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Izanagi doesnt use seals, even if he cant sense him then the moment he feels the sword touch him he goes intangible.
MS Obito in Madara's place against Hashirama
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We actually saw him fighting later with Kyubi against Hashirama during night and like i've said, the fight didn't even last long at all, but at some point you see he was exhausted:
Funny how you ignore Kyubi. TBB barrage will destroy Hashirama and his clones if he doesn't ressort quickly to Shinsusenju
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Still, Kakashi explained, if you do actions with Bunshin, any disadvantage every clone got was thrown back to the original. Obito can use Kamui for 5 minutes. Using a clone, he reduces the limit of Kamui to 2,5 minutes, use 5 clones and any of them will use Kamui for 1 minute. After the clones disappear, the usage of every clones Jutsu will be thrown back to Obito, what makes out to be that he used Kamui for 5 minutes. It's a fact stated by the Manga. Susanoo however doesn't have a limit.
Obito never made use of a Bunshin to make him use a Mangekyo technique, too. Why wouldn't he send out a Bunshin for every of them, so Naruto, Gai and Bee at the time of fighting them? He would've solo'd them without much effort. Do you go to argue with Plot that he didn't? Everyone who could use Bunshins, made use of them. But it seems Bunshins are not very suited for using complex techniques like the Mangeyo Sharingan offers, if you are not Madara, who possesses enormous Chara reserves at his life time, has an EMS, that is supposed to be a Mangekyo Sharingan without limits and has above limitless Chakra due to the Edo state.
Don't be so naive. There are always the same people to encounter when it comes to extremely hyping Minato/Nagato, or underrating Hashirama and Uchiha.
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Obito never made use of a Bunshin to make him use a Mangekyo technique, too. Why wouldn't he send out a Bunshin for every of them, so Naruto, Gai and Bee at the time of fighting them? He would've solo'd them without much effort. Do you go to argue with Plot that he didn't? Everyone who could use Bunshins, made use of them. But it seems Bunshins are not very suited for using complex techniques like the Mangeyo Sharingan offers, if you are not Madara, who possesses enormous Chara reserves at his life time, has an EMS, that is supposed to be a Mangekyo Sharingan without limits and has above limitless Chakra due to the Edo state.
Don't be so naive. There are always the same people to encounter when it comes to extremely hyping Minato/Nagato, or underrating Hashirama and Uchiha.
Bogard, Midday. Minato for Bogard, Nagato vor Midday. Lol
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So how bout that one hand?
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no, techniques lose power because the chakra gets split, they don't get shortened. kamui having a 5 minute limit isnt a chakra problem. its just part of the jutsu. so all the clones will have 5 minutes because kamui cant get 'weaker'.
...because he didnt know the jutsu. but when he fights hashirama, he can copy it with his sharingan because he has mokuton kekkei genkai. thats how sharingan works. obito has huge chakra reserves, so clones will be usable of course.
no you are just not respecting the fact that raw power is meaningless to kamui. hashirama and madara may be the strongest but it doesnt mean that they can automatically beat kamui. this isn't dbz. naruto is about matchups. someone like edo minato may put up more of a fight. it doesnt mean he's stronger than hashirama just because he may have better chances though.
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obito can perform hand seals with one hand :bouncy:
He can either do jutsu with 1 hand, or the explosion on that arm went off at the exact same time izanagi activated.
How would it make sense that he lost an arm if the jutsu requires no seals.. He'd be unscratched. Come on now.
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He lost his arm before using izanagi
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There is no and. If Obito stands infront of 20 Mokuton Bunshins that can use the originals techniques and thus spamm attacks from every direction, Obito will not beat Hashirama with his Kamui, that needs a direct body contact to absorb. Even if Obito gets near Hashirama or one of his clones, Hashirama could suddenly shoot out wooden spears out of his body. If Obito absorbs a Mokuton Bunshin on his own fault, the Bunshin could stay in his other dimension, in order to attack whenever Obito turns intangible. Why shouldn't Obito absorb a Bunshin after all? Only Madara is known to be able to see through any sort of Bunshin.
This honestly makes sense to you?
"I could go intangible and use izanagi but I'll wait till my arm is blown off before I save my ass. I'm totally sure I'll kill konan now with no resistance, so this arm is no longer useful to me. Not like I need jutsu if she were to put up a fight"
"I could go intangible and use izanagi but I'll wait till my arm is blown off before I save my ass. I'm totally sure I'll kill konan now with no resistance, so this arm is no longer useful to me. Not like I need jutsu if she were to put up a fight"
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We havent seen anyone use more than one wood clone at a time, we dont know how much strain it has on the body, the clones madara used were shadow clones.
Obito can also just phase out the group of clones
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No and thats why Obito admitted that he underestimated her. Like i said he used izanagi after he got his arm blown the hell out.
No, Madara used 25 Mokuton Bunshin. Mokuton Bunshin don't strain your body, Mokuton Bunshin are a reproduction of the users cells. It was nowhere say that one kind of Bunshin needs more Chakra than another. And Obito sending out a bunch of Bunshins? He never showed to act like that. And you don't have to say Obito didn't learn it. Making Bunshin are taught in the academy. Kagebunshins are just a higher form. So with such a knowledge and Madara as a mentor, it would be absurd that he doesn't know how to perform Kagebunshin. After all he fought enough with people who can use Bunshins.
If anyone after all the facts posted in this thread thinks; Hashirama can overpower Kamui by bruteforce, he can react fast enough to escape being sucked into Kamui dimension, Hashirama will live after Izanagi and Kamui combination, they need to seek professional help.