Madara is not a killer or evil

[Hebi Sasuke]

HOLY CRAP ON A SHITSTICK BANANA! This is exactly what i explain in the very post your replying to!!! JEEEZ! You really are slow mate!

I can't seriously take a reason 'everything is peaceful'. Of course it's peaceful when you're a robot that someone controls. It's better to live in a real world no matter how bad it is.

 

[-immortal-]

I said that hes not aiming to kill. Which is true, considering that he said "they are probably not ok". Most probably he knew they they arent dead (Sharingan / Rinnegan can see chakras), but he simply didnt care.

Still no awnser to the other reference of how he likes killin but cfailled

 

[SageOfTheTenPaths]

Nine pages of people trying to justify cold blooded mass slaughter. Nice.

Gai is commiting suicide in the next chapter, try to justify that mate!

 

[shelke]

Mass slaughter of Military. Oh, evil. Lol

 

[-Spoiler-]

I said that hes not aiming to kill. Which is true, considering that he said "they are probably not ok". Most probably he knew they they arent dead (Sharingan / Rinnegan can see chakras), but he simply didnt care.

How was he not aiming to kill? he bisected tsunade ( the only medic there) and left four fighters in the middle of the desert to bleed out the guy's a sadist, he knew it would be too easy to kill them so he left them to bleed out and suffer, similar to how sasori poisoned kankuro and left him to die instead of killing him.

 

[Turson]

Still no awnser to the other reference of how he likes killin but cfailled

I dont think he likes killing. If he did, he would finish off the Kages. I think the lifes of others are just meaningless to him.

 

[~Sky~]

Gai is commiting suicide in the next chapter, try to justify that mate!

Don't know what this is supposed to prove.

Mass slaughter of Military. Oh, evil. Lol

And this makes no sense, but I could be out of context because I'm not bothered to read people's justifications of mass murder by playing Devil's Advocate with the weak, as if that makes it any more right.

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

At least Madara confronts his ideology honestly. Unlike these villages, who wage wars, carry out espionage, and negotiate with acknowledged terrorists just in order to maintain foreign supremacy. The whole village system was corrupt to begin with; all this peace talk was always eventually going to be met with bloodshed. The so called balancing of the Bijuu was probably the dumbest thing I've ever seen. All it did was make them desire more power and they end up playing tug of war for the Bijuu. As for Madara's plans and being a killer -- he is undoubtedly the latter. He's killed many a person, but so have the villages for decades. He's just a guy who has good intentions with unorthodox methods. At the end of the day, murder is murder. Justify it how you will.

 

[SageOfTheTenPaths]

How was he not aiming to kill? he bisected tsunade ( the only medic there) and left four fighters in the middle of the desert to bleed out the guy's a sadist, he knew it would be too easy to kill them so he left them to bleed out and suffer, similar to how sasori poisoned kankuro and left him to die instead of killing him.

Oh, and what kind of amazingly evil man tries to tell Tsunade that she should not enter this fight, cuz she will die. So now he is even warning and trying to save her life, and after he said this Tsunade attacks him..... Who's the villains now?

 

[-Spoiler-]

Oh, and what kid of amazingly evil man tries to tell Tsunade that she should not enter this fight, cuz she will die. So now he is even warning and trying to save her life, and after he said this Tsunade attacks him..... Who's the villains now?

An arrogant one.

 

[SageOfTheTenPaths]

An arrogant one.

Yes, he's arrogant, cant blame him, he's the closest thing to a god in NV.

 

[shelke]

And this makes no sense, but I could be out of context because I'm not bothered to read people's justifications of mass murder by playing Devil's Advocate with the weak, as if that makes it any more right.

It is not justification but common sense, given that it's a freaking battle-field and all present Ninjas are a part of elaborate Military Setups. None of them are civilians. To call killings over a battle-field where two opposing sides are fighting Mass-Slaughter just because Lady Luck is smiling down on Madara and favours him the battle is pointless.

As I said before:

When the Bijuu were distributed, it was expected to quell the differences but it only escalated them. The three wars over National supremacy aren't any less evil than Madara's. Ideals are only valid, if they do not spark flames of war. It means that these Militia setups were always under the impression that their own arbitrary ethos and dogmas somehow took precedence, hence the cross-border terrorism on other Nations and even against their own people.

All these Villages felt the same. They played god on their own turf through illegal espionage activities, eliminating Ninjas as they saw fit, breaking peace treaties, forming alliances with terrorists to create conflicts just so peace could never truly be achieved or else, the countries would cut back on the Military budgets - Onoki confirmed all of this. One cannot get any more insipid than this.

Madara is simply doing this on a larger scale without the added visage of diplomacy that hid the tatters of the promises these Militia leaders made to one another. Setting up an arbitrary system and forcing people to abide is no different than Eternal Tsukuyomi. All these Ninjas fought for baseless mores that only fueled conflicts even more. Calling all their actions necessary and declaring Madara equal is lopsided hypocrisy, plain and simple.

And as puts SasoriOfTheRedSaand it:

At least Madara confronts his ideology honestly. Unlike these villages, who wage wars, carry out espionage, and negotiate with acknowledged terrorists just in order to maintain foreign supremacy. The whole village system was corrupt to begin with; all this peace talk was always eventually going to be met with bloodshed. The so called balancing of the Bijuu was probably the dumbest thing I've ever seen. All it did was make them desire more power and they end up playing tug of war for the Bijuu.

I find it hilarious how no one on this forum as ever declared any Kage evil, when their entire sordid existences hinge on this term. Madara is honest about his ideals.

 

[NarutoSamaKama]

Madara is the shadow of Hashirama's light.

Sasuke is the shadow of Naruto's light.

Danzo is the shadow of Hiruzen's light.

 

[SageOfTheTenPaths]

Madara is the shadow of Hashirama's light.

Sasuke is the shadow of Naruto's light.

Danzo is the shadow of Hiruzen's light.

Hashirama is dead

Hiruzen is dead

Naruto is dying

Madara is a god

 

[Bronze]

Why has this thread continued to 10 pages?

First of all, people interpret the idea of ''peace goal'' falsely. Just because Madara's goal involves peace, does not mean he is good guy or it justify his treacherous actions throughout the whole series. Forcing someone to do something they refuse to do, is not peaceful way. Peace achievement is done through matters that are not violent. Force is violent. That being said, Madara's own goal is violent and not peaceful. Its just Madara who thinks its good, when logically its not.

Second of all, the amount of people Madara had killed is unbelievable, especially the way he had killed them or tried to kill them. I have seen throughout the whole thread, you claim he did it because its war and self defense. Well you need to understand that killing someone to ''amuse'' and have ''fun'' regards the latter evil whether you like it or not. Madara throughout the war, delayed his plan to enjoy killing the whole alliance in brutal way, such as dropping meteor, using TBB and sword. Other actions of Madara, are not based on killing, but also based on his manipulation and influence.

-Responsible for the death of Rin to have Obito join him
-Responsible for the destruction of Uzumaki clan for sake of his plan
-Responsible for Obito's madness and villain introduction
etc. Despite his actions, Madara had tried to kill Obito in order to revive himself which he said, Obito was in the end a ''pawn'' he used along with every associate for his plan. He tried to manipulate Sasuke to join him, to use him as experiment in order to power-up his eyes. Both Sasuke and Obito are descendants of Madara.

Third of all, Masashi Kishimoto had portrayed Madara as ''evil'' and ''worst danger''. So in the end of the day, the author who knows his characters more than anyone does portrays them in that manner, making Madara any more or less, a villain.

Madara = evil + brutal + cruel + final villain = Adolf Hitler of the NV.​

 

[SageOfTheTenPaths]

Why has this thread continued to 10 pages?


Madara = evl + brutal + cruel + final villain = Adolf Hitler of NV​

Cry me a river​

 

[~Sky~]

It is not justification but common sense, given that it's a freaking battle-field and all present Ninjas are a part of elaborate Military Setups. None of them are civilians. To call killings over a battle-field where two opposing sides are fighting Mass-Slaughter just because Lady Luck is smiling down on Madara and favours him the battle is pointless.

I don't understand why Madara's being justified through the pointing of fingers at the Shinobi Aliiance saying, "They asked for it," as if by some twisted logic that makes killing okay and the right thing to do.

I can equate this to the situation Sasuke was exposed to when he fought 1,000 men. They were absolutely nothing to him, and he put them all down without a single killing blow. What of Madara? He didn't show such feelings. He just killed them like they were trash.

Wether they would've done the same to him or not changes nothing about the topic at hand, that being wether Madara is evil or not.

As I said before:

That's not the topic at hand though, is it? The OP is saying that Madara isn't evil. Do you agree with that shelke? I know full well the idiocy of the Shinobi system and all the horrid things they did, and I view a lot of them in similar light as Madara, but I still think Madara's evil.

I don't feel the need to justify crime with crime.

And as puts SasoriOfTheRedSaand it:

Same story for this.

I find it hilarious how no one on this forum as ever declared any Kage evil, when their entire sordid existences hinge on this term. Madara is honest about his ideals.

But does this make Madara any less evil? I don't condone Kage's and support their actions, but I'm not going to gloss over Madara's crimes because of it.

 

[shelke]

Rin and uzumaki Clan slaughters on Madara;s bucket-list without any proof. I said it before and I'll say it again, it's war and if Military is getting mowed down to tilt the balance in Madara's favour, then so be it.

 

[Bronze]

Cry me a river

So basically, i trashed on your thread to the point where you cant counter? Sounds cool.

Rin and uzumaki Clan slaughters on Madara;s bucket-list without any proof. I said it before and I'll say it again, it's war and if Military is getting mowed down to tilt the balance in Madara's favour, then so be it.

Only if you and other people can actually look deep in the manga. Yet he enjoys killing people to ''amuse'' and have ''fun'' which you call justice? Idiotic.

 

[TrollingSage]

If Madara's goal was truely peace, why did he enjoy killing so much? Also why was he opposed to Obito casting the inifinite tsukiyomi?