Madara is not a killer or evil

[shelke]

Once again, its the government who does that. Government have too much power to do anything without caring about the weak ones. And who said government aren't good guys? Nobody unless you're an idiot.

The difference between war and Madara's portrayal as evil or not, is war are done based on self defense. Madara is fighting to enjoy himself as he crushes skulls. One is balanced, the other is evil.

I will make it simple. If i rape kids, and use the actions of those who done it to justify my action, does that mean its fine thing to do?

Your first point hardly makes sense.

The previous wars were done on basis Self-defense? Stop using your hind-quarters repository when the manga doesn't have anything to back this up. At first it was Rin and Uzumaki Clan and now this? As for enjoyment, then the contentment that brings these Shinobis in adhering to their own systems and following it through is enjoyment enough. Only a moron wouldn't be able to see the underlining factors here, and then you are prattling on about Manga depth. I find this irony in your utter lack of understanding hilarious.

Raping and war are not even remotely comparable. One is crime of sexual desire and the other is brought about by several differences. Damn, NB, just Damn.

P.s: If anyone has any other thing to say to me, then I will reply tomorrow. If the thread isn't deleted by then that is.

 

[Haizaki]

Maybe you should spare me this preachy BS. They attacked with the intent to kill and sealed their fates because the opponent was stronger. Bet they never saw that coming? Nothing evil or cruel about it.

Lmao shelke you go hard

 

[Bronze]

Your first point hardly makes sense.

The previous wars were done on basis Self-defense? Stop using your hind-quarters repository when the manga doesn't have anything to back this up. At first it was Rin and Uzumaki Clan and now this? As for enjoyment, then the contentment that brings these Shinobis in adhering to their own systems and following it through is enjoyment enough. Only a moron wouldn't be able to see the underlining factors here, and then you are prattling on about Manga depth. I find this irony in your utter lack of understanding hilarious.

Raping and war are not even remotely comparable. One is crime of sexual desire and the other is brought about by several differences. Damn, NB, just Damn.

P.s: If anyone has any other thing to say to me, then I will reply tomorrow. If the thread isn't deleted by then that is.

I never said anything about Rin and Uzumaki's destruction being an enjoyment. If you want to know their purpose, then this is the thread:

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No. The idea is how you think doing something is fine because others do it. And war still regards as ''desire''.

 

[SageOfTheTenPaths]

shelke

P.s: If anyone has any other thing to say to me, then I will reply tomorrow. If the thread isn't deleted by then that is

Shelke, we fought a valliant fight tonight. Thanks mate for a great discussion You where perfect in every reply and argument, a true forum hero in my eyes! Next time i'll have your back

 

[VangBro95]

There were around 80,000 in the SA, divided by the 5 platoons led by Gaara, Kakashi, Darui, Kitsuchi, and Mifune. Divide 80,000 by 5 and you get 16,000. So there were around 16,000 in Gaara's platoon, more or less, and Madara wiped out the majority of them in one fell swoop by the meteor. Nobody has killed more than Madara.

 

[saw2097]

Yes, correct. Sasuke was attacked, and the normal response to that is to defend yourself.

So guards shouldn't do their job when Sasuke was their to attack world leaders, they should just let a terrorist walk right on through.

Now you aren't even making sense any more at this point.

 

[blood hound]

People really need to start learning about combat. The technique that madara is using is one of the oldest, most powerful, most dangouras, and most effective in battle. It's simple... You wait for the opponent to attack and you counter attack- this would take away the ability to counter or at times block From your opponent.
He basically uses there speed,power, and momentum to his advantage.
No matter what you say madara is a bad man, not only has he killed many people but is also trying to take over the world!! I mean hello a war has happened and the ninja world is fighting. Madara is the general/president, he is pulling the strings (such as zetsu army and all).

Madara might not be all bad and evil, he is trying to save the world and achieve peace by his own right... His own vision. However hitler tried to do the same thing......... Everyone thy has tried to create peace creates chaos and destruction. Thus is the human relm....... We are made by greed, live by greed, and die by GREED

 

[Xāvî1]

He doesn't want to kill them. He wants to make them die slowly so they can suffer. Take it as example when looking at Gokage beaten.

Agreed

Ot: he is evil indeed and he wants to make the whole world his

 

[-immortal-]

So basically, i trashed on your thread to the point where you cant counter? Sounds cool.



Only if you and other people can actually look deep in the manga. Yet he enjoys killing people to ''amuse'' and have ''fun'' which you call justice? Idiotic.

and when you have done that he wont respond anymore

 

[GhostProject]

Madara is evil. He is being attacked because Madara is the instigator. If left to himself, then he binds the entire world in a genjutsu that submits everyone to HIS Will. You're right though, Madara doesn't outwardly seek to kill anyone, his goals just seeks to push them into submission.

He wishes to force upon everyone, a world where everyone's reality will be controlled to his whim. He is the very definition of evil, he seeks to strip everyone of free will, to take away their freedom all in the name of his justice.

He is not benevolent. Nobody that forces you to give up your free will, has your best interest in mind.

 

[Henchman24]

Madara is an arrogant, self absorbed, evil, people killing monster and a virgin. Manga fact.

 

[bashkim]

Sure he is pure evil. He wants to rule the world. Changing is not right vocal

 

[saw2097]

Madara is an arrogant, self absorbed, evil, people killing monster and a virgin. Manga fact.

How do you know he is a virgin? He is evil but it was never said or evidenced that he is a virgin.

 

[LUMOS ULTIMATUM]

One of the great threads I have seen. Plenty of emotion to it!

Whatever, Madara is evil! All countries can be considered the same. The only thing is that they justify their actions as steps for progress or peace but they are the same as Madara. Madara is a killer and he is twisted. The whole shinobi world is evil and twisted. I am not referring to single individuals but the countries on a whole. They have caused major wars which have been useless and which they have regretted later. I do believe these wars have cause more casualties than Madara did. The deaths of the previous wars could have been above 100000 whereas all evidence points to the fact that the total ninjas on the battlefield after madara's revival was less than 40 000.
Thereupon, I agree with shelke and the recent posts of sageoftenpaths but I believe your responses are incomplete. The true thing isn't that madara is not evil because all ninja systems have killed people. It is that the whole ninja world is twisted, a killer and evil; so, is madara. His actions can be justified but he is still corrupted like the ninja countries.

 

[shelke]

I never said anything about Rin and Uzumaki's destruction being an enjoyment. If you want to know their purpose, then this is the thread:

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No. The idea is how you think doing something is fine because others do it. And war still regards as ''desire''.

Weren't you the one who added Rin and Uzumaki Clan's death to Madara's killing list? As for enjoyment, then I already gave you a counter for that. Everyone who feels a sense of contentment is enjoying his decision to kill for his Nation. Using this point as some sort of leverage is hardly valid or appropriate as an argument.

Point still remains. The context is war, and Madara has a right to wipe out all alliance as he sees fit. The same goes for opposition. To call retorts in war evil is pure nonsense.

 

[SageOfTheTenPaths]

Agreed

Ot: he is evil indeed and he wants to make the whole world his

Where on earth did you hear that? This has nothing to do with Madara "wanting the world for himself" it's about Madara wanting to fix a broken world/system that is suffereing every day. With wars and clan killings and ancient feuds. And the only way he sees this done correct is via the most powerfull jutsu, IT.

 

[Henchman24]

How do you know he is a virgin? He is evil but it was never said or evidenced that he is a virgin.

He's definitely got his v-card. Promise ring too.

 

[romaine18]

I rarely log in to comment on anything but I was compelled to for this one.
I won't waste time going into details here so I'll just give my conclusions: The op is either a sociopath, psychopath, or a jackass.

 

[Flakez]

Ugh, this thread is still going.

 

[Ultimateone]

i can't believe people are legit trying to justify madara and his actions, let me go ahead and explain all the ways he is a murderer and is evil. first of all his plans hinge on him murdering 9 individuals. madara needs all the bijuu to complete the ten tails and resurrect the juubi, which he has already accomplished, thanks in part to obito. now when you extract bijuu from their host they die, madara knows this. so already at the onset of his plans hinge on the fact that he needs these people dead. of course he is unable to do this alone so he manipulates a teenager into becoming a psychopath and carrying on his will. so he dies and leaves said plans to manipulated teen to carry out. he then gets brought back from the dead and fights in a war. now before you people get started on the whole killing people in war is not evil crap, let me explain. normally killing another soldier is not inherently evil, but in this case it is. unlike being any other soldier serving his country, madara is the cause of the war. he is the one that spurred obito to follow his plans and those plans led to obito declaring war on the five nations. so obito may have declared war, but it was madar's will that led to it. So not only does he come back from the dead, but he then proceeds to kill thousands of people. also the village that he destroyed was never confirmed was evacuated. the only people that are shown to be in hiding the the daimyo as they are the leaders of the country, nobody else was being moved. then madara's whole plan is to put people, against their will, in a genjutsu that he controls. if he just wanted it for the sake of piece he wouldn't have cared if it was obito that cast it, but as we know he wanted to be the one who controlled it. so all that means is he means to become God of the narutoverse and it's not for piece.