Kisame vs Minato

[LuckyMan]

What in god's name are Ma and Pa going to do to Kisame, even if Minato can summon them?

Well. Ma has her tongue which she extends and wraps around Kisame, melting him with corrosive acid. Frog Sound will disable him and when disabled Samehdah is not in his hand, therefore he can't heal, and a stab to the heart or cutting his carotid artery will end his soon because he can't heal.

 

[Conspirator.]

Where are all the decapitation comments. :O

This isn't the slow ass Tsunade, but Kisame.

 

[Bantos]

This isn't the slow ass Tsunade, but Kisame.

Actually, Tsunade has better speed feats than Kisame. :|

 

[Conspirator.]

Actually, Tsunade has better speed feats than Kisame. :|

That would be sig worthy. Too bad it isn't quite as dumb as the comment in my sig..............

 

[Bantos]

That would be sig worthy. Too bad it isn't quite as dumb as the comment in my sig..............

It's a fact though.

 

[Beans2]

Well. Ma has her tongue which she extends and wraps around Kisame, melting him with corrosive acid. Frog Sound will disable him and when disabled Samehdah is not in his hand, therefore he can't heal, and a stab to the heart or cutting his carotid artery will end his soon because he can't heal.

It will take Minato a long time though to summon the two...he will have to keep his hands clasped together for a while. Not to mention Ma and Pa's genjutsu has a start-up time. Even if Kisame does get caught in genjutsu, Samehada will break him out. Kisame merged with Samehada is a sensor and he is fast underwater, so he will be able to dodge or avoid Ma or Pa's tongue. Frog Song won't disable Samehada since Samehada has no ears. Kisame still heals from or absorbs any of Minato's attacks.

 

[Gold Lightning]

I never knew Kisame was immune to decapitation.

 

[Beans2]

That would be sig worthy. Too bad it isn't quite as dumb as the comment in my sig..............

She's not wrong though...Only when underwater and merged with Samehada has Kisame shown any real speed feats.

 

[Draegod]

Lake is created off bat, Kunais are now deep deep under water if minato spreads. Sharks are summoned to stalk all Kunais under water for when minato decides to ftg to any of them. Basically if lake is created, the spread Kunais plan is out the window!

So now we have bunta and clones. With lake in place and fusion, if bunta decides to use water bullets it is countered by giant shark missel, thus ending bunta one could say. Rasengan is useless, and kunai slashes are tanked for the most part. So what is left to end it?

 

[Bantos]

I never knew Kisame was immune to decapitation.

We all know that's not happening.

 

[Conspirator.]

She's not wrong though...Only when underwater and merged with Samehada has Kisame shown any real speed feats.

Still faster than Tsunade...........

It's a fact though.

Not really. Not only is Kisame faster in the magna, it's further validated by the databook.

 

[LuckyMan]

It will take Minato a long time though to summon the two...he will have to keep his hands clasped together for a while. Not to mention Ma and Pa's genjutsu has a start-up time. Even if Kisame does get caught in genjutsu, Samehada will break him out. Kisame merged with Samehada is a sensor and he is fast underwater, so he will be able to dodge or avoid Ma or Pa's tongue. Frog Song won't disable Samehada since Samehada has no ears. Kisame still heals from or absorbs any of Minato's attacks.

First, the obvious reasons it took Jman to so long to summon them was to build up suspense in the manga. Also, Jman is not a perfect sage like Minato and Naruto. Jman needs MA+Pa to gather natural energy for him. He needs them to enter sage mode period. It could have been a complication with that him not being a perfect sage and it took so long to summon. I don't know if this is true but at the end of the day summoning jutsu is summoning jutsu and I see no reason to believe Minato can't just outright summon them like any other toads.

Time is all Minato has. Kisame can't hit him.

Explain to me why Shark Skin breaks him from Frog Sound, in the meantime I will go find my post I did a week ago explaining why your answer wont work.

 

[Zexion~]

@KG

People were claiming he could move the seals through water like he does through the ground....

But he can't as it would have to bypass the chakra of Kisame's already in the water

 

[LuckyMan]

Even if Kisame does get caught in genjutsu, Samehada will break him out.

Frog Song is incredibly powerful. So powerful that Nagato lost control completely of all his paths affected by it. He had to send out the final 3 because first 3 were completely incapacitated.

Genjutsu attacks the nervous system and it affects your 5 senses. A Genjutsu can't work on something with no nervous system, like a rock, a chair, or any inanimate thing. The Peins are all dead bodies. They have no nervous system, no heart beat, and are inanimate. The only reason they move is because of Nagatos black rods in all areas of their body. It allows him to control them as he pleases. Now with that said, Genjutsu attacks the nervous system, yet the Peins have none and were still affected by Frog Sound. Why? Frog Sound should have had no affect on them yet it did. Shark Skin giving Kisame chakra will not work because that is simply Chakra Dissipation. Nagato is already constantly transferring his chakra into the Peins body for them to move. If that were the case Frog Sound would not have worked on them altogether because it would have been instantly broken. Shark Skin giving him chakra won't change anything because Nagato was already giving his Peins chakra and nothing changed. The Rinnegan was helpless to Frog Sound, it is of such a high level that it can affect things with no nervous system and thats going beyond all genjutsu we know of.

 

[Gold Lightning]

We all know that's not happening.

Because you say so, seems legit.

 

[Bantos]

Because you say so, seems legit.

I'm glad we see eye to eye.

 

[Beans2]

First, the obvious reasons it took Jman to so long to summon them was to build up suspense in the manga. Also, Jman is not a perfect sage like Minato and Naruto. Jman needs MA+Pa to gather natural energy for him. He needs them to enter sage mode period. It could have been a complication with that him not being a perfect sage and it took so long to summon. I don't know if this is true but at the end of the day summoning jutsu is summoning jutsu and I see no reason to believe Minato can't just outright summon them like any other toads.

Time is all Minato has. Kisame can't hit him.

Explain to me why Shark Skin breaks him from Frog Sound, in the meantime I will go find my post I did a week ago explaining why your answer wont work.

What? I'm sorry but where did you ever get the idea that Jiraiya needs Ma and Pa to gather nature energy from him? The reason Jiraiya is called an "imperfect sage" is that he cannot control nature energy 100%, meaning he retains some froglike physical characteristics. He can still go into Sage Mode by himself perfectly fine, by remaining immobile. Jiraiya prefers to use Sage Mode with Ma and Pa because they can continuously gather nature energy for him while he is free to move. Jiraiya has a closer relationship to the toads of Mount Myoboku than Minato, there's no reason to believe Minato can insta-summon them when Jiraiya went through a ritual to do so.

Minato's sage mode is also by no means perfect. He even admitted it himself.

Lastly, Sage Mode has nothing to do with actually summoning Ma or Pa. Jiraiya entered Sage Mode AFTER summoning Ma and Pa, not before. Minato would be doing the same.

 

[KidGamer65]

@KG

People were claiming he could move the seals through water like he does through the ground....

But he can't as it would have to bypass the chakra of Kisame's already in the water

The only reason that it wouldn't work out it because he can't mark water itself. I don't see why the bold would be an issue.

 

[Kagustuchi]

I usually give the win to Minato, though this match-up is close.​

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[Beans2]

Frog Song is incredibly powerful. So powerful that Nagato lost control completely of all his paths affected by it. He had to send out the final 3 because first 3 were completely incapacitated.

Genjutsu attacks the nervous system and it affects your 5 senses. A Genjutsu can't work on something with no nervous system, like a rock, a chair, or any inanimate thing. The Peins are all dead bodies. They have no nervous system, no heart beat, and are inanimate. The only reason they move is because of Nagatos black rods in all areas of their body. It allows him to control them as he pleases. Now with that said, Genjutsu attacks the nervous system, yet the Peins have none and were still affected by Frog Sound. Why? Frog Sound should have had no affect on them yet it did. Shark Skin giving Kisame chakra will not work because that is simply Chakra Dissipation. Nagato is already constantly transferring his chakra into the Peins body for them to move. If that were the case Frog Sound would not have worked on them altogether because it would have been instantly broken. Shark Skin giving him chakra won't change anything because Nagato was already giving his Peins chakra and nothing changed. The Rinnegan was helpless to Frog Sound, it is of such a high level that it can affect things with no nervous system and thats going beyond all genjutsu we know of.

Genjutsu affects the six paths of pain like it would affect any other person. The bodies still can see, hear, smell, touch, taste etc. Your claim that "frog genjutsu is so powerful it affects something that is immune to genjutsu" makes no sense. We simply haven't seen any other genjutsu used on the six paths of Pain. That doesn't make Frog Song an ultra powerful super-genjutsu. If you think the paths of pain are immune to genjutsu, then explain how frog song affected them with an argument other than "frog song is super powerful" because that makes no sense. Tayuya's flute genjutsu almost gg'd EMS Sasuke and Edo Itachi, yet Part I Shikamaru broke out of it. Just because it worked against a stronger opponent doesn't mean it will work against a different one.

Therefore, Frog Song is just a normal genjutsu and Samehada can break Kisame out of it like he would any genjutsu.