Kisame vs Minato

[Unorthodox]

Wrong. Sealing formulas have NEVER contained or been made out of chakra in this manga, don't even know where that idea came from but nothing in the manga has ever supported it.

The God Tree only drained Minato of his chakra, meaning he couldn't teleport to Naruto. Minato never even marked Naruto, so there goes your argument.

i never said he had naruto taged mis translation of your part about minato having 0 chakra he's edo they're chakra runs infinitely ftg can teleport thing connected to the users chakra rather is from a kunai or from physical contact

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And..........

We're done as well.

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everytime you give up you post this pic just stfu and admit your wrong

Were you born stupid or what? Ma and Pa make Minatos sage mode infinite, that's the whole point of the sage toads fusing with the user. And one attack? His arm got cut off after using one attack, how does that make his sage mode useful for one attack? Not to mention that you don't know if he just deactivated his sage mode or not. Without arms minato couldn't weave signs or fight properly anymore so why would he keep his sage mode activated?

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minato cannot use it for long nor has he ever used it in a fight frog song isnt happening and even it could i have already counterd it anyways

The healing part is the only issue here. Water Clones are absolute fodder, flooding the battlefield won't stop him, and a Space Time Barrier will let him suck it in, or a toad will let him jump over it.

space time barrier is useless water floods everywhere plus he has no where to send the water because it has no outside marking bunta will land in the water when he's done jumping

 

[KidGamer65]

space time barrier is useless water floods everywhere plus he has no where to send the water because it has no outside marking bunta will land in the water when he's done jumping

That's why he can make an outside marking. He has clones, he has toads who can cross large distances with one jump. Markings are no issue here.

I was saying that Bunta jumps over the sharks, not the flood, he doesn't need to stop the flood as it can't harm him. S/T Barrier sucks in the sharks, or Bunta jumps over it.

i never said he had naruto taged mis translation of your part about minato having 0 chakra he's edo they're chakra runs infinitely ftg can teleport thing connected to the users chakra rather is from a kunai or from physical contact {x}

Then there is no point of you mentioning the Tree, cause its useless here, and no, Minato had no chakra left that would allow him to warp to Naruto, which means he didn't have enough to do it. Manga stated it.


Irrelevant. That was shown to be a separate function from teleporting things that are connected to his chakra.

 

[RicardoA]

Minato wins.

Not saying this would be the reason of his victory, but just imagine Kisame's giant shark being warped back at him Lol

 

[bobtheboober]

Why is everyone saying Minato will use sage mode? Minato even admitted to never using it while he was alive, and he was alive for over 25 years

 

[Bogard]

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minato cannot use it for long nor has he ever used it in a fight frog song isnt happening and even it could i have already counterd it anyways

Sage Mode isn't meant to last long to begin with, so saying his sage mode doesn't last long doesn't help to give us readers the definition behind the real amount of time he can maintain the mode. But he was comparing himself to better sage mode users there(Naruto or Hashirama), so saying he is bad in it at least give us the info that he can't maintain it as long as them

And the page you showed is actually a bad translation. According to the raw translated in narutoforums he said he rarely used it, not that he never used it

Kakashi: ...I'm sure that...
Kakashi: the sensei's senjutsu isn't so...
Minato: ...Honestly I'm not very good at senjutsu.
Minato: Refining the chakra takes too long time, and besides, I'm not enough good to maintain it for a long time.
Minato: I had rarely used it in an actual fight.
Minato: Furthermore, since I cannot create marks,
Minato: I think that I can't fight properly too.

 

[Unorthodox]

Not this shit again? The amount of time you can maintain Sage Mode depends on the amount of natural energy you collect in the body while mixing it with your physical and spiritual energy. Minato apparently entered Sage Mode instantly against Madara, so it's likely he didn't even get the time to collect as much natural energy as he could if he weren't in the Madara trying to steal back his rinnengan and Kyubi at any time situation. It's for that reason the FTG-Rasengan attack took the little natural energy he could collect enough for him to get back to normal mode. It's my take on it at least after reconsidering the facts

OT: Naruto with inferior shunshin to Minato blitz him before he could react. Minato will kill him start of battle or at the very least put a mark on him and kill him later

Minato has never used sm in a fight nor can he maintain it for long so all the bs your typing is thrown out of the window

Or he teleports to a Kunai on the ground, that he usually spreads. Minato isn't going to come in contact with his fodder clones so there is no issue.


The first time will be the last time, cause once he's out, he can spread markings far out of Kisame's reach.



Or....Bunta fights back and hits them with Water Bullets, and that's GG weak summoned sharks, and continues to swim the opposite direction from Minato, who is getting chased by Kisame, once Bunta gets out, Minato teleports to him. Not to mention Minato still has clones, so he can move in multiple directions.

Flooding the hole battlefeild with water followed by a water dome is to much ftg wont hit the ground they will be floating underwater kisame has no to many

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for bunta to find off plus shark swim much faster than toads anyway same goes for minato bushin once he caught in water dome their is no escape

 

[Bogard]

Minato has never used sm in a fight nor can he maintain it for long so all the bs your typing is thrown out of the window

Once again, Sage mode isn't meant to last long to begin with and you read a bad translation. Even the viz says he actually used it in battle before, only that it was rarely used by him

 

[Naoya Minato]

Why is everyone saying Minato will use sage mode? Minato even admitted to never using it while he was alive, and he was alive for over 25 years

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Viz scan claims otherwise. Also, he was alive for about 23 years. U_U

 

[KidGamer65]

Flooding the hole battlefeild with water followed by a water dome is to much ftg wont hit the ground they will be floating underwater kisame has no to many Shakrs for bunta to find off plus shark swim much faster than toads anyway same goes for minato bushin once he caught in water dome their is no escape

Flooding the battlefield doesn't mean he'll be underwater. Was Team Gai underwater when he flooded the battlefield? No. There is no issue with the flood, not when Team Gai survived it with no difficulties.

Uh, no, he doesn't. He's in a bunch water, which only makes it easier to form his Water Bullets, meaning any sharks that come after him get blown to bits. Them being faster doesn't matter when they are charging at Bunta, unless you are telling me that he can't react.

Bunta swims one way, Minato swims the other way. Kisame has to follow one of them meaning the dome moves with him. Meaning the other either Bunta or Minato gets out, either way, Minato gets out in the end.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Not this shit again? The amount of time you can maintain Sage Mode depends on the amount of natural energy you collect in the body while mixing it with your physical and spiritual energy. Minato apparently entered Sage Mode instantly against Madara, so it's likely he didn't even get the time to collect as much natural energy as he could if he weren't in the Madara trying to steal back his rinnengan and Kyubi at any time situation. It's for that reason the FTG-Rasengan attack took the little natural energy he could collect enough for him to get back to normal mode. It's my take on it at least after reconsidering the facts

OT: Naruto with inferior shunshin to Minato blitz him before he could react. Minato will kill him start of battle or at the very least put a mark on him and kill him later

Stephane Really :l? You're using a feat of Kisame in one of his worst conditions. I can do the same for Minato if you'd like U_U

 

[Bogard]

Stephane Really :l? You're using a feat of Kisame in one of his worst conditions. I can do the same for Minato if you'd like U_U

Well William, Kisame regardless of his condition couldn't even mentally react, so it shows even in better condition, it wouldn't have changed anything U_U

 

[Unorthodox]

That's why he can make an outside marking. He has clones, he has toads who can cross large distances with one jump. Markings are no issue here.

minato wont be able to run that far especially with no info on kisame abilities plus his water was as far as the eye could see

I was saying that Bunta jumps over the sharks, not the flood, he doesn't need to stop the flood as it can't harm him. S/T Barrier sucks in the sharks, or Bunta jumps over it.

the sharks simply wait for bunta to land then attack him s/t barrier is useless 1000 sharks are not just going in a staight line right into the barrier furthermore where will he send them because they'll have to come out

Then there is no point of you mentioning the Tree, cause its useless here, and no, Minato had no chakra left that would allow him to warp to Naruto, which means he didn't have enough to do it. Manga stated it.


Irrelevant. That was shown to be a separate function from teleporting things that are connected to his chakra.

its all connected to his chakra thats his only way of warping things unless you can prove other wise like i said edo cannot run out of chakra by anymeans so that was clearly mis translation

 

[Unorthodox]

Flooding the battlefield doesn't mean he'll be underwater. Was Team Gai underwater when he flooded the battlefield? No. There is no issue with the flood, not when Team Gai survived it with no difficulties.

Uh, no, he doesn't. He's in a bunch water, which only makes it easier to form his Water Bullets, meaning any sharks that come after him get blown to bits. Them being faster doesn't matter when they are charging at Bunta, unless you are telling me that he can't react.

Bunta swims one way, Minato swims the other way. Kisame has to follow one of them meaning the dome moves with him. Meaning the other either Bunta or Minato gets out, either way, Minato gets out in the end.

I wasit mentioning the flood could drown them i was saying ftg kunai & seals would be uselss. Bunta is an kisame's water dome water shark can be formed out of any watersource they attack bunta and minato from every direction and it doesnt make it easier to use water bullets because he's underwater they can still dodge them plus 500 sharks arnt going to be swimming in the same direction where his water bullets could bounce them back anyways.

Even if your scenario happens witch is insanely not likely to happen kisame still wins by outlasting his opponent

 

[KidGamer65]

minato wont be able to run that far especially with no info on kisame abilities plus his water was as far as the eye could see

This isn't even relevant anymore since the flood itself can't hurt anyone, so he doesn't need to evade it.

the sharks simply wait for bunta to land then attack him s/t barrier is useless 1000 sharks are not just going in a staight line right into the barrier furthermore where will he send them because they'll have to come out

If he jumps over and past it, the attack has missed and that the end of it. There is no "Wait for him to land". These aren't summoned sharks, they are merely a jutsu.

@bold: I don't know if you can read the manga or not, but 1000 feeding sharks is

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to go in a straight line toward its target. S/T Barrier warps it away.

its all connected to his chakra thats his only way of warping things unless you can prove other wise like i said edo cannot run out of chakra by anymeans so that was clearly mis translation

You made the claim, you prove it. The manga has stated both functions to be separate, not intertwined. Minato doesn't teleport to markings because they have his chakra. He teleports to markings because they are markings. Nothing else. Where has it been shown, stated or implied that the markings were made from chakra? Sealing Formulas aren't made of chakra.

@underlined: When something goes against your argument, you don't claim "Mistranslation" Its not a mistranslation, Edo Tensei just isn't as good as others made it seem. Infinite Chakra was already shown to be bullshit when the Edo Hokage had a clone limit while holding up the barrier.

 

[KidGamer65]

I wasit mentioning the flood could drown them i was saying ftg kunai & seals would be uselss. Bunta is an kisame's water dome water shark can be formed out of any watersource they attack bunta and minato from every direction and it doesnt make it easier because water bullets are useless under water to begin with.

Even if your scenario happens witch is insanely not likely to happen kisame still wins by outlasting his opponent

No, they wouldn't. A Marking being covered up doesn't mean that the markings lose their effectiveness.

Then Bunta fodderizes the sharks blocking his path and he keeps on swimming, granting Minato a ticket out of the Water Dome.

@bold: Lmao, not sure if serious. A WATER Jutsu is useless UNDERWATER? Lets ask Kisame?

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Oops, it seems he disagrees with you.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Well William, Kisame regardless of his condition couldn't even mentally react, so it shows even in better condition, it wouldn't have changed anything U_U

Because facing the other direction and being a skeleton makes for a healthy mental conditions. :l. He was in Samehada for a long ass time for his body to degenerate to that degree, likely scarce on sleep due to needing to spy and not having any food or water. Yeah, his mind was fresh and ready to go. He probably could of aced an AP exam u_u

 

[Akasuna]

What argument? You never countered mine to begin with. I asked you how does Kisame counter Frog Sound. You told me the battle will never get to that point but never explained why it ends as quickly as you think. One of the chief perks of Minato being Minato and what makes him so great is that he has seals place throughout the shinobi world. If Kisame uses Water Dome (like you said) he teleports to his stone monument. Now what? Great Shark Bullet? He teleports away or just teleports the whole attack itself to another area with his s/t barrier. Kisame's arsenal is non factor because he can't land an attack on Minato.

Until you prove to me Minato can't summon Ma+Pa I see no way of Kisame winning this.

By your logic, Minato wins every battle by simply leaving a clone in his place and watching from afar.

 

[Bogard]

Because facing the other direction and being a skeleton makes for a healthy mental conditions. :l. He was in Samehada for a long ass time for his body to degenerate to that degree, likely scarce on sleep due to needing to spy and not having any food or water. Yeah, his mind was fresh and ready to go. He probably could of aced an AP exam u_u

Haha nice reply. That made me laugh xD Does he really need food anyway when Samehada is there to provide him delicious food?

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[TheAncientCenturion]

Haha nice reply. That made me laugh xD Does he really need food anyway when Samehada is there to provide him delicious food?

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xD. It's likely Samehada was able to sustain his body to an extent using chakra. Because I don't see how Kisame would be an effective spy if he looks like he's malnourished. Though, that's all speculation.

 

[Haizaki]

Or he teleports to a Kunai on the ground, that he usually spreads. Minato isn't going to come in contact with his fodder clones so there is no issue.

Ok you made a good point about him evading the clones water dome.

Or....Bunta fights back and hits them with Water Bullets, and that's GG weak summoned sharks, and continues to swim the opposite direction from Minato, who is getting chased by Kisame, once Bunta gets out, Minato teleports to him. Not to mention Minato still has clones, so he can move in multiple directions.

Bro did you see how many shark kisame summoned?? More than Asakujaku. Bunta won't take them out at once. He takes some out while others would still be attacking him and he'll die. None of them can swim as fast in water. The other clones would be practically useless against the sharks in water. If Minato teleports to them, Kisame would still end up changing directions and the water dome would keep moving towards the direction in which they're trying to escape.