his powers if someone will explain that great.

 

[thenarutoking]

lol hes always had all 6 paths powers he divided his own powers among them also if he wasnt crippled the 6 paths would never exist

 

[Draegod]

I disagree with this. All paths in one body is worse than split into 6 bodies for 2 very important reasons : he cannot access all of them at the exact moment and his major weakness is his own body. As far as Nagato goes, his body is weak (he said so himself) and that will be his downfall.

Tobi with rinnegan is not that strong yet (stronger than pretty much everyone, but you overrate him), or else he would have dealt with the strongest shinobi by himself, and not let Kabuto (a person he can't trust) unleash his minion who may/may not help him.

You've also put Naruto on 10th place, weaker than B,Itachi and Muu? Sasuke is in the same spot? Sasuke EMS I presume right? He would be stronger than Itachi by definition only. Naruto has already proven to me that he is stronger than B and I don't really see what Muu is doing up there. I understand that you like the more "shadowed" characters and intend to bring them to light as some of the best. You've done that with Hizashi and you've tried it with Muu. However, I don't think it's applicable in this case. Naruto senses chakra so Muu's disguise would be pointless. I'm guessing EMS will keep up with naruto so Naruto/Sasuke > Muu. I've already mentioned that they are stronger than Itachi/B.

Now onto Madara and 1st Hokage. They were both very strong, but by now they are outdated. 3rd Hokage was said to have surpassed his previous in his prime right? Minato was about as strong or ever stronger than Hiruzen, hence Minato should be stronger than both Madara and Hashirama. You might say that Minato barely defeated Tobi, a downgraded version of Madara, but I would argue that old Madara perhaps did not have that particular time-space that Tobi had, or else Hashirama would be easily defeated. I believe (and it's pretty much stated in the manga) the only reason Tobi was able to survive and win some fights was because he has that particular time-space. I doubt Madara had that, or it would have been mentioned.

So Naruto/Sasuke/Minato > Madara=Hashirama

Nagato by himself would be an easy target for genjutsu so Itachi/Sasuke > Nagato. Naruto would be faster and stronger. Minato would teleport instantly and slice him.

I won't argue about Kabuto because in a fair fight, Kabuto would not start with all his summons around him, he would start from 0 and would be killed in an instant by the ones I mentioned above.

1.Tobi w/rinnegan tied with Naruto and Sasuke.
2.Minato (wouldn't defeat Tobi, but would defeat N/S)
3.Bee

I would put Itachi,Jirayia,Nagato,Madara,Hiruzen,Hashirama in top 10 as well. I hope I didn't forget anyone.

i had to bring it up so ppl would see what im talking about..

i respect your opinion but you are not making any sense bruh...

how is naruto (now) stronger then bee??? when bee has yet to show his true powers, can heal and stop all damage (ninjutsu) with sameh', can TBB, has v2 with crazy speed and power, etc etc. just because naruto is faster he and minato beats all???? that is the dumbest logic ever!!! naruto ill let slide because he has monster power behind everything he does. but minato's atks are weak! and he would slice an elite ninja with a regular kunai??? get out of here!

and just because you think madara and hashi are out dated dont mean they have been surpassed. if we go by your crazy logic then SO6P's has been surpaseed aswell right? he is beyond outdated right? get out of hear again.

you put minato on this pedistool not realizing that speed is nothing if you lack the power behind it to kill (elites). his feet are fast, his ftg is fast but his hands are regular like anyother ninja. fact, bee proved it when minato was about to strike him, bee was about to strike aswell because he knew minato was there, you get it??? now if he had nejis hands with his ftg and foot speed thennnn ill say he is the best of all time.lol but he dont..

naruto isnt that impressive yet, and sasuke have yet to be shown so im not going to say anything good or bad to be fair to sasuke..

then you said naruto can sense move because he is a sensor???? muu cannot be sensed out side of direct contact! he wipes his presence and chakra from the face of the earth

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, tsunade says that onoki is the ONLY ninja that can stop him

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and even raikage relizes this and explains to shikaku who went beserk why...

Muu- super sensor, complete invisibility, earth wind and fire, dust, fast reflexes, kage, feared and known thru out the world even by other kages.. you underestimate a man who could slice you with out you even realizing.. you are stuck on your favs (naruto, sasuke, minato, and itachi) that you know little about the other characters to have a fair arguement with.

what is your list 1-10. i wanna see this...

 

[psukkar]

I think the 1st hokage is the strongest,

He took on EMS and the fox(full power) at the same time,

But Nagato was maxed out when he took on sage naruto snd later fox mode which only has half of the fox's powers due to death god.

Madara has only praised harashima, says his the best he's seen.

I think Nagato is next on the list, but no one can compete with what harasihma did.

Harasihma vs the fox and madara speaks for itself if you ask me.


Just want to say something about nagato and genjutsu. Getting attacked by genjust via sound is impossible to aviod getting cauaght because u cant close ur ears. Genjutsu via vision is different and at least you do somthing.

Even Itachi would get caught if jiraiya did it on him. Not saying he cant despell it. But that demonic frog song genjutsu is really ridiclous like tykokmo.