MS Obito in Madara's place against Hashirama

[Bogard]

We have no idea what jikkukin he had, outside of edo tensei.
What i am saying is that jikkukin user has already been put below these two

That's like saying that all Susanoo users have been put to be below Hashirama because Itachi and Sasuke are weaker when Madara(another Susanoo user) is on a comparable level. It depends on the level and skills. Itachi's or Sasuke's Susanoo is nowhere near Madara's level exactly like Tobirama's is nowhere near Obito's

Yes, but manga has portrayed these two to be the cream of the crop. The benchmark for the two main characters in the series. Now i am not saying they aren't unbeatable, but it would be very hard

Like Obito is also portrayed to be one of the main antagonist of the end of this manga if not the main one who even made Madara his bitch

But we know minato was wrong. In fact that statement i put in the same bracket as what kushina said about mito.
Both have been proven false. Mito was no where to be seen. And madara controlled the beast for a ridiculous time period.

It's possible that Mito came and sealed Kyubi after the fight. In this case, what Kushina said wasn't necessarly wrong. Also we've not seen the entire fight. At the begin of the fight it was already night:

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When both use Perfect Susanoo and Shinsusenju here:

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We see them approaching here:

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And attacking here:

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It's directly after that Hashirama stopped Kyubi:

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and at that point the fight didn't last as long as you think. And later Kishi skipped it to the point where we see them exhausted when it was raining during that same night. Kyubi was already stopped by Hashirama long before that. So it didn't last as long as you think

Kakashi noted obito's struggle

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It has to be said that, controlling this many beasts did hamper obito.
But can he control kurama for the same duration as madara?. I very much doubt this, if are to assume he has the same reserves as him

Yes he struggled a bit, but we are talking about 5Tailed beast here, not just one and even so, later he was able to control them again and even in their full form without problems, launching multiple Tailed Beast bombs, attacking, etc It's very likely that Obito even has more chakra reserve than EMS Madara judging by the fact he has Senju DNA, which offers him a great boost in stamina, even allowing him to live without eating or drinking. Just notice what Senju DNA did to Danzo(a non-Uchiha). He could use Kotoamatsukami multiple times when the one who even unlocked the jutsu can only use it 1time every decades. That same Danzo without control of Senju DNA could only use Izanagi for 1minute when Obito can make it last 10minutes. All that shows the difference in chakra and control between a normal Uchiha and someone with Senju DNA

 

[Sensational]

And do you believe Hashi is fast enough to take advantage of this. When even a jinton couldn't surpass its speed?

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Also here we can see that obito can easily switch from absorbing and going intangible

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[Strict]

Common guys, Hashirama is the most haxxed character seen in the Manga so far next to Edo Madara.

Without getting offense, but I thing some of you are very naive. To beat a man like Hashirama, Tobi didn't have to have any problems in fighting Danzos Dogs and Konan. Hashirama is just a level, Sharingan Obito shouldn't be brought together with. Really not.

 

[Enton]

Common guys, Hashirama is the most haxxed character seen in the Manga so far next to Edo Madara.

Without getting offense, but I thing some of you are very naive. To beat a man like Hashirama, Tobi didn't have to have any problems in fighting Danzos Dogs and Konan. Hashirama is just a level, Sharingan Obito shouldn't be brought together with. Really not.

why are you acting as if obito cant copy some of the techniques with the sharingan? especially wood clone

 

[Fecal Matter]

why are you acting as if obito cant copy some of the techniques with the sharingan? especially wood clone

Going by that logic, he can copy all of Hashirama's wood style moves.Sharingan can't copy Kekkei Genkai moves.

 

[7Zero]

Hashirama wins.

All those that have fought obito have at least grasped the basics of how it works and you would think hashirama who is this experienced would also at least come up with the basic, which is that obito has to harden to attack.

Name one person who fought Obito 1 on 1, grasped the basics of his technique and lived.

I have always said, izanagi + kamui combo is a bitch. But hashirama is a sensor and the force of nature is on his side. You would think it would be hard to sneak up on him.

Imo hashirama has this in the bag

I smell troll.

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Who else had Mokuton besides him?

Derp Obito?

 

[Enton]

Going by that logic, he can copy all of Hashirama's wood style moves.Sharingan can't copy Kekkei Genkai moves.

obviously he can because he has the wood release kekkei genkai.

 

[Blaze Release]

but being a sensor isnt much of a help since obito cant be sensed cause he is moving himself to another dimension
if obito is moving through ground behind hashirama, he will only be able to sense obito when he comes out of the ground
hashirama can attack him by turning back but obito can again slip through and touch him

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Its not only obito that can move through the ground. Kagero is also available to him.
Yes it will prove somewhat difficult, but you forget an abilit of hashirama which is that, he can grow part of his body.

This ability will allow him to possible break free from obito.
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sfx: Breaking off.

Bogard id like to continue this, but i will not.
Vs threads never end with changing anybodies mind.

What am i saying. **** this shit, hashirama uses bringer of darkness.
What is obito warping when he cannot see. With this technique and hashirama being a sensor, he would do juts fine. Good luck to obito firstly trying to depend on his other senses, just to live while hashirama has the force of nature and other abilities on his side to help him come out.

Come to think of it, bringer of darkness seems like a very nice counter to kamui either kakashi's or obito

 

[Bogard]

Its not only obito that can move through the ground. Kagero is also available to him.
Yes it will prove somewhat difficult, but you forget an abilit of hashirama which is that, he can grow part of his body.

This ability will allow him to possible break free from obito.
Example:

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sfx: Breaking off.

Bogard id like to continue this, but i will not.
Vs threads never end with changing anybodies mind.

What am i saying. **** this shit, hashirama uses bringer of darkness.
What is obito warping when he cannot see. With this technique and hashirama being a sensor, he would do juts fine. Good luck to obito firstly trying to depend on his other senses, just to live while hashirama has the force of nature and other abilities on his side to help him come out.

Come to think of it, bringer of darkness seems like a very nice counter to kamui either kakashi's or obito

Problem is that it's stated that his sensing skills terribly lacks compared to Tobirama and probably Minato's as well and even Minato only sensed at the last moment when he was trying a sneaky attack on him. Problem with Obito's kamui like i've already said is that when his body is in the other dimension, it can't be sensed. Because of this, it favourises greatly sneaky attacks.

PS: Np if you can't continue btw

 

[Enton]

well i say obito uses his sharingan and wood release to copy hashirama's wood clone jutsu. madara's clones could use ms jutsu (susano) so obito's would be able to use kamui. now hashirama is in big trouble. also, bringer of darkness is only short to mid ranged jutsu, and if obito gets close enough to hashi for him to use it, 1st hokage probably gets warped.

 

[Strict]

Madara had an enormous level of Chakra at his life time, against the Kage he was an Edo. Itachis clone claimed that he couldn't use Mangekyo techniques. So what makes you believe that Obitos Chakra level would be much higher? The Chakra of the user is spread between the clones, Kamui lasts 5 minutes. So if two bunshin will use it, he will reduce the time of usage already significantly. Hashirama could still use a dozen of Mokuton Bunshin after changing the landscape and using pollen.

 

[7Zero]

well i say obito uses his sharingan and wood release to copy hashirama's wood clone jutsu. madara's clones could use ms jutsu (susano) so obito's would be able to use kamui. now hashirama is in big trouble. also, bringer of darkness is only short to mid ranged jutsu, and if obito gets close enough to hashi for him to use it, 1st hokage probably gets warped.

I can't wait to see someone try and counter this.

 

[Enton]

Madara had an enormous level of Chakra at his life time, against the Kage he was an Edo. Itachis clone claimed that he couldn't use Mangekyo techniques. So what makes you believe that Obitos Chakra level would be higher? The Chakra of the user is spread between the clones, Kamui lasts 5 minutes. So if two bunshin will use it, he will reduce the time of usage already significantly. Hashirama could still use a dozen of Mokuton Bunshin after changing the landscape and using pollen.

why comparing obito's chakra to itachi's? obito controlled 5 tailed beasts and gedo mazo while fighting kakashi, bee, naruto and gai. do you know how much chakra you need to control 5 tailed beasts??? do you understand these levels? they have been fighting for so long. and now he and madara even have enough to control the 10 tails. obito summoned the 9 tails at 14. the frog told jiraiya that it was impossible for a human to do such a thing. only madara in history had done it before. again shows how great obito's chakra reserves are. the chakra gets split, it doesn't mean the technique gets shorter. were madara's wood clones' susanos weaker x25??? no. all obito's clones will be able to use kamui. obito's clones will cause major problems when they use kamui. also, will flower tree world even work on obito? he has hashirama's cells, he doesn;t even have to eat or sleep.

 

[Bogard]

Madara had an enormous level of Chakra at his life time, against the Kage he was an Edo. Itachis clone claimed that he couldn't use Mangekyo techniques. So what makes you believe that Obitos Chakra level would be much higher? The Chakra of the user is spread between the clones, Kamui lasts 5 minutes. So if two bunshin will use it, he will reduce the time of usage already significantly. Hashirama could still use a dozen of Mokuton Bunshin after changing the landscape and using pollen.

Like i've said:

It's very likely that Obito even has more chakra reserve than EMS Madara judging by the fact he has Senju DNA, which offers him a great boost in stamina, even allowing him to live without eating or drinking.

Just notice what Senju DNA did to Danzo(a non-Uchiha). He could use Kotoamatsukami multiple times when the one who even unlocked the jutsu can only use it 1time every decades. That same Danzo without control of Senju DNA could only use Izanagi for 1minute when Obito can make it last 10minutes. All that shows the difference in chakra and control between a normal Uchiha and someone with Senju DNA

 

[AGoodBoy]

This thread is still going on with people arguing for obito..

"I am the only one who could see through hashirama's wood clones.swear I've heard this before.
Gl obi to when you don't know who's your real opponent...

 

[Strict]

@Enton, That statement was done by Jiraiya due to his lack of knowledge. Actually everyone who uses the Mangekyo Sharingan is able to control the Kyuubi. Obitos control however wasn't perfect. And it didn't take Obito much chakra to control the 5 tailed beasts, they were bound by his outer-path, like if you keep a dog on a leash. And again, not only Madaras Chakra was great enough to fight for 24 hours at his life time, as an Edo, he is supposed to have limitless Chakra. So even if he spread his already enormous chakra between 25 clones, the clones will not lose any chakra.

 

[Bogard]

This thread is still going on with people arguing for obito..

"I am the only one who could see through hashirama's wood clones.swear I've heard this before.
Gl obi to when you don't know who's your real opponent...

Doesn't need to. He didn't need to know the difference between Naruto and his clones to fodderise him. Also don't forget he has Madara's eye now

 

[Sensational]

This thread is still going on with people arguing for obito..

"I am the only one who could see through hashirama's wood clones.swear I've heard this before.
Gl obi to when you don't know who's your real opponent...

Already counter every possible wood clone argument

 

[Enton]

@Enton, That statement was done by Jiraiya due to his lack of knowledge. Actually everyone who uses the Mangekyo Sharingan is able to control the Kyuubi. Obitos control however wasn't perfect. And it didn't take Obito much chakra to control the 5 tailed beasts, they were bound by his outer-path, like if you keep a dog on a leash. And again, not only Madaras Chakra was great enough to fight for 24 hours at his life time, as an Edo, he is supposed to have limitless Chakra. So even if he spread his already enormous chakra between 25 clones, the clones will not lose any chakra.

that was information for the reader. and controlling =/= summoning. you need very high chakra levels to summon big summons; an incredible one to summon something as great as the 9 tails like when he summoned it to konoha. No, he was controlling the beasts with his sharingan and the chakra chains. you could even see the sharingan in the 5 tails' eye. so he was controlling them with his eye powers, even kakashi said this:

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its not just 'outer path'. he is having to use his eye powers. and remember he even has a transplanted rinnegan so he is suffering draining effects aswell. madara obviously has high reserves but he doesnt have hashi dna in the whole side of his body like obito. he fought for 24 hours but we dont know what he used. it mayve been a lot of sword fighting and a small bit of susano. i am not saying obito has more i'm just saying the both have alot. and lol obito doesnt need to make 25. 5 is enough. 25 is ridiculous if they all use kamui.

 

[AGoodBoy]

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Obito fights a clone, warps it, hashi sneaks behind and kills him.
No manga proof obito is a better sensor than madara.
Obi to dies before he does izanagi seals

Doesn't need to. He didn't need to know the difference between Naruto and his clones to fodderise him. Also don't forget he has Madara's eye now