Nagato is a Monster and id say is the best (outside tobi with renningan now)

[Inception]

Im pretty sure shira tensai can do some damage but anyways what about itachi chakra do you think he can even out last nagato chakra. Both of are some what evenly macthed but pain would beat itachi by just the overuse of susanoo and pain has a masssive load of chakra so how can itachi beat him.
Yata's mirror is not invincible to dodge from he can resummmon his pain somewhere else or use his deva path to make a sheild to protect him self from it.:flaw:

Yata's Mirror changes it's own property to "adapt" to enemy attacks. In other words, it can repel all attacks.

Pain can outlast Itachi because of his immense chakra so you're right about that.

 

[JakeLife510]

Muu? Erases his chakra presence but yet him and the 2nd mizukage died together in a battle vs each other.

Top 10 I don't think so maybe 25

Yo yes Itachi is strong best genjutsu user ever. Also we don't know if he killed himself using a genjutsu technique.

But honestly how will Itachi be able to find Muu when he goes invisible? Spam amertasu everywhere? Swing sussano sword everywhere?

 

[ReLax -]

Yo yes Itachi is strong best genjutsu user ever. Also we don't know if he killed himself using a genjutsu technique.

But honestly how will Itachi be able to find Muu when he goes invisible? Spam amertasu everywhere? Swing sussano sword everywhere?

Well see the fact that you keep saying Muu is strong due to his invisibility tech. So how did he lose to the 2nd Mizukage? Maybe the 2nd Mizukage also should be mention in the top 10 since he took out Muu a long with himself or vise versa right? Muu doesn't jump into invisibility right away in a battle and it may have some flaws which we don't know of yet. If you continue on saying Muu would go invisibility than I can just say right when Itachi see Muu (or anyone else he battles) that 1 sec he could capture him in a genjutsu and its over but it doesn't work like that. It would be hard to find Muu but were not sure if he can use any techs' while he is invisible which may come to saying he will exits the invincibility in order to use his techs. and he also has been beaten/defeated/killed. If I'm wrong correct me may have missed something but I still think we don't know enough to be ranking him in the top 10 yet.

 

[arv993]

Well see the fact that you keep saying Muu is strong due to his invisibility tech. So how did he lose to the 2nd Mizukage? Maybe the 2nd Mizukage also should be mention in the top 10 since he took out Muu a long with himself or vise versa right? Muu doesn't jump into invisibility right away in a battle and it may have some flaws which we don't know of yet. If you continue on saying Muu would go invisibility than I can just say right when Itachi see Muu (or anyone else he battles) that 1 sec he could capture him in a genjutsu and its over but it doesn't work like that. It would be hard to find Muu but were not sure if he can use any techs' while he is invisible which may come to saying he will exits the invincibility in order to use his techs. and he also has been beaten/defeated/killed. If I'm wrong correct me may have missed something but I still think we don't know enough to be ranking him in the top 10 yet.

It was a tie becos they both died and yea we don't kno about him enough to be in the top 10

 

[Anub]

Yo yes Itachi is strong best genjutsu user ever. Also we don't know if he killed himself using a genjutsu technique.

But honestly how will Itachi be able to find Muu when he goes invisible? Spam amertasu everywhere? Swing sussano sword everywhere?

Tracks. Wherever they will be fighting, there will be tracks. Sharingan picks up everything, so he will surely pick up any changes on the terrain. Also, Itachi can use some tech similar to the one Kakashi used against him at the beginning of shippuden. He surely has some up his sleeves.

 

[JakeLife510]

Well also we don't know how the fight went down. Muu could have been owning the Mizu all day and the only tech the mizu had that could damage Muu was a suicide kill move that was on par with Deidara's.

 

[JakeLife510]

Tracks. Wherever they will be fighting, there will be tracks. Sharingan picks up everything, so he will surely pick up any changes on the terrain. Also, Itachi can use some tech similar to the one Kakashi used against him at the beginning of shippuden. He surely has some up his sleeves.

Muu has Flight as well.

 

[Inception]

Muu has Flight as well.

No he doesn't.

 

[ackeem1992]

So based off the recent chapter its safe to say Nagato is nearly unstoppable! he has all 6 paths of pain powers in one body, and that is to muvh for any ninja.

absorb all ninjutsu, summon crazy monsters, weapons/missiles, gravity, shinra/chibaku tensei, revive the dead, instant death if grabbed, gedo mazou, all elements, etc etc . plus his huge huge huge amount of chakra. i think he is literally the perfect ninja (out side madara with renningan ofc).

who can defeat him if he starts off with 6 paths of pain then you have to find and face nagato with all there powers in one body???

my list goes
0- SO6P, dont count him since he is like the god of naruto
1- Tobi with renningan; cant touch him, genjutsu, renningan abilitys, teleports, etc etc
2- Nagato, nuff said (or kabuto and him switch)
3-Kabuto- he is just getting started with these edo summons
4- 1st hokage,

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5- Madara Uchiha with EMS, the one that fought onoki and hashirama
6- Muu;

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if you dont have Muu in your top 5 or 10 you are not a true fair fan..
7- minato, ofc (or 3rd hokage)
8-itachi, could switch with minato
9- Killer bee, could switch with itachi and minato
10- naruto or sasuke (but they will be one and two in the future ofc..)

if you disagree come at me, but pls no noobs..

i love this thread alot, nagato pawns all

 

[ReLax -]

Well also we don't know how the fight went down. Muu could have been owning the Mizu all day and the only tech the mizu had that could damage Muu was a suicide kill move that was on par with Deidara's.

Or the Mizukage was slapping Muu around, which was leading to his death and he used a tech. that end his and Mizukage life. This way also works

 

[Draegod]

Well see the fact that you keep saying Muu is strong due to his invisibility tech. So how did he lose to the 2nd Mizukage? Maybe the 2nd Mizukage also should be mention in the top 10 since he took out Muu a long with himself or vise versa right? Muu doesn't jump into invisibility right away in a battle and it may have some flaws which we don't know of yet. If you continue on saying Muu would go invisibility than I can just say right when Itachi see Muu (or anyone else he battles) that 1 sec he could capture him in a genjutsu and its over but it doesn't work like that. It would be hard to find Muu but were not sure if he can use any techs' while he is invisible which may come to saying he will exits the invincibility in order to use his techs. and he also has been beaten/defeated/killed. If I'm wrong correct me may have missed something but I still think we don't know enough to be ranking him in the top 10 yet.

you are not paying attention... the invisiblity is irrelevant to his powers, what makes him a super bad ass is the dust realease original user and inventer!3 elements (earth, wind and fire), super sensor who can sense ANYTHING! and to add it all off (now i bring were it is deadly) he can do all this while being invisible to everything!

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Muu was the only one to sense and dodge the sand, thats like being on water and dodging water splashed by just walking!

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he can wipe you from just one move! and can destroy and entire army (or island since him and onoki have the same power)

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instantly in the middle of a fierce battle went invisible! fact!

Tracks. Wherever they will be fighting, there will be tracks. Sharingan picks up everything, so he will surely pick up any changes on the terrain. Also, Itachi can use some tech similar to the one Kakashi used against him at the beginning of shippuden. He surely has some up his sleeves.

if in the desert, or ripples on water yes! but regularly no! plus he could just use shadow clones to confuse you while invisible.. and dont forget about the earth fire and wind techs! Muu is just an all around hard ninja to defeat! but you will never admitt that unless his/her name is (naruto, sasuke, minato, itachi) or other main main stream ninjas..

overall the weakest and lamest excuse ppl use to defeat muu is "genjutsu", when it i A FACT that not all genjutsu are the same and will work THE EXACT SAME WAY! only noobs say,"itachi is the best gen user ever, he could surely beat him". when itachi and the mizu are nothing alike or do not fight silimilar in anyway, shape, or form! itachi may possibly be the best gen user, but that doesnt mean his gen will work the same way jmans song gen works or the mizus clam jutsu works!

some of you make no sense (not you anub and some of the others) i swear!!! U_U

 

[psukkar]

@ people who are comparing toad's genjutsu vs. Tsukiyomi. Please stop. Jiraiya's genjutsu was powerful but it does not do anything but paralyze the foe. He still has to walk up to them and kill them himself, thus ending the genjutsu. Itachi's Tsukiyomi on the other hand alters time in the enemy's mind. One second could be days. Not only that, he can kill using his Tsukiyomi. He does not have to harm them physically, Tsukiyomi does that. (Kakashi and Sasuke in bed for weeks)

@ people who are saying Muu is the strongest. Yes, he may be one of the strongest characters so far but he died to a genjutsu user. I know he killed the Mizukage too but he himself was also killed. Tsukiyomi is said to the strongest genjutsu that exists (confirmed by Zetsu) so I'm not sure how you're comparing the Mizukage's genjutsu to Tsukiyomi.

In the recent chapter, we saw that Itachi is just as capable in taijutsu, kenjutsu and ninjutsu as he is in genjutsu. He's keeping up with Bee's kenjutsu and taijutsu while keeping him busy with nin and genjutsu. He has not even used his MS yet. Reminder, Bee is A LOT stronger than he was back then all because of Samehada.

And finally Nagato. Yes, Nagato is very powerful but even he cannot get past Itachi's Susano'o. He can surely outlast it as he's got tons of stamina but how can he avoid being sealed? How is he going to get past Yata's Mirror? Nagato can beat Itachi but not when Susano'o is up.

What makes you think the legendary weapons are invincble? in part 1 we were told the kasagi sword can peirece anything then naruto made it look like a STICK in part 2. NOTHING is INVINCIBLE kishi has shown us this all the time. Also the fact u rely so much on that shield which doesnt belong to itachi's powers downplays itachi alot compared to guys like nagato and harashima that dont need such weapons.

Also but your probally not willing to acept this but itachi uses the sheild to overcome sassano weakness of needing to waste chakra on repairing sassano from damage. Which falls in quite well since he was sick when we last saw him.

You think that shield would protect u from shinra tensei that can wipe out a village or chika tensei that can subdue a tailled beast? Whats next ur gonna say that shield can take a beast bomb, seriuoult dude be rational. Also nagato can absorb those black flames by the way.

The only chance itachi has is genjutsu, if that doesn't work he finshed. And rinnegan users have their own method of FORCED control unlike genjutsu. Also if nagato is using th 6 pains tech then tkusi is useless as it only can catch one body at a time while jiraiya's could catch multiple at a time. Thats why its a strong jutsu if your wondering. And itachi hasnt got the chkara to spam tuks on 6 to 7 bodies.

Itachi is good, but he has limits if your will to accept them. BY the way this has been a common occurance in naruto history of sharingan guys faillin short. Madara the strongest of all uchiha is a big case in point.

And by the way zetsu doesnt know much about all matters of what is stronger than what, he didnt even recogize sassano, where danzo, kahashi and some other recginused it immiatetky.

 

[arv993]

What makes you think the legendary weapons are invincble? in part 1 we were told the kasagi sword can peirece anything then naruto made it look like a STICK in part 2. NOTHING is INVINCIBLE kishi has shown us this all the time. Also the fact u rely so much on that shield which doesnt belong to itachi's powers downplays itachi alot compared to guys like nagato and harashima that dont need such weapons.

Also but your probally not willing to acept this but itachi uses the sheild to overcome sassano weakness of needing to waste chakra on repairing sassano from damage. Which falls in quite well since he was sick when we last saw him.

You think that shield would protect u from shinra tensei that can wipe out a village or chika tensei that can subdue a tailled beast? Whats next ur gonna say that shield can take a beast bomb, seriuoult dude be rational. Also nagato can absorb those black flames by the way.

The only chance itachi has is genjutsu, if that doesn't work he finshed. And rinnegan users have their own method of FORCED control unlike genjutsu. Also if nagato is using th 6 pains tech then tkusi is useless as it only can catch one body at a time while jiraiya's could catch multiple at a time. Thats why its a strong jutsu if your wondering. And itachi hasnt got the chkara to spam tuks on 6 to 7 bodies.

Itachi is good, but he has limits if your will to accept them. BY the way this has been a common occurance in naruto history of sharingan guys faillin short. Madara the strongest of all uchiha is a big case in point.

And by the way zetsu doesnt know much about all matters of what is stronger than what, he didnt even recogize sassano, where danzo, kahashi and some other recginused it immiatetky.

i am not underestimating nagato but itachi(healthy) has a chance at beating pain. Itachi is really fast (faster than naruto in sage mode and can attack him head with any of his katon or even finish him off with amaterasu if he needs to but it depends if it is a close range or long range fight, and his technique the big shinra tensei takes a good few seconds because he has to summon a great deal of chakra to use and at that point one amaterasu its done and we don't kno for a fact that genjutsu does not work well against nagato don't give me that rinnegan> sharingan. Itachi is stronger than sage ode naruto and can take out the other paths of pain with moderate difficulty his regular ninjutsu is good enough to take most of them on. reasons why he is better than sage mode naruto because he is faster, his techs are faster, he has great genjutsu (tsukiyomi), has great defense (susano) where as naruto had a really tough time overcoming shinra tensei due to his lack of speed but one thing naruto had is raw power which itachi does not have to his extent and itachi is also smart and calculated and can take pain on with good tactics. Itachi has a good chance if he actually fights him he has a good chance of winning and if it is a one on one i would most likely give to itachi .

 

[psukkar]

i am not underestimating nagato but itachi(healthy) has a chance at beating pain. Itachi is really fast (faster than naruto in sage mode and can attack him head with any of his katon or even finish him off with amaterasu if he needs to but it depends if it is a close range or long range fight, and his technique the big shinra tensei takes a good few seconds because he has to summon a great deal of chakra to use and at that point one amaterasu its done and we don't kno for a fact that genjutsu does not work well against nagato don't give me that rinnegan> sharingan. Itachi is stronger than sage ode naruto and can take out the other paths of pain with moderate difficulty his regular ninjutsu is good enough to take most of them on. reasons why he is better than sage mode naruto because he is faster, his techs are faster, he has great genjutsu (tsukiyomi), has great defense (susano) where as naruto had a really tough time overcoming shinra tensei due to his lack of speed but one thing naruto had is raw power which itachi does not have to his extent and itachi is also smart and calculated and can take pain on with good tactics. Itachi has a good chance if he actually fights him he has a good chance of winning and if it is a one on one i would most likely give to itachi .

1v1?

u mean if nagato wasnt paralysed and could use all his power in one body. All powers in one body itachi has even worse chance at winning.

Itachi isnt that fast your overhyping him. Sage naruto is faster, kahashi and itachi have simular speeds.

And the rinnegan is GREATER than sharingan, you dont need to discuss something as obvious as that. And besides Madara thinks the rinnegan is the best, thats why he got it didnr just rely on ems.

 

[arv993]

1v1?

u mean if nagato wasnt paralysed and could use all his power in one body. All powers in one body itachi has even worse chance at winning.

Itachi isnt that fast your overhyping him. Sage naruto is faster, kahashi and itachi have simular speeds.

And the rinnegan is GREATER than sharingan, you dont need to discuss something as obvious as that. And besides Madara thinks the rinnegan is the best, thats why he got it didnr just rely on ems.

according to the databook he is faster and naruto really never gains any real speed boosts from sage mode and no i'm not overhyping him and i did not said that would help him not win the fight, the thing that would win him the fight against the yahiko body is his fast attack which is amaterasu, there is no way he can dodge that. Are you kidding me nagato in body is still strong but not as good as ppl vs one that was one of the hardest things for naruto and jiraya to counter when they were facing because he their eyes were linked and extremely deadly when used together but alone he loses a lot of those capabilities. I kno the rinnegan is better than the sharingan but it is not an automatic win for someone just because they have the rinnegan and pain can still fall in Itachi's genjustsu if it is his real body 1v1. think about it if nagato by himself was stronger than him with six bodies why didn't he come out into konoha and try to beat naruto by himself it is because he is a lot more effective and deadly with 6 bodies instead of one. I am saying the fight can go both ways but Itachi has a good chance and ppl just dismiss that he can't win because he has a sharingan.

 

[Inception]

What makes you think the legendary weapons are invincble? in part 1 we were told the kasagi sword can peirece anything then naruto made it look like a STICK in part 2. NOTHING is INVINCIBLE kishi has shown us this all the time. Also the fact u rely so much on that shield which doesnt belong to itachi's powers downplays itachi alot compared to guys like nagato and harashima that dont need such weapons.

Until it says otherwise, I'm going to stick with what it says on the manga up to this point. Yata Mirror with Blade of Totsuka makes Itachi nearly invincible.

Also but your probally not willing to acept this but itachi uses the sheild to overcome sassano weakness of needing to waste chakra on repairing sassano from damage. Which falls in quite well since he was sick when we last saw him.

How does cooking up some fresh bullshit make you feel?

You think that shield would protect u from shinra tensei that can wipe out a village or chika tensei that can subdue a tailled beast? Whats next ur gonna say that shield can take a beast bomb, seriuoult dude be rational. Also nagato can absorb those black flames by the way.

LMFAO. Did you even read the Itachi vs. Sasuke fight? Sasuke destroyed the whole Uchiha hideout and much more with Kirin yet Itachi was still standing. Kirin is much more faster than Shinra Tensei and UNAVOIDABLE. Take in account that Nagato went through a large "unable to use my God realm power" phase right after he destroyed the village. Nagato can absorb the black flames, yep but he also shares a vision with all 6 paths. One Tsukiyomi is enough.

The only chance itachi has is genjutsu, if that doesn't work he finshed. And rinnegan users have their own method of FORCED control unlike genjutsu. Also if nagato is using th 6 pains tech then tkusi is useless as it only can catch one body at a time while jiraiya's could catch multiple at a time. Thats why its a strong jutsu if your wondering. And itachi hasnt got the chkara to spam tuks on 6 to 7 bodies.

Only chance? I think Susano'o is a much better technique. Itachi HAS the chakra. Are you blind or just stupid? He was able to cast Tsukiyomi, several Amaterasu spam and Susano'o ON THE VERGE OF DEATH, not to mention he kept his Susano'o up for quiet a while. Nagato shares vision with all 6 bodies, he sees what they see. One brain, 7 bodies. Tsukiyomi effects the mind. You can guess where I'm going with this.

Itachi is good, but he has limits if your will to accept them. BY the way this has been a common occurance in naruto history of sharingan guys faillin short. Madara the strongest of all uchiha is a big case in point.

I'm not sure how this is relevant info? If you want to throw out random bullshit, I'll do the same. Madara, the almighty Uchiha as you call him, was scared of Itachi. He mentioned that if Itachi knew his secret, he would be dead. This is the same guy who USED Nagato as a pawn. He was even ordering him around in front of Konan to which Konan took defence. Go back and read it.

And by the way zetsu doesnt know much about all matters of what is stronger than what, he didnt even recogize sassano, where danzo, kahashi and some other recginused it immiatetky.

Are you really this stupid? Read the ****ing manga before you post. The White Zetsu had no idea what it was but the Black Zetsu had knowledge on ALL of Itachi's techniques. He even mentioned how Itachi was not dodging attacks he normally could. They were narrating the fight from Tsukiyomi to Amaterasu to Susano'o. Black Zetsu explained the Yata Mirror/ Blade of Totsuka and mentioned how Oro was searching for it. Read the goddamn manga.

I feel like I'm repeating things that are found in the manga.

 

[YIN YANG]

according to the databook he is faster and naruto really never gains any real speed boosts from sage mode and no i'm not overhyping him and i did not said that would help him not win the fight, the thing that would win him the fight against the yahiko body is his fast attack which is amaterasu, there is no way he can dodge that. Are you kidding me nagato in body is still strong but not as good as ppl vs one that was one of the hardest things for naruto and jiraya to counter when they were facing because he their eyes were linked and extremely deadly when used together but alone he loses a lot of those capabilities. I kno the rinnegan is better than the sharingan but it is not an automatic win for someone just because they have the rinnegan and pain can still fall in Itachi's genjustsu if it is his real body 1v1. think about it if nagato by himself was stronger than him with six bodies why didn't he come out into konoha and try to beat naruto by himself it is because he is a lot more effective and deadly with 6 bodies instead of one. I am saying the fight can go both ways but Itachi has a good chance and ppl just dismiss that he can't win because he has a sharingan.

Have you seen the abilities of six path of pain
I mean itachi is good but when you fight pain using genjutsu will only slow him down a little and genjutsu is Itachi's main ability and pain's special abilties will just make it to hard for itachi to win but itachi other ms tech like amaterasu will get absorbed and the deva path shinra tensai wll be able to handle susano until itachi can't provide anymore chakra for it:flaw:

 

[Inception]

1v1?
Itachi isnt that fast your overhyping him. Sage naruto is faster, kahashi and itachi have simular speeds.

And the rinnegan is GREATER than sharingan, you dont need to discuss something as obvious as that. And besides Madara thinks the rinnegan is the best, thats why he got it didnr just rely on ems.

Itachi has similar speed to Kakashi? Kakashi couldn't keep up with Itachi's speed WITH sharingan in part one lol.

Rinnegan may be known as the best eye dojutsu but an intelligent Sharingan user can very well defeat an experienced Rinnegan user. These kinds of events have happened in the manga.

And Itachi's main abilities are not genjutsu. He is a genjutsu user but he is extremely skilled in both Taijutsu and Ninjutsu as seen from the recent chapter.

 

[arv993]

Have you seen the abilities of six path of pain
I mean itachi is good but when you fight pain using genjutsu will only slow him down a little and genjutsu is Itachi's main ability and pain's special abilties will just make it to hard for itachi to win but itachi other ms tech like amaterasu will get absorbed and the deva path shinra tensai wll be able to handle susano until itachi can't provide anymore chakra for it:flaw:

Itachi is a genjutsu master don't underestimate his tsukiyomi and like you said if he slows nagato down all he has to do is use amaterasu(instant attack) finish the fight becos in a 1v1 battle once itachi gets him in genjustsu he can't absorb anything anymore. Yes his abilities are amazing but it is too slow and has weakpoint such a 5 second cool down. If 6 vs 1 itachi is also proficient in taijutsus and ninjustsu and can take out the six paths with high difficulty and probably have to resort to susano and amaterasu. Pain's abilities are good but can be stopped because it has key fatal weaknesses like the time required or the way that yahiko's body(pain) is so vulnerable to like amaterasu and cannot be stopped by absorbing it becos the body who absorbs is not fast enough to block and absorb it, amaterasu is an instantaneous attack. Itachi would have exhaust himself and fight to the death but he has a good chance to win. The rinnegan maybe amazing but the level at which itachi uses his sharingan is effective and can help him defeat nagato.

 

[YIN YANG]

Itachi is a genjutsu master don't underestimate his tsukiyomi and like you said if he slows nagato down all he has to do is use amaterasu(instant attack) finish the fight becos in a 1v1 battle once itachi gets him in genjustsu he can't absorb anything anymore. Yes his abilities are amazing but it is too slow and has weakpoint such a 5 second cool down. If 6 vs 1 itachi is also proficient in taijutsus and ninjustsu and can take out the six paths with high difficulty and probably have to resort to susano and amaterasu. Pain's abilities are good but can be stopped because it has key fatal weaknesses like the time required or the way that yahiko's body(pain) is so vulnerable to like amaterasu and cannot be stopped by absorbing it becos the body who absorbs is not fast enough to block and absorb it, amaterasu is an instantaneous attack. Itachi would have exhaust himself and fight to the death but he has a good chance to win. The rinnegan maybe amazing but the level at which itachi uses his sharingan is effective and can help him defeat nagato.

pain fights in formation and would put his absorber out in front so that he can take itachi ninjutsu and pain could just use planetary devastation on itachi can susanoo get out of that and amerterasu would take too long to just get out of that planetary devastation technique and itachi would die from overuse of chakra that jutsu alone should break itachi suanoo and kill Itachi.:flaw::flaw:

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