dumb way to counter my point. Butsuma doesn't have Mokuton........ only Hashirama in all History has had Mokuton.........
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dumb way to counter my point. Butsuma doesn't have Mokuton........ only Hashirama in all History has had Mokuton.........
If Obito has Hashi's cells don't you think he'll be able to identify the bunshin clones?Hashirama wins.
Firstly Tobirama another jikuukin user has been put below Hashirama and Madara and as Madara himself said. Only hashirama can compete with him and he is right, Tobirama is no match for either. Using Tobirama to show you that, though jukakkun based ninjutsu is strong, still not strong enough for tobirama to compete with either
The thing about Obito is that unlike madara he cannot control kurama for a long time period.
It appears minato was wrong when he said, madara can only control the beast for a short time, but we can see that madara controlled it for a very long time until hashirama broke the genjutsu.
In order words it will not be long before obito losses control of the beast.
Now kamui is an annoying technique indeed, however it isn't absolute. All those that have fought obito have at least grasped the basics of how it works and you would think hashirama who is this experienced would also at least come up with the basic, which is that obito has to harden to attack.
Now only madara can see through hsahirama mokuton. (Before somebody says otherwise due to the latest chapter, i believe that was intentional by madara so lets see it at that). Mokuton bunshin's which cannot be identify by obito, will prove a very effective counter for kamui, if obito is tricked into believing he is warping the original.
Bunshin feints is an effective strategy against a lot of things it seems and kamui, either kakashi's or obito's could fall for this.
Complete izanagi on the other hand, is where the trouble is. We can assume obito will not sacrifice his eye from the start, so when he decides to use izanagi will be latter in the fight where we can assume by then hashirama has at least grasped kamui.
I have always said, izanagi + kamui combo is a bitch. But hashirama is a sensor and the force of nature is on his side. You would think it would be hard to sneak up on him.
Imo hashirama has this in the bag
Clones wont work, he can just warp them out once he realizes it was a clone. Tobi cant cant be blind sided either look at what happened to kakashi and gai when they tried.Hashirama wins.
Firstly Tobirama another jikuukin user has been put below Hashirama and Madara and as Madara himself said. Only hashirama can compete with him and he is right, Tobirama is no match for either. Using Tobirama to show you that, though jukakkun based ninjutsu is strong, still not strong enough for tobirama to compete with either
The thing about Obito is that unlike madara he cannot control kurama for a long time period.
It appears minato was wrong when he said, madara can only control the beast for a short time, but we can see that madara controlled it for a very long time until hashirama broke the genjutsu.
In order words it will not be long before obito losses control of the beast.
Now kamui is an annoying technique indeed, however it isn't absolute. All those that have fought obito have at least grasped the basics of how it works and you would think hashirama who is this experienced would also at least come up with the basic, which is that obito has to harden to attack.
Now only madara can see through hsahirama mokuton. (Before somebody says otherwise due to the latest chapter, i believe that was intentional by madara so lets see it at that). Mokuton bunshin's which cannot be identify by obito, will prove a very effective counter for kamui, if obito is tricked into believing he is warping the original.
Bunshin feints is an effective strategy against a lot of things it seems and kamui, either kakashi's or obito's could fall for this.
Complete izanagi on the other hand, is where the trouble is. We can assume obito will not sacrifice his eye from the start, so when he decides to use izanagi will be latter in the fight where we can assume by then hashirama has at least grasped kamui.
I have always said, izanagi + kamui combo is a bitch. But hashirama is a sensor and the force of nature is on his side. You would think it would be hard to sneak up on him.
Imo hashirama has this in the bag
A S/T technique stated to be below Obito's and a technique he apparently wasn't even able to master given the fact he was incapable to escape Kin/Gin or save himself or his pupils against 20bounty hunters in 2different occasions. Funny for someone supposed to have a teleportation techniqueHashirama wins.
Firstly Tobirama another jikuukin user has been put below Hashirama and Madara
Talking about portrayal now? Kabuto also said he is invincible, no Uchiha is a match for him. We all know how it endedand as Madara himself said. Only hashirama can compete with him and he is right, Tobirama is no match for either.
It's the way around man. Minato was saying "Madara" couldn't control Kyubi for a long period of time, not Obito. He was basing his knowledge on Madara, not a masked guy he didn't know at allThe thing about Obito is that unlike madara he cannot control kurama for a long time period.
This is yet to be proven that he can't control it for long and when you see him able to control multiple tailed beast during one day long or so, it's really doubtfulIn order words it will not be long before obito losses control of the beast.
Yeah that's kinda trueI don't think Obito has the offensive capabilities to do damage to Hashirama.
The clone would have to know exactly were obito is going to be in his dimension in respect to were he is in the real world,Clones will work in the sense that when obito absorbs he becomes solid. Fooling him with a clone where he is in the process of warping and vulnerable could be enough to get him.
Or if your clone is in his dimension, it could prove very effective because now, he has a dilemma.
If the original attacks him on the outside and he was to blast this part of his body in his dimension, the clone can do the job there
You mean the guy who could have been killed by a kunai?Yeah that's kinda true
We have no idea what jikkukin he had, outside of edo tensei.A S/T technique stated to be below Obito's and a technique he apparently wasn't even able to master given the fact he was incapable to escape Kin/Gin or save himself or his pupils against 20bounty hunters in 2different occasions. Funny for someone supposed to have a teleportation techniqueWhether it's even a teleportation technique is yet to be know when you know that summoning jutsu can also be considered as a S/T technique
Yes, but manga has portrayed these two to be the cream of the crop. The benchmark for the two main characters in the series. Now i am not saying they aren't unbeatable, but it would be very hardTalking about portrayal now? Kabuto also said he is invincible, no Uchiha is a match for him. We all know how it ended
But we know minato was wrong. In fact that statement i put in the same bracket as what kushina said about mito.It's the way around man. Minato was saying "Madara" couldn't control Kyubi for a long period of time, not Obito. He was basing his knowledge on Madara, not a masked guy he didn't know at all
Kakashi noted obito's struggleThis is yet to be proven that he can't control it for long and when you see him able to control multiple tailed beast during one day long or so, it's really doubtful
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Who else had Mokuton besides him?[/U]
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but being a sensor isnt much of a help since obito cant be sensed cause he is moving himself to another dimensionBut hashirama is a sensor and the force of nature is on his side. You would think it would be hard to sneak up on him.
If doesn;t take forever for him to warp something, but as konna said "you take longer to absorb something or someone else"d
The clone would have to know exactly were obito is going to be in his dimension in respect to were he is in the real world,
They cant communicate since they are in different worlds.
You act as if it takes forever for him to warp something, when he sees the attack he can simply stop the warp and go intangible.